Another Poll version battle.

[Hooker1951]

I'm not knocking these two recordings by Dusty and Susan they are easy listening pop tunes with a touch of soul which as Spain Pete said is relevant to the listener  how much soul they get out of it, obviously people have fond memories of a time when they heard it for the first time or a time when they were in love dancing to it ect, as regards genres NS is a massive Umbrella consisting oh many genres ie, RnB, TAMLA , POPCORN  ROCK NROLL all mean to say there are more soulful tunes to decide on a Poll that hit you right between eyes

ML

[Chalky]

26 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said:

I'm not knocking these two recordings by Dusty and Susan they are easy listening pop tunes with a touch of soul which as Spain Pete said is relevant to the listener  how much soul they get out of it, obviously people have fond memories of a time when they heard it for the first time or a time when they were in love dancing to it ect, as regards genres NS is a massive Umbrella consisting oh many genres ie, RnB, TAMLA , POPCORN  ROCK NROLL all mean to say there are more soulful tunes to decide on a Poll that hit you right between eyes

ML

Not sure why she take issue over two records being labelled pop (which they are), the scene is littered with pop records.

[jam66]

Why use pop as a pejorative term. There's belting pop records on and off the scene.

[Chalky]

15 minutes ago, jam66 said:

Why use pop as a pejorative term. There's belting pop records on and off the scene.

Depends what you think of them quality wise doesn't it, there are plenty of shite pop as well as belting

[Guest woolie mark]

Abstention for me.

A couple of pleasant pop songs.

[Guest]

"Good" versus "Shite" is a purely personal take upon a particular song/tune surely? Plenty of "Shite" soul records over the years, a well as Rock, Popcorn, R&B etc. etc. I once worked alongside a very interesting character, who, in a previous life, had been a roadie for several very well known rock acts in the latter part of the 70's. One thing he said to me has always stuck in my head. There is absolutely NO such thing as a bad record or piece of music. If, somewhere , just one person in the entire world gets enjoyment from said record, it's done its job. Its brought light and happiness to someone, which is what music is all about at the end of the day. 

When speaking about "Pop" tunes being played on the Northern scene, so what? It's never been a 100% dedicated soul scene. Just a youth movement/dance culture which happened to use a particular type of soul sound as 90% of what was played. Tell the Mods that they were enjoying "shite" when dancing to Sam the Sham, The Kinks, Small Faces, The Who, Spencer Davis Group, Wayne Fontana etc. etc. Or are we going to get back into the discussion about the Northern scene being killed off in 75 again, and what followed being a "Rare" Soul scene? As baby Boy said, it should never have been called Northern "SOUL" in the bloody first place. A complete misnomer if there ever was.

And for every Peggy March and Gary Lewis there's a Dean Parrish and a Rufus Lumley. White artists have ALWAYS been a part of this scene. More in the early days, I agree, but what would have the scene been, had we denigrated and eschewed the offerings from Rufus, Dean, Mitch Ryder, the Human Beanz, Dusty, Evie, Billy Harner and a host of others. 

Some records, by some artists, no matter their skin colour, just "fitted'. And thank Christ they did, as they gave (some of) us truly fantastic memories. White skin does not make a person a Pop artist, just as a darker pigmentation doesn't make someone a Soul artist. Johnny Mathis, Harry Belafonte, Nat King Cole, Natalie Cole. All black, not one true "soul" record between them. On the other hand, we can all come up with a list of white artists who sang soulfully. It's a non-argument.

Dusty's version is still miles better BTW

[Guest woolie mark]

1 minute ago, Joey said:

As baby Boy said, it should never have been called Northern "SOUL" in the bloody first place. 

Good point.

I’m off to listen to “Ten miles high”, which I’ve always loved.

[Chalky]

14 minutes ago, Joey said:

"Good" versus "Shite" is a purely personal take upon a particular song/tune surely? Plenty of "Shite" soul records over the years, a well as Rock, Popcorn, R&B etc. etc. I once worked alongside a very interesting character, who, in a previous life, had been a roadie for several very well known rock acts in the latter part of the 70's. One thing he said to me has always stuck in my head. There is absolutely NO such thing as a bad record or piece of music. If, somewhere , just one person in the entire world gets enjoyment from said record, it's done its job. Its brought light and happiness to someone, which is what music is all about at the end of the day. 

When speaking about "Pop" tunes being played on the Northern scene, so what? It's never been a 100% dedicated soul scene. Just a youth movement/dance culture which happened to use a particular type of soul sound as 90% of what was played. Tell the Mods that they were enjoying "shite" when dancing to Sam the Sham, The Kinks, Small Faces, The Who, Spencer Davis Group, Wayne Fontana etc. etc. Or are we going to get back into the discussion about the Northern scene being killed off in 75 again, and what followed being a "Rare" Soul scene? As baby Boy said, it should never have been called Northern "SOUL" in the bloody first place. A complete misnomer if there ever was.

And for every Peggy March and Gary Lewis there's a Dean Parrish and a Rufus Lumley. White artists have ALWAYS been a part of this scene. More in the early days, I agree, but what would have the scene been, had we denigrated and eschewed the offerings from Rufus, Dean, Mitch Ryder, the Human Beanz, Dusty, Evie, Billy Harner and a host of others. 

Some records, by some artists, no matter their skin colour, just "fitted'. And thank Christ they did, as they gave (some of) us truly fantastic memories. White skin does not make a person a Pop artist, just as a darker pigmentation doesn't make someone a Soul artist. Johnny Mathis, Harry Belafonte, Nat King Cole, Natalie Cole. All black, not one true "soul" record between them. On the other hand, we can all come up with a list of white artists who sang soulfully. It's a non-argument.

Dusty's version is still miles better BTW

But those listening to the kinks, Spencer Davis etc weren't Northern Soul, that came later when it evolved from the early mod into what Dave Godin described as Soul from the North.  Yes the mods were the roots of our scene but like everything it evolves...well not so much today but that's another argument  The scene is essentially about black music.  Many didn't like the introduction of the pop mid 70s and drifted away our found places were it wasn't so prevalent.

Northern Soul was for me the right name, at the time and I still love the term, it gives us an identity even though it has been hijacked by the d*** of late.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, chalky said:

But those listening to the kinks, Spencer Davis etc weren't Northern Soul, that came later when it evolved from the early mod into what Dave Godin described as Soul from the North.  Yes the mods were the roots of our scene but like everything it evolves...well not so much today but that's another argument  The scene is essentially about black music.  Many didn't like the introduction of the pop mid 70s and drifted away our found places were it wasn't so prevalent.

Northern Soul was for me the right name, at the time and I still love the term, it gives us an identity even though it has been hijacked by the d*** of late.

Of course it's evolved. It had to, otherwise it would have died a death before 1970. As I said, it has always been 90% black music, but also always had white artists being played. Once upon a time, prior to Wigan opening, the majority of those white sounds were, by far, quality songs/tunes, and "fitted" into what we were listening to. It was only really mid 74 when things started getting out of hand, and a few DJs at the Casino decided that as long as a tune was approaching 100mph, and had a four/four beat, it was acceptable to be played. Many of us disagreed, and that led to the exodus of long time "faces" from the scene, many of whom never returned, some of whom did.

Godin? A great journalist, but why oh why did he ever utter that f***ing term. And yeah, I know WHY he said it. It wasn't really to describe "Soul from the north", but to describe the type of soul music preferred by the kids dancing the night away in the northern clubs. A bit pedantic, I know, but a very definite difference in meaning, as I'm sure you'll agree. Basically he was saying "Give these kids the old sixties stuff, rather than the new stuff".

As I've said so many times on so many different threads on this forum, can't we just enjoy what we had, what we have, and what we may have to come in the future, rather than get all bitter and twisted with the never ending f***ing politics, snobbery, and one-upmanship which seem to have become attached to this scene? It detracts from the fun, and some of us, unlike many of you, have so very little time left on this planet to actually have "fun"!!!!

I'm off to enjoy the sunshine. We don't get enough of it up here "north of the wall" to lose even a single minute  

Enjoy the weekend everyone. Come on England!

[Guest woolie mark]

but there’s not so much politics now as there was in the 70s.....is there? 

COME ON ENGLAND!!!

[jam66]

1 hour ago, chalky said:

Depends what you think of them quality wise doesn't it, there are plenty of shite pop as well as belting

Well there just look what yer done...........could have sworn it was too broadly stated for anyone to pick to pieces.

In best Brian Johnson voice *marvelous stroke....an off drive right through cover*

[Guest]

1 hour ago, woolie mark said:

but there’s not so much politics now as there was in the 70s.....is there? 

COME ON ENGLAND!!!

Not quite true. All depends on which part of the 70's you're referring to really. Prior to Wigan opening, and to the very best of my recollections, there was very little, if any politics involved in the scene. There were few clubs, and the entire scene probably had fewer than 1000 active "members". Everyone more or less knew everyone else. The scene just wasn't big enough to sustain any major political nonsense. If there had been, then it would probably have just died. From what I can remember, it all began with the Casino vs Mecca thing, circa 74, a split in what people defined as "the soul scene", and the whole Levine thing. All of a sudden, it did get political. Very.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jam66 said:

Well there just look what yer done...........could have sworn it was too broadly stated for anyone to pick to pieces.

In best Brian Johnson voice *marvelous stroke....an off drive right through cover*

Aah, Johnners. So, so sorely missed. Could bring an entire rainbow into anyones life, no matter how long the stoppage for rain. I think I'll pop off and have a slice of cake with my cuppa.

[Guest]

On 04/07/2018 at 20:01, chalky said:

Why on earth they thought she was black is beyond me?

Black or white, why should it matter? 

It's all about the USA culture and music pedigree that made great records in the 1960's.

Africas full of black people, but they ain't got the culture that the USA had in the 50's/60's and early 70's!

Edited July 7, 2018 by Guest

[Hooker1951]

Calm down fellas its much to hot to be stressed out by a poll on good touch of soul pop sounds grab a Solero sit down and remember all the good times LoL,

ML

[Geeselad]

5 hours ago, jam66 said:

Well there just look what yer done...........could have sworn it was too broadly stated for anyone to pick to pieces.

In best Brian Johnson voice *marvelous stroke....an off drive right through cover*

Tbe geordie frontman of ac/dc?? 

Edited July 7, 2018 by geeselad

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, geeselad said:

Tbe geordie frontman of ac/dc?? 

Lol. I wondered how long it'd take. Johnston, not Johnson. But you knew that anyway, didn't you?  

[Guest]

10 hours ago, chalky said:

Not sure why she take issue over two records being labelled pop (which they are), the scene is littered with pop records.

Pop is short for popular.  Most of these records never made the charts, so can hardly be termed pop(ular).

If you don't like a record, don't like it. But other people have a right to like it, without being looked down on!

"What's It Gonna Be" was written by Jerry Ragavoy and Shuman who wrote some brilliant records for black artists.

It was produced by the legendary Paul Robinson. Susan Barratt, although not black, gives a great powerful soul delivery of this song!

 

 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Guest

[Chalky]

2 hours ago, solidsoul said:

Pop is short for popular.  Most of these records never made the charts, so can hardly be termed pop(ular).

If you don't like a record, don't like it. But other people have a right to like it, without being looked down on!

"What's It Gonna Be" was written by Jerry Ragavoy and Shuman who wrote some brilliant records for black artists.

It was produced by the legendary Paul Robinson. Susan Barratt, although not black, gives a great powerful soul delivery of this song!

 

 

Who is looking down on anyone. Merely giving an opinion like anyone else. After all that is what a forum is for. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by chalky

[Tomangoes]

Back in the day...

Not many 14 year olds were political or opionated...

They just danced danced danced..

Ignorance can be bliss!

Ed

[jam66]

14 hours ago, geeselad said:

Tbe geordie frontman of ac/dc?? 

 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

OK Finishing this topic later, it's been a week now, an interesting one again, one of those divisive records that can't be categorised as fully 'Soul' yet were huge dancefloor anthems.

Plenty of suggestions here for Mike's long-running series.

Thanks all, 145 votes and DS just takes it by around 3%. 

[Steve S 60]

59 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

OK Finishing this topic later, it's been a week now, an interesting one again, one of those divisive records that can't be categorised as fully 'Soul' yet were huge dancefloor anthems.

Plenty of suggestions here for Mike's long-running series.

Thanks all, 145 votes and DS just takes it by around 3%. 

Very close indeed.  So, is it a case of Dusty means Dusty, or will there be a second referendum?

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

Just now, Steve S 60 said:

Very close indeed.  So, is it a case of Dusty means Dusty, or will there be a second referendum?

No there will be no rerun of voting, just me now begging if I can keep my Susan Barrett record.

[Mike]

1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

OK Finishing this topic later, it's been a week now, an interesting one again, one of those divisive records that can't be categorised as fully 'Soul' yet were huge dancefloor anthems.

Plenty of suggestions here for Mike's long-running series.

Thanks all, 145 votes and DS just takes it by around 3%. 

just a quick one on the bolded bit ref suggestions

you do need to pm me the suggestions and will acknowledge if added to the list once get

has to be this way as don't always clock all replies/posts etc etc

 

[BabyBoyAndMyLass]

25 minutes ago, mike said:

just a quick one on the bolded bit ref suggestions

you do need to pm me the suggestions and will acknowledge if added to the list once get

has to be this way as don't always clock all replies/posts etc etc

 

Will do mate, I'll make a list with names and suggestions.

[Mike]

10 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Will do mate, I'll make a list with names and suggestions.

nah no need for that Simon

members just need to pm me their suggestions