The rise of the 'NEW' soulie and the soul revolution.

[Zed1]

2 minutes ago, Roburt said:

PRAY TELL ME ... how is saying PG is not soul trying to rewrite the history of this scene ??  That's a silly statement.

 

PG?...

...... and Saying Peggy March isn't a Soul record on a scene that's FULL of records that AREN'T Soul is a somewhat silly statement as well.  This Scene has always been first and foremost about the dance floor, yet some would have you believe that for the last 50 years it's only been a super Rare black music scene destroyed by those Wigan infidels and their White Pop Crap. 

 

 

[Back Street Blue]

Best I've heard was the lad who came over for a chat at the KGB in Sheffield about ten or so years back, said he didn't start going to Wigan until '83 and preferred the Highland Room to the main room.

I asked if he was there when Otis and Marvin appeared live in May '84, but he didn't go that week.

Who cares, I had a good night and went home sweatier than Daktari................. job done.

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by back street blue

[Leicester Boy]

I'm confused if someone don't like northern soul why are they bothered about what' played at NORTHERN Soul dos

[wiganpotter]

1 hour ago, Roburt said:

PRAY TELL ME ... how is saying PG is not soul trying to rewrite the history of this scene ??  That's a silly statement.

I never have been a NS fan ... my main niter eras were the 60's & 80's ... in the 60's, soul clubs played a much different mix of sounds to in the 70's .. from the 80's (& ever since) my main love has been Modern Soul, so I never really bought into Wigan era sounds (they hold zero old memories for me). BUT, I love soul; dance tempo, beat ballad, deep & slow, bluesy, gospelly, the lot ... music that exudes feeling & emotion ... so I have always sought / bought all such music ... I avoided listening to / buying many Casino era sounds as (in general) they're not for me. Doesn't mean I think they shouldn't mean sumat to YOU though.

BTW, while I'm on my soap-box, I'll put in a request ... I've got everything on this 63 R&B chart on original vinyl but I'm missing #20 ... please get in touch if you've got a spare copy ... 

 

Lol....... Has it got too be on original vinyl only.......  

 

[Steve S 60]

6 minutes ago, wiganpotter said:

Lol....... Has it got too be on original vinyl only.......  

 

Aboriginal Vinyl Only.

[Back Street Blue]

1 minute ago, Steve S 60 said:

Aboriginal Vinyl Only.

..........makes my Billy boil

[Guest Spain pete]

What ever takes my Fancy , hope that doesn't make me a bad person   ?. oh and KTF

[Geeselad]

5 hours ago, WoodButcher said:

Been biting my tongue too long ...  Peggy March is as bad a pop tune today as it was when I first heard it 37 years ago , thought it was shite then and think it's shite now ... sorry if that offends the old-timers but it's just my opinion ... glad I started my journey "on the scene" just as the backlash against this purile lazy pop drivel started and the 'new guard' started digging a bit deeper for the real thing ... 

Problem is that records like our peggy and miss st james are often some the most popular oldies and can fill the floor more than the quality, proper rare oldies i grew up with, and thus have come to define what the scene is for many. Now that is shite! Even  shitter than peggy march. 

[Leicester Boy]

4 hours ago, geeselad said:

Problem is that records like our peggy and miss st james are often some the most popular oldies and can fill the floor more than the quality, proper rare oldies i grew up with, and thus have come to define what the scene is for many. Now that is shite! Even  shitter than peggy march. 

Voting with their feet maybe.

[Roburt]

As I keep saying ... dance to it if you must ... call it NORTHERN if you have to ... BUT please don't attach the term SOUL to this awful pop pap.

[Roburt]

13 hours ago, Leicester boy said:

I'm confused if someone don't like northern soul why are they bothered about what' played at NORTHERN Soul dos

I do like lots of NS tracks just not a lot of the stuff that was played under the banner @ the Casino ... I have 100's of NS records (Platters, J&B Purify, Jackie Wilson, Garnet Mimms, Linda Lyndell, Carla Thomas, Precisions, Artistics, Solomon Burke, Showstoppers, Vernon Garrett, Maxine Brown, Chuck Jackson, +++) and have attended numerous Northern Soul events (niters, weekenders, live shows, local events & more) ... but as I don't like lots of the stuff that gets spun in the NS room, I go in the modern room to hear the classy stuff that's spun there. If less soulless rubbish was played in the Northern room, I'd perhaps spend more time in there.   

[Leicester Boy]

My very final say on this is enjoy what you enjoy but let others enjoy what they enjoy to dismiss other opinions with such contempt is frankly sad.the flat earth society think there right but maybe there not.

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

I see this a lot. Some folks seem to think that 'Northern Soul' is a musical genre. With that in mind it'd be greatly appreciated by many if someone in the know would define this genre for us.

Here is a couple of records, let's compare their relative merits/lack of. One is unarguably a 'proper' soul record by an ethnic ensemble, the other does not fall into that category. Both are huge records in the canon. Both are huge favourites of mine.

 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

25 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

My very final say on this is enjoy what you enjoy but let others enjoy what they enjoy to dismiss other opinions with such contempt is frankly sad.the flat earth society think there right but maybe there not.

The original question was why do people feel the need to pour scorn on someones' choices? I wouldn't dream of doing that, if someone loves a record I don't particularly get I'll say something like 'Yeah man it's a classic' and leave it at that, everyone's happy! Again you hit the nail on the head!

 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

14 hours ago, Roburt said:

BTW, while I'm on my soap-box, I'll put in a request ... I've got everything on this 63 R&B chart on original vinyl but I'm missing #20 ... please get in touch if you've got a spare copy ... 

 

Roburt, I imagine you could get a copy pretty cheap nowadays! 

 

[Mal C]

16 hours ago, geeselad said:

Well collecting records in general is becoming more popular. 60's and 70s soul and funk are more popular than they've ever been. Cant see why the two would make collecting on this scene decline. Hopefully many will see the light and collect the thousands of magnificent records that dont fall into nto the top 500 oldies. 

Of course,  but I do think collecting vinyl will eventually decline, and I’ve mentioned 2030 in my post as a time by which that might happen. ‘Might’. !

But Honestly I don’t know it’s just conjecture isn’t it.

I still crave some in that blokes top 500.... actually because when I was younger I’d have never bought allot of them, but now I actually like my oldies collection,  I like getting them on Aussie labels, makes it a bit different...

but we don’t tell people what to buy do we?  that would wrong and very narrow minded... lol 

m

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

It's a tact and diplomacy issue, some folks simply have neither. Simply saying that something is 'shite...end of' is as if you have the casting vote, the last word, what you say goes... And that is simply not true, if you don't like it/them fair enough, but why say so as if you're word matters! That's my issue with that.

Getting back to the 'New scene' though, recently I was at an event and Bobby Garrett 'ICGA' was dropped, cleared the floor!  I think it was a matter of folks not knowing it at all. My lass has recently been getting Bobbie Smith 'Walk on into my heart' played on various radio shows and the record is being lauded and has become sought after in our circle of friends/DJs, we are astounded that these folks who supposedly have a lifetime of NS history under their belt are only just now getting to know this one. Not only that but these people are claiming to have 'discovered' it! LoL It's a huge oldie that my Mrs has loved for forty years and has turned them onto it, they then take the credit for knowing it! Can't imagine anyone with a genuine history on the NS scene not knowing it. There's a lot of bluff and fakery going on, I'm sure we've all seen examples of this. Easy to suss them out though, if they only know the sounds we get now then...

I dunno, the 'New' Soul scene eh? Great fun!

[Colnago]

2 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

The original question was why do people feel the need to pour scorn on someones' choices? I wouldn't dream of doing that, if someone loves a record I don't particularly get I'll say something like 'Yeah man it's a classic' and leave it at that, everyone's happy! Again you hit the nail on the head!

 

To be honest I thought your question was what people thought of the returnees/born agains that pretend they’ve never been away etc bull shitting.

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

1 minute ago, Colnago said:

To be honest I thought your question was what people thought of the returnees/born agains that pretend they’ve never been away etc bull shitting.

Yes that was in there as well, it kind of evolved into a 'and another thing...' thing. 

[Colnago]

Just now, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Yes that was in there as well.

 

Okee dokee

[Mal C]

1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

It's a tact and diplomacy issue, some folks simply have neither. Simply saying that something is 'shite...end of' is as if you have the casting vote, the last word, what you say goes... And that is simply not true, if you don't like it/them fair enough, but why say so as if you're word matters! That's my issue with that.

are you replying to me here Baby boy? 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

Just now, Colnago said:

Okee dokee

Regarding returnees, if they have returned then by definition they must've been around before. Unless it's people who maybe went once or twice. I have met people who are quite open about leaving the scene to go and do 'grown-up' stuff like raise a family and working, also people who have reinvented themselves as a 'Soulie' with no previous experience who are absolutely charming. It's digressed a little bit, also the issue of folks telling you you're songs of choice are rubbish as if they know better than you, that can apply to anyone.

I enjoy the 21st C scene, the young crowd are charming and some very passionate about the music, they read up and study the records and are not bound up in the fake authenticity trap because they are simply too young. The dressers up, I find great fun and add colour and diversity.

The scene has always had it's BSers and it's arrogant know it all types. Not much has changed really. The thread can just as easily be used to discuss positives as well as negatives. 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

3 minutes ago, Mal C said:

are you replying to me here Baby boy? 

No Mal it was a general comment aimed at nobody in particular. But it does align with your point 'but we don’t tell people what to buy do we?  that would wrong and very narrow minded... lol' With which I agree 100%!  

[Colnago]

2 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Regarding returnees, if they have returned then by definition they must've been around before. Unless it's people who maybe went once or twice. I have met people who are quite open about leaving the scene to go and do 'grown-up' stuff like raise a family and working, also people who have reinvented themselves as a 'Soulie' with no previous experience who are absolutely charming. It's digressed a little bit, also the issue of folks telling you you're songs of choice are rubbish as if they know better than you, that can apply to anyone.

I enjoy the 21st C scene, the young crowd are charming and some very passionate about the music, they read up and study the records and are not bound up in the fake authenticity trap because they are simply too young. The dressers up, I find great fun and add colour and diversity.

The scene has always had it's BSers and it's arrogant know it all types. Not much has changed really. The thread can just as easily be used to discuss positives as well as negatives. 

Yes I agree the returnees have obviously been around before, it’s the ones that have been absent for 30years ,plus in some cases but bullshit people who don’t know them that they’ve never left and loathe to admit it , I’ve actually no problem that they left the scene , makes no difference to me and the ones that are open about it , no problem, just can’t understand the liars. As they say “the truth will out”

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

Just now, Colnago said:

Yes I agree the returnees have obviously been around before, it’s the ones that have been absent for 30years ,plus in some cases but bullshit people who don’t know them that they’ve never left and loathe to admit it , I’ve actually no problem that they left the scene , makes no difference to me and the ones that are open about it , no problem, just can’t understand the liars. As they say “the truth will out”

I'm like a lot of 'us'... When I started shortly after WC finished I hung around with the WC crowd in my area. We went all over as you had to then because events were sparse and scattered. We had no dress code at all, we just wore whatever. I've dressed as a Punk, a Goth, a Sweaty and also just in 'normal' kind of trousers and shirt or TShirt and Jeans. Nowadays I dress a bit 'hipsters', Waiscut, maybe check shirt, jeans sometimes chinos, you get the idea, plus I have long hair like a 70s rocker, or more likely 70s soulie (think Rory Gallagher hairstyle) sometimes I slick it back into a quiff... Well the new breed wear a lot of Fred Perry, unless they are the dressing up types (fine with me). well the Fred Perry lot can be very patronising towards me, like I was born yesterday and only discovered soul music this morning (although my definition of soul music is confused in some folks eyes) because I don't wear the uniform. Truth is I never did, and that is where they show their ignorance because the scene as I knew it never had the uniform, you wore the fashion of the day or if you had a style no matter how wacky, like Punk style for example, you were accepted, it was one of the great beauties of the scene to me, as long as you weren't a dick you were ok no matter what you wore. I either laugh it off and say nothing or I might say some stuff that only someone with history would know... I'm not objecting to anyone at all, it's their attitude to others that irks sometimes. My attitude is just easy going guy, knows a little bit been around a little bit, I don't patronise anyone and often feel patronised myself and can get a bit offended by other peoples' attitudes. You live and learn though, next time a quick grunt as a greeting and avoid. Easy really it is! As long as I'm not considered a moan arse LoL, worried now I might be coming across as a moan arse myself! Haha! Nah can't see that hapnin!   

[Colnago]

52 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I'm like a lot of 'us'... When I started shortly after WC finished I hung around with the WC crowd in my area. We went all over as you had to then because events were sparse and scattered. We had no dress code at all, we just wore whatever. I've dressed as a Punk, a Goth, a Sweaty and also just in 'normal' kind of trousers and shirt or TShirt and Jeans. Nowadays I dress a bit 'hipsters', Waiscut, maybe check shirt, jeans sometimes chinos, you get the idea, plus I have long hair like a 70s rocker, or more likely 70s soulie (think Rory Gallagher hairstyle) sometimes I slick it back into a quiff... Well the new breed wear a lot of Fred Perry, unless they are the dressing up types (fine with me). well the Fred Perry lot can be very patronising towards me, like I was born yesterday and only discovered soul music this morning (although my definition of soul music is confused in some folks eyes) because I don't wear the uniform. Truth is I never did, and that is where they show their ignorance because the scene as I knew it never had the uniform, you wore the fashion of the day or if you had a style no matter how wacky, like Punk style for example, you were accepted, it was one of the great beauties of the scene to me, as long as you weren't a dick you were ok no matter what you wore. I either laugh it off and say nothing or I might say some stuff that only someone with history would know... I'm not objecting to anyone at all, it's their attitude to others that irks sometimes. My attitude is just easy going guy, knows a little bit been around a little bit, I don't patronise anyone and often feel patronised myself and can get a bit offended by other peoples' attitudes. You live and learn though, next time a quick grunt as a greeting and avoid. Easy really it is! As long as I'm not considered a moan arse LoL, worried now I might be coming across as a moan arse myself! Haha! Nah can't see that hapnin!   

not at all, although I’ve no interest in how people dress or did dress. 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

2 minutes ago, Colnago said:

not at all, although I’ve no interest in how people dress or did dress. 

I just wish the women would learn to dance in high heels, all those flat dolly shoes get me down a bit...

[Leicester Boy]

You got a high heel fetish.

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

Just now, Leicester boy said:

You got a high heel fetish.

No, I just like the way the shoe moulds around a nice slim ankle, and like a little tension in the calf muscle and thigh, oh and the way the buttocks firm up and...

Me no, I don't have any particular fetishes.

[Steve S 60]

1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I'm like a lot of 'us'... When I started shortly after WC finished I hung around with the WC crowd in my area. We went all over as you had to then because events were sparse and scattered. We had no dress code at all, we just wore whatever. I've dressed as a Punk, a Goth, a Sweaty and also just in 'normal' kind of trousers and shirt or TShirt and Jeans. Nowadays I dress a bit 'hipsters', Waiscut, maybe check shirt, jeans sometimes chinos, you get the idea, plus I have long hair like a 70s rocker, or more likely 70s soulie (think Rory Gallagher hairstyle) sometimes I slick it back into a quiff... Well the new breed wear a lot of Fred Perry, unless they are the dressing up types (fine with me). well the Fred Perry lot can be very patronising towards me, like I was born yesterday and only discovered soul music this morning (although my definition of soul music is confused in some folks eyes) because I don't wear the uniform. Truth is I never did, and that is where they show their ignorance because the scene as I knew it never had the uniform, you wore the fashion of the day or if you had a style no matter how wacky, like Punk style for example, you were accepted, it was one of the great beauties of the scene to me, as long as you weren't a dick you were ok no matter what you wore. I either laugh it off and say nothing or I might say some stuff that only someone with history would know... I'm not objecting to anyone at all, it's their attitude to others that irks sometimes. My attitude is just easy going guy, knows a little bit been around a little bit, I don't patronise anyone and often feel patronised myself and can get a bit offended by other peoples' attitudes. You live and learn though, next time a quick grunt as a greeting and avoid. Easy really it is! As long as I'm not considered a moan arse LoL, worried now I might be coming across as a moan arse myself! Haha! Nah can't see that hapnin!   

What's a "Sweaty"?

[Professorturnups]

A friend of mine dj'd at a night in Manchester recently. Soul Sam was also on the bill and referred to a singer as Holly St. Shite. I aint gonna argue with that.....

Mark C 

[Leicester Boy]

3 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

What's a "Sweaty"?

Sweaty sock _jock he used to wear a kilt!

[Professorturnups]

2 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

It's a tact and diplomacy issue, some folks simply have neither. Simply saying that something is 'shite...end of' is as if you have the casting vote, the last word, what you say goes... And that is simply not true, if you don't like it/them fair enough, but why say so as if you're word matters! That's my issue with that.

Getting back to the 'New scene' though, recently I was at an event and Bobby Garrett 'ICGA' was dropped, cleared the floor!  I think it was a matter of folks not knowing it at all. My lass has recently been getting Bobbie Smith 'Walk on into my heart' played on various radio shows and the record is being lauded and has become sought after in our circle of friends/DJs, we are astounded that these folks who supposedly have a lifetime of NS history under their belt are only just now getting to know this one. Not only that but these people are claiming to have 'discovered' it! LoL It's a huge oldie that my Mrs has loved for forty years and has turned them onto it, they then take the credit for knowing it! Can't imagine anyone with a genuine history on the NS scene not knowing it. There's a lot of bluff and fakery going on, I'm sure we've all seen examples of this. Easy to suss them out though, if they only know the sounds we get now then...

I dunno, the 'New' Soul scene eh? Great fun!

Bobbie Smith was certainly a massive sound at Leicester Oddfellows. Tht's when I first heard it, about 1984

 

[Steve S 60]

3 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

Sweaty sock _jock he used to wear a kilt!

So did a lot of punk rockers.

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

10 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

What's a "Sweaty"?

A 'Sweaty' was the title given to the 80s Rocker.

1 minute ago, Steve S 60 said:

So did a lot of punk rockers.

They did, when I was on the festival scene a lot of the Jock punks wore the kilt, the lovely rabble-rousers!

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

5 minutes ago, professorturnups said:

Bobbie Smith was certainly a massive sound at Leicester Oddfellows. Tht's when I first heard it, about 1984

 

Interesting, that's about when I first heard it, surely it's scene history goes back further than that though? Might make a thread on the record and see if we can find out more, discovery, first plays, DJs etc...

[Steve S 60]

10 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

A 'Sweaty' was the title given to the 80s Rocker.

They did, when I was on the festival scene a lot of the Jock punks wore the kilt, the lovely rabble-rousers!

What we used to call grebos in the 70s.

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

32 minutes ago, professorturnups said:

A friend of mine dj'd at a night in Manchester recently. Soul Sam was also on the bill and referred to a singer as Holly St. Shite. I aint gonna argue with that.....

Mark C 

I don't give out negative 'down votes'...

Curious to know why you need to share with us the fact you don't like 'That's not love'? Surprised at Soul Sam, maybe getting a bit embittered?

It isn't the law that you have to like it, that is down to that subjective thing we call 'taste' or the lack of, but a couple of questions if you'll indulge me? Purely in the interests of research.

1) Why you need to tell us,

and

2) Why exactly do you dislike it so much? 

 

[Guest Spain pete]

40 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

I don't give out negative 'down votes'...

Curious to know why you need to share with us the fact you don't like 'That's not love'? Surprised at Soul Sam, maybe getting a bit embittered?

It isn't the law that you have to like it, that is down to that subjective thing we call 'taste' or the lack of, but a couple of questions if you'll indulge me? Purely in the interests of research.

1) Why you need to tell us,

and

2) Why exactly do you dislike it so much? 

 

Why don't you do a poll to see how many people on this site like or dislike the said record ?.could make for interesting reading .

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

4 minutes ago, Spain pete said:

Why don't you do a poll to see how many people on this site like or dislike the said record ?.could make for interesting reading .

That isn't what I want to know. It morphed into a discussion about this particular record. My question is why do people feel the need to express a negative opinion about ANY sound?

Oh it's gone from Peggy March now to Holly St James.

I'm like why not just say positive things about records that are loved, rather than negative things to someone who loves a particular record that perhaps isn't a fave of yours? (Not yours as in yours Pete!)...

If that concept is hard to grasp I'll just leave that question and move on.

[Leicester Boy]

9 minutes ago, Spain pete said:

Why don't you do a poll to see how many people on this site like or dislike the said record ?.could make for interesting reading .

Don' matter how many people on here dislike it.it will be playing at all major n/s dos and it will fill the floor at said dos.end of story. 

[Steve S 60]

5 minutes ago, Leicester boy said:

Don' matter how many people on here dislike it.it will be playing at all major n/s dos and it will fill the floor at said dos.end of story. 

...and for those of you who can't get enough of it, it's now available as a rather splendid drinks coaster........

ll

[Guest]

The longer this thread continues, and the more twists and turns it takes, the more I thank my lucky stars that I decided against commenting. Can you imagine just how many people I'd have right royally pissed off by now?

[Middleman]

19 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

Aboriginal Vinyl Only.

Genius

[Guest Spain pete]

11 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

That isn't what I want to know. It morphed into a discussion about this particular record. My question is why do people feel the need to express a negative opinion about ANY sound?

Oh it's gone from Peggy March now to Holly St James.

I'm like why not just say positive things about records that are loved, rather than negative things to someone who loves a particular record that perhaps isn't a fave of yours? (Not yours as in yours Pete!)...

If that concept is hard to grasp I'll just leave that question and move on.

Maybe a poll, that record v's a record along the like's of ,shall we say , charlie Rich , don't tear me down , purely for soul content opinions ?.

[Guest Spain pete]

9 minutes ago, Steve S 60 said:

...and for those of you who can't get enough of it, it's now available as a rather splendid drinks coaster........

ll

Not more coasters!.

[Leicester Boy]

Don't mention Helen Shapiro some on here will need to take a trip to the doctors 

[Geeselad]

2 hours ago, Leicester boy said:

You got a high heel fetish.

Haven't we all? 

[Steve S 60]

19 minutes ago, Spain pete said:

Not more coasters!.

It's crazy, baby.

[Geeselad]

6 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

That isn't what I want to know. It morphed into a discussion about this particular record. My question is why do people feel the need to express a negative opinion about ANY sound?

Oh it's gone from Peggy March now to Holly St James.

I'm like why not just say positive things about records that are loved, rather than negative things to someone who loves a particular record that perhaps isn't a fave of yours? (Not yours as in yours Pete!)...

If that concept is hard to grasp I'll just leave that question and move on.

As i said its passion and i think a justified contempt at what some newcomers excuse for taste is. 

Edited May 1, 2018 by geeselad
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