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3 minutes ago, chalky said:

I guess for most we pine for the scene as it once was.  A fabulous place to be, with an edge a sense of trepidation and anticipation of the night to come.  It was the travelling to hear music you couldn't hear at home or on a tape you swapped, travelling to hear a certain Dj.  Dancing to these records lost in a world that took you away from the weekly pressure of life. Digging through all the records on offer form the dealers, looking at all the marking, names and credits, a real christ for knowledge in an attempt to be on the same level as your peers or to get one step ahead of the other collectors/Djs. 

Now? Everyone is obsessed with looking like a soulie, a style of fashion that was prevalent for a couple of years in the mid 70s and had disappeared by the 80s.  The dancers more interested in throwing themselves about than actually dancing.  What I said above wasn't a dig at anyone just an observation and the difference from when I first began this journey and today.  People danced to the record with the moves replicating the beat and the breaks, not anymore, a s I said they aren't dancing. I still love to watch good dancers, good footwork especially. Far too many are obsessed with the look and the fashion when the scene was never one to follow fashion, it was about the music and the friendships forged.

Record bars are virtually dead with most buying from their armchair after getting the answers to questions online rather than learning by handling the records.  No longer are tapes, well CDs swapped, hearing records you over looked.  For the vast majority it is the same few hundred records (if that) replicated on the newest CD release, titles on a dozen CDs before them and the same records they hear week in week out from the same Djs with nothing new or imaginative to offer all promoted by the same promoters week in week out who don't have the imagination to see a bigger picture and take what they can while they can (that is all the promoters virtually up and down the country not anyone in particular).  Djs who spend ridiculous amounts on not so rare records, it is all about who can spend the most rather than using some imagination for which the scene would be a better place.  Dancers who daren't go on the floor to something they haven't heard a 100 times for fear of putting a foot out of place.

There is some great youngsters out there, Jordan & Charlotte, Ethan and more.  They have the same enthusiasm we did and it isn't about looking like a soulie, they have a thirst to learn, to dig for records and to dance, many of them properly.  But they are few and far between on the nighter scene that is largely dominated by those described in the title of this topic. 

That is what I mean by the scene being a parody of what it was was,  It is a pale imitation of a great underground dance culture.

That's a fair reflection Chalky. Having said that I don't go to do's any more so the Soul Police probably think that I don't have a right to comment!

If I think back to some of the capers we got up to many people wouldn't believe it. It was a fantastic time and place for me and it could never be replicated. I did it and I'm happy that I did. 

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1 minute ago, Peter99 said:

That's a fair reflection Chalky. Having said that I don't go to do's any more so the Soul Police probably think that I don't have a right to comment!

If I think back to some of the capers we got up to many people wouldn't believe it. It was a fantastic time and place for me and it could never be replicated. I did it and I'm happy that I did. 

Everyone entitled to an opinion mate.

Some of the stories, people just look at you in disbelief :D 

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11 hours ago, Soulsides said:

It's the same with some of the 'old guard' on the majority of  scenes you'll encounter not just Northern Soul ..a tiny fraction just cant let go and move forward with the times .

The problem is this- certain people are so fanatical about the music they're into that they somehow think it belongs exclusively to them and them only...it's almost as if they recorded the tracks themselves which as a musician I find hilarious personally.

Listen, music isn't ever made by recording artists to be left to sit on a shelf unplayed or stashed away in the hands of greedy record dealers or only owned by some close minded minority ,its made and then released and meant to be all inclusive for anyone who hears and likes it.

When those notes on a record leave those grooves they belong to everyone not just to some exclusive select few in some elite imaginary club which is only ever open in the back of their own minds..

fcuk that type of attitude and ignore it ,its just utter nonsense .

I don't know anyone who thinks they own the music in the sense that you mean?

I know quite a few who do actually own it and they do share it though.

As for greedy record dealers.  Those recorded they have are out there, it is a free market and nothing to stop you, I or anyone else going out there and doing the same.  They have taken the time and effort to track down records, to find records which would otherwise be lost to the world for others to buy and enjoy. 

As for some imaginary elite club, whether you like it or not, out is an elitist scene, it always has been and always will be.  There has always been some sort of hierarchy, those at the top and then those at the bottom,, it is the same in any walk of life.  But I will say that most of those many consider to be at the top are approachable and willing to share knowledge, to talk about everyday things...at the end of the day we are really all the same just some have done that little bit, more for the scene than others but we all have that underlying love of the scene and the music.

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On 02/06/2018 at 14:11, Joey said:

Aaah, the age old question, "What is Soul"?

Buggered if I know the answer to that. Better ask Bobby Womack, or Ray Charles, or Sam Cooke !!!! 🙂 

“What is Soul”?

“Songs Of Universal Love” is my understanding 💑👩‍❤️‍👩👨‍❤️‍👨💏

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2 hours ago, Mark S said:

As an old man who started off in the early seventies may  I respectfully remind people of the rules as there seems to be some confusion .

We are exclusive , we hate the media , fit in or do one , soul snobery should be encouraged , listen to other than top 500, dont take videos at events , dont wear baggies its not 1974 , Dont play boots , Keep the faith koko and its a way of life are meaningless slogans . DILYIDID is garbage .Nobody needs dance lessons . 

Above all enjoy yourselfs

Hope that clears things up🤪

 

I’m with you bro. I’m thick as fcuk - many will vouch for that. So, what the fcuk is DILYIDID! 🤨

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9 hours ago, Mark S said:

As an old man who started off in the early seventies may  I respectfully remind people of the rules as there seems to be some confusion .

We are exclusive , we hate the media , fit in or do one , soul snobery should be encouraged , listen to other than top 500, dont take videos at events , dont wear baggies its not 1974 , Dont play boots , Keep the faith koko and its a way of life are meaningless slogans . DILYIDID is garbage .Nobody needs dance lessons . 

Above all enjoy yourselfs

Hope that clears things up🤪

 

....and no talcum powder.  It's not a creche.

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3 minutes ago, bbrich said:

I guess everyone would look back on their younger days and conclude that things are just not as good, the excitement , the unknown is no longer there. But my attitude is don't compare your life now (including attending do's..) with how it was, compare going out now with the alternatives available to a 60+ year old - the worst soul do is still better than bingo, tea dance  or whatever. I mostly go out in the south and usually just all dayers or nites (I do a few all niters up north each year) and my experience is that there are very few dressed in baggies etc... and although top500 records are played at every event they are not in the majority. I never dreamed that I would be doing what I do now at 60+ when I was 20, 30 or 40...  I am so f***ing happy when I go out and long may it last.

Excellent post! Very true, all of it! Thanks.

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What’s on my mind is this: in not so many years from now anyone that went to WC 1973 (say as a 15 yrs old) will be less and less in terms of first hand. (i think...maths is not my big point). 

I can’t believe i’m calling it a journey... but for me, my journey is a personal thing. I don’t feel the need to talk about it a lot, like badges/credentials at an interview (that would have been so funny back then, what could we have possibly compared it to). You did it and got it, or you didn’t. No hugs and kisses. That doesn’t mean i’m anti anyone who sprinkles their post with reminisce’s.  Big regret- i never saw Stafford, etc. -but love just about everything that came out. My cuppa tea.

Bearing in mind the OP ‘a youth culture left in the hands of old men’ - which old men will this be left to, by then?

Yes, hopefully, the likes of Jordan, etc, - and NS will be in safe hands. Rather than those that seek to re-engineer or re-define the cultural history.

P.S.  i instigated a private message with mod BBAML, so our previous on this is sorted.

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13 minutes ago, Kenb said:

What’s on my mind is this: in another 40 yrs anyone that went to WC 1973 (as a 15 yrs old) will be 70. (i think...maths is not my big point).

They will be 70 in 10 years time.

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28 minutes ago, geeselad said:

It scares me more that theyll try to respect  traditions really, rather then making it their own. Its shouldnt ve about rewriting history. Thats already been done. Its about adding a fresh page or even a new testament. 

Yup-I think we’re on the same page. 

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2 hours ago, geeselad said:

It scares me more that theyll try to respect  traditions really, rather then making it their own. Its shouldnt ve about rewriting history. Thats already been done. Its about adding a fresh page or even a new testament. 

Well said Geese 

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3 hours ago, Mark S said:

Not the kids fault.

" I believe that children are our future "

Notwithstanding the outfits looks like they are having fun .

Please take the "oldies" outfits off, let them dance in clothes that they are comfortable in. Other than than, the more young blood the better imho.

I need somebody to sell my records too.

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In April I attended the Jazz FM Awards Ceremony, having been asked for proposals for the best blues and best soul artists categories.

The only blues artist I could reasonably put forward was Lucky Peterson, who had an album out last year (a tribute to Jimmy Smith) and played a storming set at Sage Gateshead. He received a nomination but it was won by Robert Cray, who my brother had grudgingly suggested.

In the Soul category I had no hesitation in proposing William Bell, who played triumphant sets at the London Jazz and SummerTyne Americana Festivals - why don't Soul Fans like William Bell? - and his latest album is one of the best 'real' soul albums of recent times. My other choices were Tasha (daughter of Johnnie) Taylor as one to watch, and Angie Stone as the greatest Soul Artist of the last quarter century.

Following my review of Leroy Hutson at Camden Jazz Festival just after Christmas, my editor put a question mark next to him and I enthusiastically concurred, with two sell out gigs and a full reissue programme for 2018. He received a nomination along with Moonchild and Jordan Rakei. We received a copy of the Moonchild album in our party bags and I'm not sure what it is beyond it isn't very good. I still haven't heard Rakei, though I understand he's a white Australian, which of course has form in northern soul. He was presented to the Cheltenham Jazz Festival by Giles Peterson, the jazz end of the Funk Mafia, a collection of DJs who dominated the Black Music scene in London and the South (also Caister, Bognor Regis (where he shared a pirate radio show with Colin Curtis) and Prestatyn (when the big room was full of ravers) in the eighties and nineties but, in amongst Tower of Power, Kamasi Washington, Nigel Kennedy doing Hendrix, Christian McBride and Rob Luft, I decided to give it a miss.  

During the ceremony, one of the comperes claimed we have healthy scenes in jazz, blues and soul, illustrating how northern soul isn't the only show in town. I have a suggestion; if the contemporary DJs swap with the northern DJs and play vinyls, since we're told daily that vinyls are back, and the northern DJs start using CDs and/or computers as well, they will be able to play whatever they want, without being restricted to these fantastic vinyls collections which, for the most part, don't exist.

 

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On 07/06/2018 at 21:01, chalky said:

it is just a parody of what it once was full of people who are only interested in themselves and what they can from it and not what they can give to it

like President John F Kennedy once said think not of what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country Regards Fred 

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