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From an earlier thread

TWISTED WHEEL BRAZENOSE STREET MANCHESTER

The 'old wheel' PLAY LIST and discography

Please add your memories to this list.

Blues years to RnB

 

A Walk on the Wild side - Jimmy Smith (A favourite for the Last Record of the night)

The Cat

I'm a lover not a fighter - Lazy Lester Stateside 1958

Need your love so bad - Little Willie John Charly RnB USA

Oh My Angel - Bertha Tillman

Tell Him (Go to Him Run To Him) Exiters

Fever - Little Willie John

It Hurts Me Too - Elmore James

Dust My Broom - Elmore James

Help Me - Sunny Boy Williamson PYE (Yellow RnB label)

Soulfull Dress - Sugar Pie Desanto

Boogie Woogy - John Lee Hooker

Crawlin Kingsnake

Dimples

Down home girl -Alvin Robinson

Um um um um um -Major Lance

I'm so Lost

Hit the Road Jack - Ray Charles

 

10th and VineI'll Put a Spell On You

Somethings Got A Hold On Me - Etta James

I hear Voices Screaming Jay Hawkins

I'll Put a Spell on You Nina Simone

Down in the Basement Sugar Pie Desanto

Something's got a hold on me

Trouble in Mind Dinah Washington

Willow Weep for Me

You Shook Me Muddy Waters

Mannish Boy

Rolling Stone

Hoochie Coochie Man

Got My Mojo Working

40 Days 40 Nights

Got To Get You Off My Mind

Solomon Burke

Cry To Me

A Rose in Spanish Harlem - Ben E King (Black ATLANTIC label)

I Who Have Nothing

If You Need Me

Everybody Needs Somebody To Love

Down in the Valley

In The Midnight Hour

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Your So Fine

Mercy Mercy-Wilson Picket

STAX

Green Unions - Booker T and the MG's

Behave yourself (A favourite for the Last Record of the night)

Outrage

Chinese Checkers

Hole in the Wall ( Booker T)

Last Night The MarKeys

I'll Come Running Back to You Sam Cooke

Twistin the Night Away - Sam Cooke

The Whole Worlds Shakin

Shake

Working on the Chain Gang

The Sound of My Man (Working on the chain gang) - Theola Kilgore

Night Train - James Brown

Dead End Street - Lou Rawls

The Duck Jack ie Lee

Goin out of my Head - Little Anthony and the Imperials

Gonna Fix You Good

Something's got a hold on me

Long After Tonight is all Over - Jimmy Radcliffe

A Time to Love A Time to Cry - Lou Johnson

Hey Girl -Freddie Scott

Getting Mighty Crowded - Betty Everett

Alvin Cash and the Registers/Crawlers

Ed

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22 minutes ago, Roburt said:

Much of the background info in the section of the above book on Jnr Walker's night at the Wheel seems to have been a straight 'lift' from my chapter in 'THE IN CROWD' book about my first visit to the Wheel (only went then coz the Mojo was about to / did close). The 'author' even had the cheek to use a scan of my Wheel ticket from that night (also used, but with my permission, in THE IN CROWD).

Christ, I thought it was bad enough booting vinyl, but book chapters too? 

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13 minutes ago, Joey said:

Christ, I thought it was bad enough booting vinyl, but book chapters too? 

Does he list the  stuff he borrowed in a bibliography?

If he does, then that is perfectly normal practice in reference books.

If he doesn't, then yes, it's a boot!:pirate:

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3 minutes ago, soash said:

Does he list the  stuff he borrowed in a bibliography?

If he does, then that is perfectly normal practice in reference books.

If he doesn't, then yes, it's a boot!:pirate:

No longer have my print copy, sold it years ago. Now I'm going to have to go and spend more of my sodding pension on an amazon kindle download to find out!😂

Cant believe this one hasn't been posted yet, nor the Wayne Fontana version which to me was equally as good.

 

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Just copying and pasting some stuff  from years back I posted regarding Wheel sounds, these were tunes not on compilation CDs of the wheel and I am referring to the Whitworth Street Wheel.I could also add a lot more but thats enough

When Ian Levine turned up at The Wheel I was the only guy he knew because he use to buy records from my lists mainly motown related, he didn't know a lot of stuff being played.I left then and in the last couple of months before the club closing he turned up with 3 records Hit And Run,Please Let Me In and Wingate strings Agent OO soul.

JERRY COOKE I HURT ON THE OTHER SIDE

ROBERT BANKS MIGHTY GOOD WAY

THE KELLY BROTHERS LOVE TIME

FANTASTIC FOUR I CANT STOP LOVING MY BABY

MAJOR LANCE RHYTHM

MAJOR LANCE THE MATADOR

MAJOR LANCE EVERYBODY LOVES A GOODTIME

MAJOR LANCE INVESTIGATE

MAJOR LANCE OOHPS DELILHA

EARL VAN DYKE I CANT HELP MYSELF

EARL VAN DYKE ALL FOR YOU

EARL VAN DYKE 6 X 6

THE ARTISTICS THIS HEART OF MINE

JOHN ROBERTS  I'LL FORGET YOU

THE ARTISTICS THE CHASE IS ON

THE ARTISTICS HOPE WE HAVE

WAYNE FONTANA SOMETHING KEEPS CALLING ME BACK

SPENCER DAVIS THIS HAMMER

SPENCER DAVIS TRAMPOLINE

BILLY BUTLER I CANT WORK NO LONGER

WALTER JACKSON I KEEP FORGETING / WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE

WILLIAMS /WATSON TOO LATE

JIMMY HOLIDAY THE TURNING POINT

JIMMY HOLIDAY SPRED YOUR LOVE album version

JIMMY HOLIDAY AND CLYDIE KING READY WILLING AND ABLE

PEACHES AND HERB WERE IN THIS THING TOGETHER

VALA REGAN FIREMAN

THE OJAYS WORKING ON YOUR CASE

THE OJAYS I DIG YOUR ACT

NORMAN JOHNSON OUR LOVE WILL GROW

IRMA THOMAS WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO

JACKIE WILSON SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKE YOU

JACJIE WILSON YOU CAN COUNT ON ME

JACKIE WILSON YOU BROUGHT ABOUT A CHANGE IN ME

RUFUS LUMLEY IM STANDING

GEORGE STONE HOLE IN THE WALL

THE DYNATONES HOLE IN THE WALL

THE PACKERS HOLE IN THE WALL

DOBIE GRAT SEE YOU AT THE GO GO

DOBIE GRAY OUT ON THE FLOOR

DOBIE GRAY THE IN CROWD

ROUND ROBIN KICK THAT LITTLE FOOT SALLY ANNE

THE SHARPEES DO THE 45

JOHNIE TAYLOR CHANGES

LITTLE JOHNY TAYLOR ZIG ZAG LIGHTNING

BOBBY BLAND SHOES

BOBBY BLAND THESE HANDS

BOBBY BLAND YOUR WORTH IT ALL

BOBBY BLAND POVERTY

BOBBY BLAND GOOD TIME CHARLIE

BOBBY BLAND CALL ON ME

BOBBY BLAND AINT NOYHING YOU CAN DO

BARBARA LYNN YOUR LOOSING ME

BARBARA LYNN THIS IS THE THANKS I GET

JOHNY COPELAND SUFFERIN CITY

JIMMY HUGHES NEIGBOUR NEIGBOUR

THE ADLIBS NEIGHBOUR NEIGHBOUR

THE ADLIBS BOY FROM NEW YORK CITY

EVIE SANDS PICTURE ME GONE

MADELINE BELL PICTURE ME GONE

BAND OF ANGELS INVITATION

MOOD MOSAIC TOUCH OF VELVET STING OF BRASS

RAY POLLARD THE DRIFTER

RAY POLLARD ITS A SAD THING

THE IMPRESSIONS YOU OUGHT TO BE IN HEAVEN

THE IMPRESSIONS NOTHING CAN STOP ME

THE IMPRESSIONS I CANT SATISFY

THE IMPRESSIONS MEETING OVER YONDER

THE IMPRESSIONS I LOVE YOU YEAH

THE IMPRESSIONS WOMANS GOT SOUL

THE IMPRESSIONS ITS ALLRIGHT

THE IMPRESSIONS YOU ALWAYS HURT ME

THE IMPRESSIONS SINCE I LOST THE ONE I LOVE

THE IMPRESSIONS GYPSY WOMAN 

RAY CHARLES I CHOSE TO SING THE BLUES

SAM COOKE SUGAR DUMPLING

SAM COOKE CHAIN GANG

SAM COOKE ANOTHER SATURDAY NIGHT

J BARNES REAL HIMDINGER

JJ BARNES PLEASE LET ME IN

EDWIN STARR AGENT OO SOUL

EDWIN STARR IVE GOT FAITH IN YOU

EDWIN STARR BACKSTREET

EDWIN STARR MY WEAKNESS IS YOU

BOB WILSON IF IT FEELS GOOD

SAN REMO STRINGS FESTIVAL TIME

LAURA LEE TO WIN YOUR HEART

MARLENA SHAW LETS WADE IN THE WATER

JOY LOVEYOY IN ORBIT

JACKIE WILSON DARKEST DAYS

LEON HAYWOOD BABY RECONSIDER

BOB SEEGER HEAVY MUSIC

FRANKI VALI YOURE READY NOW

BOBBY BENETT YOUR READY NOW

THE LARKS THE JERK

THE GYPSIES JERK IT

SANDY WYNS TOUCH OF VENUS

CHAIMAN OF THE BOARD GIVE ME JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME

LOS CANARIOS GET ON YOUR KNEE

ATRICIA HOLLOWAY LOVE AND DESIRE /ECTASY

REUBEN BELL HEY GIRL

JAMES CARR COMING BACK TO ME BABY

PERCY MILLEM CALL ON ME

CHUCK JACKSON GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT

THE MIRACLES GOTTA DANCE TO KEEP FROM CRYING

THE VELVELETTES THESE THINGS KEEP ME LOVING YOU

THE VELVELETTES NEEDLE IN AN HAYSTACK

THE VELVELETTES REALLY SAYING SOMETHING

THE SUPREMES LOVE IS LIKE A ITCHING IN MY HEART

TAJ MAHAL A LOT OF LOVE

ART FREEMAN SLIPPING AROUND

DEON JACKSON LOVE MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND

BEN E KING CRY NO MORE

DENISE LASELLE LOVE REPUTATION

GENE CHANDLER JUST A FOOL FOR YOU

GENE CHANDLER GOOD TIMES

THE VANTASTICS LADY LOVE

GENE CHANDLER A SONG CALLED SOUL

FRANCIS NERO KEEP ON LOVING ME

SOULFUL STRINGS BURNING SPEAR

BOBBY TAYLOR OH IVE BEEN BLESSED

BETTY LAVETTE LET ME DOWN EASY

BETTY LAVETTE ONLY YOUR LOVE CAN SAVE ME

MARY LOVE YOU TURNED MY BITTER INTO SWEET

MARY LOVE LAY THIS BURDEN DOWN

THE SPINNERS ILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU

THE SPINNERS TRULY YOURS

THE SPINNERS SWEET THING

KETTY LESTER WEST COAST

HOMER BANKS HOOKED BY LOVE

THE SPELLBINDERS HELP ME

THE SPELLBINDERS CHAIN REACTION

BETTY SWAN MAKE ME YOURS

LOU JOHNSON UNSATISFIED

WILLIE MITCHELL SECRET HOME

JACKIE DAY BEFORE ITS TO LATE

THE SAPHIRES GOT TO HAVE YOUR LOVE

THE TAMS HEY GIRL DONT BOTHER ME

BABARA MILLS QUEEN OF FOOLS

THE BLENDELLS LA LA LA LA

THE BLENDELLS DANCE WITH ME

THE CAROLLS SURRENDER YOUR LOVE

IKE AND TINA TURNER SOMEBODY UP THERE NEEDS YOU

THE JAYBIRDS SOMEBODY HELP ME

MARVIN SMITH HAVE MORE TIME

VERNON GARETT SHINE IT ON

VERNON GARRETT TUN BACK THE HANDS OF TIME

JAMES CARR LOOSING GAME

SAMMY AMBROSE WELCOME TO DREAMSVILLE

VIRGINIA WOLFS STAY

THE JAYNETTES SALLY GO ROUND

DEAN PARISH TELL HER

CHUBBY CHECKER JUST DONT KNOW

CHUBBY CHECKER CUM A LA BE STAY

GARNETT MIMMS LOOKING FOR YOU

ETTA JAMES BOBBY MCLURE DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR

CASH MCALL ITS WONDERFUL

LITTLE MILTON WHOS CHEATIN WHO

BOBBY FREEMAN THE DUCK

BOBBY FREEMAN COMON AND SWIM

CHUCK JACKSON HAND IT OVER

BOB WILSON ALL TURNED ON

BOBBY BLAND YUM YUM TREE

BOOKER T SWEET POTATO

EROL DIXSON I NEED SOMEONE TO LOVE

THE CONTOURS JUST A LITTLE MISUNDERSTANDING

THE CONTOURS FIRST I LOOK AT THE PURSE

JACKIE EDWARDS FEEL SO BAD

BETTY HARRIS 12 RED ROSES

HUMAN BEINX NOBODY BUT ME

THE RADIANTS VOICE YOUR CHOICE

THE RADIANYS AINT NO BIG THING

JACKIE WILSON SWEETEST FEELING/ NOTHING BUT BLUE SKIES

JAMES CARR FREEDOM TRAIN

IKE AND TINA DUST MY BROOM

THE IKETTES WHAT YOU GONNA DO

GOOGIE RENE SMOKIE JOES LA LA LA

THE OLYMPICS SAME OLD THING

THE OLYMPICS WE GO TOGETHER

JOHNY WYATT THIS THING CALLED LOVE

KENNY BERNARD PITY MY FEET

ISLEY BROTHERS TELL ME ITS JUST A RUMOUR BABY

GENE CHANDLER I CAN TAKE CARE OF MYSELF

HERBIE MANN PHILLY DOG

THE FORMATIONS AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS

GLORIA JONES HEARTBEAT

GLORIA JONES FINDERS KEEPERS

THE HESITATIONS YOU CANT BYPASS LOVE

BARBARA ACKLIN LOVE MAKES A WOMAN

DARRELL BANKS SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE NEEDS YOU

KIM WESTON HELPLESS

THE PLATTERS SWEET SWEET LOVING

THE INTRIGUES IN A MOMENT

HERBIE GOINS NO 1 IN YOUR HEART

WILLIAMS AND WATSON ONE GOOD REASON

JOHNY TAYLOR BLUES IN THE NIGHT

AL WILSON NOW I KNOW WHAT LOVE IS (we wouldn't play the snake)

THE ADLIBS NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING ALONE

DEE DEE SHARP WHAT KIND OF LADY

BUNNY SIGLER GIRL DONT MAKE ME WAIT

BOB BRADY MORE MORE OF YOUR LOVE

EROL DIXON THE HOOP

 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry people I was not aware the Levine was a no go subject !!

Getting back on track Joey - yes Halifax - The legendary Plebs club circa 68 (now revived by Francis OBrien) was allways a wicked night out.

The Wheel was different not only because of its never heard before playlists with tracks like The Young Brothers - Whats Your Game but also for the fashion.

The train from Halifax into Victoria was a magic site, when in those days of six button flairs many of the FAX  soulies were wearing tight jeans , suede overshirts and coloured suede Cubans !!!

The meeting point was the Crown and Anchor on the end of Deansgate before the walk to the Wheel - should have seen the looks from your everyday punters on the way down-happy days !!

There is still a guy who goes to the Wheel now who still dances in the Blue Cubans - watch this guy move.

Yes the Wheel was different.

Jonny. 

  

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8 minutes ago, HXTFC1 said:

Sorry people I was not aware the Levine was a no go subject !!

Getting back on track Joey - yes Halifax - The legendary Plebs club circa 68 (now revived by Francis OBrien) was allways a wicked night out.

The Wheel was different not only because of its never heard before playlists with tracks like The Young Brothers - Whats Your Game but also for the fashion.

The train from Halifax into Victoria was a magic site, when in those days of six button flairs many of the FAX  soulies were wearing tight jeans , suede overshirts and coloured suede Cubans !!!

The meeting point was the Crown and Anchor on the end of Deansgate before the walk to the Wheel - should have seen the looks from your everyday punters on the way down-happy days !!

There is still a guy who goes to the Wheel now who still dances in the Blue Cubans - watch this guy move.

Yes the Wheel was different.

Jonny. 

  

Ha, yeah, I got a gentle chiding for becoming involved "off topic" shall we say. We live and learn....or not, as the case may be! :-)

The times you're describing are a bit before my time unfortunately. But fascinating nonetheless, and fit in with many of the tales my elders and betters related to me when I was a young teenager. I think the fashion side of things played a big part, a very big part, for a lot of us. Myself and most of my friends eschewed the newer fashions, massive flares, loon pants, chiffon shirts and all kinds of stuff with flowers on! In fact, my fashion sense probably never changed between 71, and when I quit the scene at the end of 75. Levi sta-prest, a barathea blazer, nice shirt, a pair or Royals on my feet etc. etc. Couldn't stay that way though, as the sweat would destroy decent clothes in any 'Niter, especially the Casino for some reason. I swear I've never sweated anywhere as much as I did in that bloody place. So, a vest/singlet, and a pair of baggy, heavily modified Lee Skinner jeans were my preferred attire. Cuban heels? Bugger those! Had a pair once upon a time, and I now consider myself lucky to be able to walk normally! Hair? Never grew it 'til I left the Navy in 81. Always a suede head style for me. With, of course, the de rigeur long sidies. Oh, and a crombie when it was chilly! I think that even then, several years after the Wheel closed, it was still influencing so many of us, in so many different ways, not just via the music. 

The last time I was back in Manchester, football games not being counted, must have been nearly forty years ago, so I can't comment whether the Crown and Anchor is even still there. We never used the place, preferring Rowntrees Sounds near Victoria Station as a meeting place. 

Not much changed in the years following on from your own train journeys really. I can recall getting the train to Wigan when it opened, along with many other soulies, who all looked totally different from the crowds you'd see anywhere else on a Saturday night. I can easily imagine the looks "normal" people would have given you on the way to the Wheel. People forget just how bloody dour, puritanical, and downright conservative the north of England was back then! I remember living most of my teenage years in a world of disapproving looks from "grown-ups".

BTW, did you ever know any of the Oldham Wheel guys? Brad and Don, one tall and skinny with glasses, the other stocky with a glass eye, and big Kev Curley, red haired monster? Big friends of mine, who took me under their collective wings as a kid, and introduced me to the scene proper. 

Happy days!

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When all said and done Ian Levine did bring a lot of records into the country

I go to all the major events but last week attended a small local club in Teddington  (towards London). Unbelievably,  Ian Levine was doing a set there.

The best night I've had for months and judging by the reaction I was not alone

Paul (AKA Mod 66)

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1 hour ago, bri phill said:

Give us a break Kegsy, We had better standards some crap posted on here that I doubt was played 

I didn't say it was played Bri and i didnt say it was a good sound. I just thought it might have been as it became a bit of a collectors item not long after the Wheel shut. Which other "crap" posted on here so far do you reckon wasn't played ?. I never went to the Wheel, but went to places 68/69/70 where lads who did go dj'ed or brought records in for the dj to play. 

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I'm assuming that the UK bands who played live at The Wheel had their current and recent releases played at the All Nighters eg Chris Farlowe, The Alan Bown Set, The Action, Graham Bond, Georgie Fame and others? Dunno why but thought that Chris Farlowe's Think bw Don't Just Look At Me was played there.

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5 hours ago, HXTFC1 said:

Sorry people I was not aware the Levine was a no go subject !!

Getting back on track Joey - yes Halifax - The legendary Plebs club circa 68 (now revived by Francis OBrien) was allways a wicked night out.

The Wheel was different not only because of its never heard before playlists with tracks like The Young Brothers - Whats Your Game but also for the fashion.

The train from Halifax into Victoria was a magic site, when in those days of six button flairs many of the FAX  soulies were wearing tight jeans , suede overshirts and coloured suede Cubans !!!

The meeting point was the Crown and Anchor on the end of Deansgate before the walk to the Wheel - should have seen the looks from your everyday punters on the way down-happy days !!

There is still a guy who goes to the Wheel now who still dances in the Blue Cubans - watch this guy move.

Yes the Wheel was different.

Jonny. 

  

Are you saying that the Young brothers was played at the wheel ?? Never heard that before. But then you live and learn. Always thought that was an 80's discovery.

Dave Banks

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Back on topic. This really is an all time classic, and very much near the top of any list I could ever compile. Played all over the place "back when", and really should be today.

Eddie's vocal is sublime. Strength and emotion in equal parts. The backing track? JUST LISTEN TO IT. There are very few cover versions that ever completely eclipse the original, and I can't ever recall anyone putting the great Sam Cooke into second place, but with this number Eddie does it with ease.  This is probably the finest track issued on Stax. No mean claim, I agree, but just sit back, put on the headphones and LISTEN to the bloody thing. Then tell me I'm wrong. 

 

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2 hours ago, davebanks said:

Are you saying that the Young brothers was played at the wheel ?? Never heard that before. But then you live and learn. Always thought that was an 80's discovery.

Dave Banks

Which dj played this?

 

Never seen this on any 'wheel list' or cd.

Must have been a super rare find back then.

Ed

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Before everyone lost their way and were ' Going loco with Bernadette under the boardwalk whilst singing the Onion song!!

We had these real Motown classics

Love is like an itching in my heart  -Supremes

Why when the love has gone - Isley Brothers

To name just two.............................................

Paul (AKA Mod 66)

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5 minutes ago, Mod66 said:

Before everyone lost their way and were ' Going loco with Bernadette under the boardwalk whilst singing the Onion song!!

We had these real Motown classics

Love is like an itching in my heart  -Supremes

Why when the love has gone - Isley Brothers

To name just two.............................................

Paul (AKA Mod 66)

Oh, you're a little darling for posting that one! I mean, put yourself in my place, and you'd think that heaven must have sent you!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I get a witness to this, or am I just being a little too peculiar? Must be off, got a go-go to attend this afternoon.

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17 hours ago, Kegsy said:

I didn't say it was played Bri and i didnt say it was a good sound. I just thought it might have been as it became a bit of a collectors item not long after the Wheel shut. Which other "crap" posted on here so far do you reckon wasn't played ?. I never went to the Wheel, but went to places 68/69/70 where lads who did go dj'ed or brought records in for the dj to play. 

Lots of “ Crap “ played at a lot of venues Kegsy ... none more so than in the main room at Wigan ... but one mans junk is another mans treasure I guess .

To each his/her own 👍

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18 hours ago, Kegsy said:

I didn't say it was played Bri and i didnt say it was a good sound. I just thought it might have been as it became a bit of a collectors item not long after the Wheel shut. Which other "crap" posted on here so far do you reckon wasn't played ?. I never went to the Wheel, but went to places 68/69/70 where lads who did go dj'ed or brought records in for the dj to play. 

Without going through it all again P.J.Proby (played after the wheel and the Shirelles track spring to mind Kegsy

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9 minutes ago, tomangoes said:

So all the DJ's had records of this quality and rarity?

It must have been the beginning of the end of playing 'normal' records easy to get etc 

Ed

To be honest, I can't remember the Four Tracks being played ANYWHERE, back then. Then again, it WAS a long time ago, and the mists of time grow thicker by the day!

as far as all DJs having rare stuff that no one else had, no, not really, most of the ones I knew in 71 and early 72 had very similar boxes and playlists. Some obviously had one or two that others hadn't, but by and large 71 saw most clubs playing very similar stuff.  Later on in the middle of 72 things began to change, but very few had boxes rammed full of stuff that others didn't. Pep and Levine led the way, at the Mecca and Cats, with guys like Tony Jebb, Alan Day, and Barry Tasker also deserving an honourable mention. Many others who's names I've forgotten will also be remembered by others, I'm sure. 

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My point is exactly what I've said,  most of the Dj's then didn't have the same records for example Sandie Sheldon you"re gonna make me love you. Only a few Dj's had a copy. Also Leon haywood Baby Reconsider. Alexander Patton  A Lil lovin' sometimes.  At this time shed loads of soul sounds were breaking onto the scene and if a Dj got them he had an exclusive until someone managed to hold of a copy.All the Twisted Wheel Dj's had a collection which to a degree was unique to them and yes there were some records which they all had.I'm not sure what you mean by a "normal " record.

Regards Fred. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mr Fred said:

My point is exactly what I've said,  most of the Dj's then didn't have the same records for example Sandie Sheldon you"re gonna make me love you. Only a few Dj's had a copy. Also Leon haywood Baby Reconsider. Alexander Patton  A Lil lovin' sometimes.  At this time shed loads of soul sounds were breaking onto the scene and if a Dj got them he had an exclusive until someone managed to hold of a copy.All the Twisted Wheel Dj's had a collection which to a degree was unique to them and yes there were some records which they all had.I'm not sure what you mean by a "normal " record.

Regards Fred. 

 

 

Hiya Fred,

I may be being presumptuous, but I think he may mean one that had been on general release at some point in the UK, the type most of us had in our boxes/collections. Many of the ones posted on this thread I suppose. 

I owned a lot of rarer stuff, and also knew lots who had Alexander Patten, and other rare British discs, but you're right, in that I knew none who could brag about having Sandi Sheldon or Leon Heywood. Some of the stuff that became really big in the summer of 72 was like rocking horse shit  just a few months before. 

Or am I getting my years mixed up again. Damn you Durophet, I'm getting far too confused. Maybe time for a large brandy😂😂😂😂😂

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Most records listed so far could be considered normal. UK releases, Motown imports, Atlantic//Stax/etc

Perhaps had to find, but not unique.

Now we are getting US labels like Soul Power and Mandingo stated as Wheel tunes.

It must have been a big shift when that happened.

No doubt some Wheelers may not have appreciated it, as presumably between 65 and 70 they must have been able to get their hands on most of the tunes played.

I've also noted the inclusion of exclusivity, where you want to hear these new super rare records, you had to go to the event where the DJ was playing.

That must have been a throwback to when the wheel first started playing the rare and hard to get UK dance records.

You guys who lived through it from say 65 onwards were so lucky!

Ed

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10 hours ago, theothertosspot said:

Four Tracks on Mandingo

That seems like a strange record to have been played at the wheel compared to all others i think off around that era.

 

the tempo and style of the record must have made it stick out like a sore thumb.

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11 hours ago, theothertosspot said:

Four Tracks on Mandingo

Les Cokell told us he discovered the Four Tracks (it's certainly archetypal Les) - however he also said that it was when he was doing the Mecca - not when he was playing the Wheel. Dx

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A lot of rarer tracks played in 69/70 weren't easy to find at the time. Most of them became easier by 71/72 when imports started flooding in.So collectors and other DJs were able to pick the rare british stuff up on import along with the known imports and newly discovered stuff.

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11 hours ago, tomangoes said:

So all the DJ's had records of this quality and rarity?

It must have been the beginning of the end of playing 'normal' records easy to get etc 

Ed

the club also owned many records itself (until they went...let's say missing)

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Inially, you chased UK released stuff ... when those copies dried up, you bought import copies of stuff that you knew from UK release ... then postal dealers started selling (by auction) loads of US imports that hadn't gained UK release. I'd scan the lists for artists I knew, or labels I knew and buy blind, bidding low values for each ... I seem to recall the bids started as low as 2/6 (12p) ... I'd win some of em, not others ... some I won would be great (I liked all soul, fast, slow, funk, southern, Detroit, New York, LA), so it was easy for me as I had wide tastes. Others would be dross but overall, it was worth bidding in that style (I got Slow Fizz -- the Sapphires early on but never liked it much coz of the stupid lyrics, so I sold it on).

Not long after this, outlets such as Soul City and F L Moores were selling imports by the box load, I also started to get lists from a NY area vinyl warehouse where stuff on little labels started at 10c, Motown / Stax at 25c ... again I'd buy lots of stuff blind. Then around 1970, Contempo started selling loads of imports, many being US copies of in-demand club tracks ... so it was possible to get hold of 'rare stuff' (by mid 70's standards) but it was very much a hit & miss affair with you picking up a Tobi Legend, Valentinos, Spooners Crowd, Reuben Wright, Steve Mancha by chance more than design.  

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2 hours ago, dylan said:

Roburt (and all other late 60s early 70s collectors)

 

did you have a sense you were at the start of something that was going to be very special, huge and long lating at the time or did you think it was going to be short lived ?

I can't speak for Robert but we were there at a moment in time and I don't think anybody gave much thought to anything but getting some gear, getting  blocked and getting to the nighter . Although we may have considered the scene ours and special at the time. Work Monday (maybe), then all that mattered was scoring and transport to the nighter the next weekend, getting home was always an afterthought.

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Johnny Guitar Watson, Big Joe Turner, Chuck Berry, Sunny Terry, Brownie McGhee, Screaming Jay Hawkins, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, Jimmy Reed, Hubert Sumlin, Howlin Wolf, Buddy Guy, John Lee Hooker, Carl Perkins, Fred Below, Gary US Bonds, Eddie Boyd, The Chants, Charlie and Inez Foxx, Clifton James, Rev. Gary Davis, Sugar Pie Desanto, Willie Dixon, Sleepy John Estes, Hammie Nixon, Lightning Hopkins, J B Lenoir, Jerry Lee Lewis, Larry Williams, Little Walter, Lonesome Jimmy Lee, Memphis Slim, Millie Small, Otis Span, Jimmy Reed, Doctor Ross, Joe Richardson, The Shirelles, Sunny Boy Williamson, Sunnyland Slim, Roosevelt Sykes, Eddie Playboy Taylor, Big Mamma Thornton, T-Bone Walker, Walter Horton, Muddy Waters. The Rolling Stones, Tony McPhee and The Groundhogs, Alex Harvey, Johnny Cash, Duane Eddy ...

All of the above played or visited the club in the early to mid 60’s , lots more artists followed in the footsteps after,  as the music developed and grew .. it wasnt Northern Soul then ... it’s was just good and some not so good, early R&B .. but grew and grew , into what we know and love now. 

To know where we are going , it somethings helps to know where we have  come from ..

 

Keep ‘em coming :) 

 

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On ‎14‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 18:04, Kenb said:

'WHAT CAN A MAN DO' ...probably most remembered for its A-side - The ShowStoppers

Purchased My Copy Backstage At " BELE VUE " Elizabeathan  From " LADDIE BURKE " ( Lead vocalist ) He Signed The Only Piece Of Paper In My Pocket " Chess / Checker Appreciation Society - Membership Card "   He Said The Box Of Vinyl Had Just Been Picked Up From Being Pressed ?? .

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On ‎15‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 21:11, Joey said:

Sweet Jesus. Another one I'd forgotten even existed. The last time I heard "the right kind" must have been in about 71, in my local youth club. What a quality dancer. Just storming. And some people still pooh-pooh "the oldies"  saying they're totally played out. Then they rave about some tripe with a £3000 price tag that we'd probably have turned into an ashtray back in the day. The A side? I remember almost fifty years ago having a very heated debate with someone about its relative merits vis a vis the SDG version. Still prefer the latter! Can't thank you enough for posting this!👍

I Still Have my Copy ! , Both Sides Were Played - But The " Right Kind " Did Not Get As Much Reaction , After The Wheel Closed It Began To Get Some Reaction ?

I Still Like It's FEEL With That Piano Sounding Not Unlike " Choker Campbell " - Hits Of The Sixties 1965 L.p. Released On Tamla Motown .

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