Blackpoolsoul Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Tomangoes said: Which one was married to Mary Wells? Ed https://motownjunkies.co.uk/artists/g/griffin-herman/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: https://motownjunkies.co.uk/artists/g/griffin-herman/ Herman Griffin. The one who lived in Detroit, worked at Motown, and met Mary when she was a late teen. Griffith was a D.J. in L.A., and worked for L.A. Jobete Music, and Joker Records. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Robbk said: Herman Griffin. The one who lived in Detroit, worked at Motown, and met Mary when she was a late teen. Griffith was a D.J. in L.A., and worked for L.A. Jobete Music, and Joker Records. Also known as Herman Lewis of ‘who’s kissing you tonite’ on stone blue and mercury! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dobber said: Also known as Herman Lewis of ‘who’s kissing you tonite’ on stone blue and mercury! https://www.buckeyebeat.com/hermangriffin.html 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Robbk said: Herman Griffin. The one who lived in Detroit, worked at Motown, and met Mary when she was a late teen. Griffith was a D.J. in L.A., and worked for L.A. Jobete Music, and Joker Records. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Wonder who the 2 other chaps are? I am presuming Herman is the one in the middle! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dobber said: Wonder who the 2 other chaps are? I am presuming Herman is the one in the middle! Jim Pewter, Herman Griffith, Roger Carroll Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 20/05/2020 at 10:54, Tomangoes said: Which one was married to Mary Wells? Ed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 No wonder the marriage did not last long! Ed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) Of course, Connie could be a fella. Just putting it out there..... Connie McGill & The Visions Edited May 21, 2020 by Soul-slider Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomangoes said: No wonder the marriage did not last long! Ed "Nothing you can do (apart from shoot someone) can take me away from my guy" Doesn't quite have the same ring to it 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Soul-slider said: Of course, Connie could be a fella. Just putting it out there..... Connie McGill & The Visions Nice idea His voice is somewhat different and what a tune this is (and Cheap) OOOOOWEEEEE 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Tomangoes said: No wonder the marriage did not last long! Ed Griffin shot Robert West AFTER he and Mary were divorced. He also advised Mary to leave Motown after they were divorced. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Yes I can see that 'former' husband BUT in her apartment... Like something out of POWER on Netflix.. Ed Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomangoes said: Yes I can see that 'former' husband BUT in her apartment... Like something out of POWER on Netflix.. Ed Griffin was trying to be Mary's manager (agent and advisor) again, like he had been both before, and while they were married. And, he didn't like the influence Robert West had on her, as her advisor. Griffin had advised Mary to threaten to leave Motown, unless they'd come up with a much larger contract, and pay her all the money she'd earn from them, instead of them only giving her an allowance, and "managing" it for her. Of course, Berry Gordy didn't go for that. So, she left. And now, Griffin thought, she was on the verge of becoming a mega star with 20th Century Fox, and their big media empire. Reportedly, West told Griffin to get out of Mary's life, once and for all. Apparently, that was too much for the jealous Griffin to take from West, who Griffin saw as being the only thing in his way from getting back in Mary's good graces as her advisor, and getting in on her coming gravy train. But, the jealousy clouded his mind enough to make him do something very stupid. Luckily, for him and West, he wasn't a good shot, and West recovered, and Griffin had a long career in music after that. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Timillustrator Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 15/05/2020 at 19:18, Robbk said: After listening to several Chris Clark cuts, I've changed my mind. I'm very confident that Chris and Connie were two different people. Every song sung by Chris Clark that I've played, and can remember in my head has her with a lighter, less full voice, which gets "breathy" whenever she reaches for higher notes, or at the end of extending to a longer note/ Connie, on the other hand, has a more full, and heavy voice all through her song, and her voice never gets "breathy", even when she extends for a long note, or in reaching for the high end of her range. Also, although their individual tones are fairly close as unrelated people go, they are different enough to surmise that they are different people (e.g. ALL Chris Clark's recordings reveal personal tones that are much more alike (with each other), than they are to Connie's "My Sugar Baby". So, until I hear other cuts by Connie that have her singing in a lighter, less full voice, with a tone closer to Chris', AND getting "breathy" when extending a long note, or to the high end of her range, I'll continue to feel very confident that they are/were two different people. That piqued my interest and I've been interspersing Connie Clark with Chris Clark and you can definitely hear the differences. Connie has a much more strident voice and Chris does have more of a growl/warble on certain high notes which isn't present on My Sugar Baby, could be the song of course? but I'd agree it sounds like two different people. It is so tempting with the Frank Wilson connection and same surname to associate them but I'd bet on them being totally different singers. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Saying Connie is Chris is just a lazy assumption because of the obvious connection between Frank and Chris. There never has been any basic evidence they were one and the same. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ficklefingers Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chalky said: Saying Connie is Chris is just a lazy assumption because of the obvious connection between Frank and Chris. There never has been any basic evidence they were one and the same. My hearing isn't the best, but no way do they sound even remotely familiar IMO 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Connie Clark sounds as white as the driven snow, just like Chris Clark....and like kiki Dee has that deep sultry note in the range to make you wonder... And that's how it is:) Ed 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: Connie Clark sounds as white as the driven snow, just like Chris Clark....and like kiki Dee has that deep sultry note in the range to make you wonder... And that's how it is:) Ed I agree, a blue-eyed soulstress. I've always thought that, despite obviously thinking it was Chris at first. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 On 17/05/2020 at 09:31, Chalky said: I had an automated reply so hopefully they will get back to me, think it is a "page" as well rather than personal so she should see it. Know what you mean had loads never responded to. Just had a message from Shelly saying it wasn't her Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Just an update... Suggests what everyone thought but could just be going along with fellow Motown fans' assumption. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 16 hours ago, Soul-slider said: Just an update... Suggests what everyone thought but could just be going along with fellow Motown fans' assumption. Unless he can give us a source for that info or prove it then I think he has simply assumed like many others 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Not sure if anybody actually asked Chris Clark if it was her or not, but she has been doing the weekend events on a regular basis over the last few years. Ed 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Boyle Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 On 21/05/2020 at 10:34, Dobber said: Also known as Herman Lewis of ‘who’s kissing you tonite’ on stone blue and mercury! He was also married to Gigi of the Charmaine's Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Tomangoes said: Not sure if anybody actually asked Chris Clark if it was her or not, but she has been doing the weekend events on a regular basis over the last few years. Ed I’ve sent her a message. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tomangoes Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chalky said: I’ve sent her a message. I don't think it but I hope it is..and she gets some royalties and recognition. Let be fair, this is a crown jewel tune. Ed Edited April 22, 2022 by Tomangoes Spello Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wheelsville1 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I read somewhere that Chris Clark was asked if she was Connie Clark and she said that she wasn't. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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