Mrtag Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Replied to your Pm Jonco Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 It would be an even better record if it didn't sound off centre...... have you listened to ward burton , paulette, and jimmy wallace ,one of the reasons they are rare is because some were pressed way off centre ,and too bad to distribute, but what a great sound , for the ones that came through that were playable.and a joy to dance to......... tremendous ! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pogo paul Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) It's on "The Scene Club" cd Charly 652x save £££££s Edited January 10, 2014 by pogo paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gaz thomas Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 (edited) Quite popular on the early eighties mod scene.Funnily enough Peter Daley PMS me a year ago...Kev I'm looking to sell this How much.? I say auction it.He got 600 quid for it.I hear it at stoke and pm him...which is when I got the news. He sure did sell it, I bought it off him. He is a mate and we thought it was a great price for both of us. The reason he was asking a few peeps about the price was after a night out, I asked him what happened to his copy, I couldn't believe he still had it. So I told him to give me a price and I would buy it. It is in Stunning condition and the rarer mix with the drum / bongo intro. And one of my all time fav records It wasn't a year ago tho, It was at least 2 maybe 3 years ago now Edited January 11, 2014 by gaz thomas Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Matrix read exactly the same!! The matrixes can't be the exact same on both issues. They differ in some way. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sepia Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I traded quite a few records with soul sam for the version with drum roll @ Bathgate all-nighter in the 90's...sure he was asking £250(£75 was scored out,so was maybe just getting picked up on?) but the records I traded didn't cost me more than £120(can triple that now tho,lol)...nobody I spoke to there knew it when they asked what it was. my mate then got a copy that weekend of moorer for $10 or $20,lol. then goldmine had a copy for sale a few weeks later @ £100. ended up selling mine for a £100 not long after,think was getting worried I paid to much & thot better get rid,then price started to rise to £400+.lol. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The matrixes can't be the exact same on both issues. They differ in some way. The matrixes can't be the exact same on both issues. They differ in some way. Hi Seb, I have just sold my last copy that had the drums and backing singers last week and the rawer version as I call it I sold July/August last year!! as I recall there was no Identifying difference between the two copies!! only way was to play them!! Atb John. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Seb, I have just sold my last copy that had the drums and backing singers last week and the rawer version as I call it I sold July/August last year!! as I recall there was no Identifying difference between the two copies!! only way was to play them!! Atb John. The stampers for the two issues were made from two different "mothers". There simply must be some difference, if not in the numbers/etchings then at least the amount of turns or width/space between the last groove and the label will differ between the two pressings. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) ive got the drum start with backing vocal version [...] it reads 174-1719 scratched in the run out groove Does the matrix have a '1' after the 1719 ? No number 1 after the matrix number Julian Looks like mine's the unwanted version as the matrices quoted by me are on my copy. The matrix numbers scrated in the run of has the -1 after them [...] mine is without the drumrole. OK, I had a look at past posts in this thread and it seems like: "Drum roll intro" and double-vocal version has got matrix numbers:174-1719 NON-"drum roll intro" and single vocal version has got matrix numbers:174-1719-1 Edited January 13, 2014 by Sebastian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Bought my copy of Gerri Hall in Wigan record bar for £3 in 1977. I did not know it, but liked Donna King on the same label, so took a chance and it paid off! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John A Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Saw this end last night,as I'm sure many did, not exactly a stampede for it either https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GERRI-HALL-WHO-CAN-I-RUN-TO-HOT-LINE-905-MEGA-RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-VINYL-45-/310840291123?pt=UK_Records&hash=item485f866f33&nma=true&si=g5GIlpr1HEq96YTH5KxIIc%252BAZqk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Saw this end last night,as I'm sure many did, not exactly a stampede for it either https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GERRI-HALL-WHO-CAN-I-RUN-TO-HOT-LINE-905-MEGA-RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-VINYL-45-/310840291123?pt=UK_Records&hash=item485f866f33&nma=true&si=g5GIlpr1HEq96YTH5KxIIc%252BAZqk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 These things find their level, as I said many years ago when this topic started, the price is false and inflated, and that double track drum roll version is really poor compared to the other version. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Richard Searling lent it to me at Ashton Tiff's in around 1975.....it has been knocking about the scene for decades. He also had stuff like Difosko, Robert Tenard etc; think he was just starting to get in a bit more with Soul Bowl. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mrtag Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 OK, I had a look at past posts in this thread and it seems like: "Drum roll intro" and double-vocal version has got matrix numbers:174-1719 NON-"drum roll intro" and single vocal version has got matrix numbers:174-1719-1 Hi Seb, Sorry about that I could have sworn they both had the same matrix!! old age Eh!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gaz thomas Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 These things find their level, as I said many years ago when this topic started, the price is false and inflated, and that double track drum roll version is really poor compared to the other version. A shade off 500 quid for a VG plus copy of the more common cut, That's a great result imo. I personally disagree with your opinion of the rarer mix with drum, I think it totally changes the record for the better. To my ears. However......I really love both versions Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 A shade off 500 quid for a VG plus copy of the more common cut, That's a great result imo. I personally disagree with your opinion of the rarer mix with drum, I think it totally changes the record for the better. To my ears. However......I really love both versions The second one just lacks the 'oomph' of the other one, for me anyway Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Saw this end last night,as I'm sure many did, not exactly a stampede for it either https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GERRI-HALL-WHO-CAN-I-RUN-TO-HOT-LINE-905-MEGA-RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-VINYL-45-/310840291123?pt=UK_Records&hash=item485f866f33&nma=true&si=g5GIlpr1HEq96YTH5KxIIc%252BAZqk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Like I said earlier, this version doesn't command the same money as the other. One of which just sold on this forum for more than twice that price. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Bought my copy of Gerri Hall in Wigan record bar for £3 in 1977. I did not know it, but liked Donna King on the same label, so took a chance and it paid off! Same thing happened with a mate of mine, but he bought the Sonatas for peanuts because he liked Donna King and it was on the same label. He's still got it, mint as well. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Like I said earlier, this version doesn't command the same money as the other. One of which just sold on this forum for more than twice that price. More fool the buyer! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Gerri Hall was one of my best ever buys , Gerri , plus Soul Communicators , and Maurice Williams " Being without you " for £10 for the 3 , off John Manship , circa 1982 - 3 ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 There appears to be a lot more of the rarer take in circulation than the cheaper version IMO. A Soul Source member sold the bongo variant for a four figure sum last week sending me to You Tube to compare the two versions. I have the bongo-twin vocals version but only realised this a few months ago after several comparisons. The bongo-less version is also really good, particularly if you are familiar with Gerri singing on the Legends Of Rare Soul Volume 1 DVD. From the comments on this thread, there are plenty of copies around so the price for the 'rarer' version may be inflated as Pete suggests. So, could the bongo-less, single vocal version be the scarcest? The bongo version is marketed as the more desirable, but after this thread, I'm not convinced. Either way, the plainer version is now on the wants list scoring highly for simplicity. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I never said anything about one being rarer than the other. What I said was the bongo intro version is the one that most people want. It's definitely not a rare record (either version), but it's popularity means that people are willing to pay mucho money for it. I would say that the Sonatas is by far the rarest thing on the label, a proper rarity. The Gerri Hall, there must be hundreds. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 And to be honest....it isn't a good Northern record. It was known, but was never anything coz it wasn't up to the standard of the time! Sorry! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Saw this end last night,as I'm sure many did, not exactly a stampede for it either https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GERRI-HALL-WHO-CAN-I-RUN-TO-HOT-LINE-905-MEGA-RARE-NORTHERN-SOUL-VINYL-45-/310840291123?pt=UK_Records&hash=item485f866f33&nma=true&si=g5GIlpr1HEq96YTH5KxIIc%252BAZqk%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 If that record had been properly listed (on both eBay UK and US, with a soundclip, with some marketing on forums etc.) it would've gone much higher. It was only listed on eBay UK and didn't turn up in searches on the US site no matter how you went about it. I'm with Pete on this one, the issue that sold on eBay above is the only relevant version in my opinion but horses for courses I guess. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If that record had been properly listed (on both eBay UK and US, with a soundclip, with some marketing on forums etc.) it would've gone much higher. It was only listed on eBay UK and didn't turn up in searches on the US site no matter how you went about it. I'm with Pete on this one, the issue that sold on eBay above is the only relevant version in my opinion but horses for courses I guess. I just feel a bit sorry for people who get told that a certain version is the most sought after by a record dealers sales talk, believe it and then pay way over the odds for an inferior version when they could get the better version a lot cheaper. When people realised they got the double tracked version they usually tried to move it on as quickly as possible. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Can't agree with that Pete. I couldn't give a flying f**k what any dealer says, I have my own opinion and I much prefer the double tracked version. Once again it sounds much better when played out, and that's the reason I bought the record, to play out. The other version is probably nicer to listen to at home, but that wasn't my criteria for buying it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Can't agree with that Pete. I couldn't give a flying f**k what any dealer says, I have my own opinion and I much prefer the double tracked version. Once again it sounds much better when played out, and that's the reason I bought the record, to play out. The other version is probably nicer to listen to at home, but that wasn't my criteria for buying it. We don't have to agree mate, it's just opinions, I have the vice-versa view of yours that's all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 And to be honest....it isn't a good Northern record. It was known, but was never anything coz it wasn't up to the standard of the time! Sorry! Beg to differ. It is a very good Northern record. Big 100 Club spin before the Millennium. Like most good records eventually have their day, this one arrived later than some and at a time the scene needed an infusion of good, fresh sounds. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 No it isn't......it was a below average record back then. Nuff' said! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest gaz thomas Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 No it isn't......it was a below average record back then. Nuff' said! I happen along with many think it is a sublime mid tempo New Orleans R&B 45 I appreciate the fact that you do not like the record, But I love it as a great record. But I am not approaching the record from a 70s northern soul all-nighter point of view (That's sort of how your coming over to me anyway) I am a massive fan of R&B, Latin, Mod type stuff , So were probably fooking poles apart where taste sits Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 That's fair enough, it fits in with what you like and flicks your switches. As for m,e it is just another record that dosen't cut the gumbo! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Gerri Hall performance clip, sorry about the advert https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2f8cf_gerri-hall-who-can-i-run-to_music Edited January 16, 2014 by Pete S 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 That clip above is now available in perfect quality on the six DVD set of The Beat, that old one is off the VHS tapes circa 1996. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Gerri Hall performance clip, sorry about the advert https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2f8cf_gerri-hall-who-can-i-run-to_music Cheers Pete. This is the clip that turned many of us onto the song. It is a scintillating performance that encapsulates much of what is so good about the music we have a shared admiration for. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 No it isn't......it was a below average record back then. As Mr Flood said at his party, 'Compared To What'? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Scal Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Not one, but two poor examples! Never mind. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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