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Ok, so this is roughly what happened. You or your mate/s want to go for a slash, or use a quiet corner of the venue to take some gear/ share out the gear you've scored earlier, and you would either find yourself surrounded by a bunch of guys (or two or three, depending on how many of you and your pals there were) then you would feel a sharp piece of metal poking you in the back. Generally this was followed by an offer you couldn't (or wouldn't if you had any sense) refuse, which went along the lines of "give us your fuckin' gear/money/watch and or anything else we want or we'll cut you the fuck up"

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23 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Hi, I notice you're getting a lot of negative down-votes.

It's the tone, would you mind easing up a bit on the snarky responses!

The thread you've started is going to attract a few stories of the nature you're objecting to.

Cheers.

So what? Since when has this been a cause for comment from the mods?  Anyone can "down vote", it's signifies nothing really and it's obviously open to abuse. 

I will take this to the feedback forum because I think it needs clarifying.

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1 minute ago, maslar said:

So what? Since when has this been a cause for comment from the mods?  Anyone can "down vote", it's signifies nothing really and it's obviously open to abuse. 

I will take this to the feedback forum because I think it needs clarifying.

The down votes was not the problem, the tone and the personal insults were. 

Not only that, but I'm not the moderator of this forum.

So...

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1 minute ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

The down votes was not the problem, the tone and the personal insults were. 

Not only that, but I'm not the moderator of this forum.

So...

So.. I'm a member here and making a point ok? Actually a valid point I think . So... like I said I'm commenting feedback. So......

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Just now, dogsbody said:

The "So what? Since when has this been a cause for comment from the mods". Was NOT posted by me (DOGSSBODY)

That's right

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On 21/07/2018 at 12:02, Joey said:

Not the first time the Python sketch has been used by people commenting on what life in the very early seventies was like. Still funny though. And if you were there, and lived through it, and don't recall it being f***ing grim in so, so many respects, you have a VERY selective memory indeed!

As for this, ( and many other threads), descending into slagging matches, remember......

1st rule of Soul Source:- Find your sense of humour and hang onto it for dear life.

2nd rule of Soul Source:- Someone WILL, at some point, misunderstand what you may post.

3rd rule of Soul Source:- If misunderstood, said someone WILL take umbrage with what you posted, and WILL disagree/verbally assault you.

4th rule of Soul Source:- If verbally assaulted, the assaulters mates will pile in. (up votes etc.)

5th rule of Soul Source:- Don't let it get to you. If you were there, you'll know what it was like. If you weren't, all you have to go on is hearsay.

6th rule of Soul Source:- Never forget the first five rules of Soul Source.

Cheers mate, That's probably the best piece of advice I've had in a long time. The 2nd and 3rd rules are absolutely on the money. I think the others are too, but it's hard to keep your sense of humour when dealing with this level of wilful stupidity. (Lets just misunderstand everything he says on purpose).

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1 hour ago, maslar said:

So.. I'm a member here and making a point ok? Actually a valid point I think . So... like I said I'm commenting feedback. So......

You tell 'em mate. The way some of these people carry on you'd think it was a W.I. circular!

 

53 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

As said I didn't arrive on the scene until the mid 80s, but was frequently involved in the distribution of large amounts of desirable materials.

The scenario you describe is indeed quite heavy, I never saw anything like that, also I was the youngest guy on the scene at that time, I'd have reacted badly to that which would've been clear, therefore I wouldn't have been considered a potential victim of this kind of thing. Those sort of thugs pick their victims very carefully so I probably wouldn't have come across them.

In my experience 'Hard men' don't go round in groups threatening young lads with weapons over a fiver bag. Maybe they got their comeuppance and left the scene.

I think you are picturing things a little on the skew. These guys didn't see themselves as "hard men" and they didn't just pick "young lads" as their victims. Anyone was fair game. You have to remember most people don't want  to spend the night in A&E getting their back / front / face sewn up just 'cos they didn't hand over a few measly blues or a couple of quid. They were predators who mostly used an area not too far from their home town to ply their trade. And they worked by using their reputation and,or outnumbering their  victims. When you say you wouldn't have come across them, even if you never went for a pee all night and never carried gear, chances are you would have come across them.They didn't hand out calling cards at the start of the evening!

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10 minutes ago, dogsbody said:

You tell 'em mate. The way some of these people carry on you'd think it was a W.I. circular!

 

I think you are picturing things a little on the skew. These guys didn't see themselves as "hard men" and they didn't just pick "young lads" as their victims. Anyone was fair game. You have to remember most people don't want  to spend the night in A&E getting their back / front / face sewn up just 'cos they didn't hand over a few measly blues or a couple of quid. They were predators who mostly used an area not too far from their home town to ply their trade. And they worked by using their reputation and,or outnumbering their  victims. When you say you wouldn't have come across them, even if you never went for a pee all night and never carried gear, chances are you would have come across them.They didn't hand out calling cards at the start of the evening!

I know what you mean, I'm not belittling anyone for falling victim to them.

Those kind of people do tend to reach a stage when they choose the wrong victim, when that happens it's common for them to come badly unstuck. That's all I'm saying.

I probably would've come across them yes, but not viewed them as a threat, that's all.

I think you're wrong about how they viewed themselves, I should imagine they considered themselves as 'well 'ard'.

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I recall us being hassled by a group of skinheads, late 70's whilst on our way to the Carousel Club alldayer in Longsight Manchester.

There was a few more of our group straggling behind us so we got together and weighed in and had them on their toes.

Barring that  all the trouble I came across was in the Town centre enroute to the Casino.

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Nearly everybody back in the day went in a gang/group to all nighters , I’ve absolutely no idea who the hell youre talking about and never heard of these gangstas you’re on about , but I will say, as probably quite a few on ss would agree (I think ) , if anybody did anything like that to anyone who went with us ,would have got the same back and more . Not saying nothing happened but some tales do become exaggerated over the passage of time and then some ! 

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Did anyone attend that ALL NIGHTER at Winsford civic hall in 1979 ( the first one  held there i think ?)  There had been an evening punk session beforehand , then around midnight , the soul crowd was let in without the punks ,whose evening had finished , leaving the premises.  things were edgy for about an hour then the main room exploded into a massive brawl, and  chairs , tables, glasses and anything not nailed down  being thrown across the divide . The Punks ended up in the corner of the hall and one of them managed to open the fire escape and they all got out . a great cheer whent up inside  , then shortly after , several windows were simultaneously  smashed from the outside in .  Remember Pat Brady was D.j ing at the time and Frank Elson was in attendance also  .

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1 hour ago, Colnago said:

Nearly everybody back in the day went in a gang/group to all nighters , I’ve absolutely no idea who the hell youre talking about and never heard of these gangstas you’re on about , but I will say, as probably quite a few on ss would agree (I think ) , if anybody did anything like that to anyone who went with us ,would have got the same back and more . Not saying nothing happened but some tales do become exaggerated over the passage of time and then some ! 

I know you said 'nearly everbody', so i'm probably in the minority. I never went with a group or gang. but neither was i ever bothered by anyone inside any venue. Outside a different matter.

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3 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Its not good when it hits you bro. Notts Palais niter did it for me once - did Leicester Odd Fellows on the Friday and then the Palais on the Saturday. For some odd reason I sought solace on a table version of Spece Invaders, and it really freaked me out. It was a bad, bad weekend which ended up losing my mates transit van somewhere in Nottingham and telling all the people that had filled the bus that hey would have to find their own way home - 80 mile trip back to Mablethorpe.

The story of being threatened with a pick axe handle from the person who my mate had borrowed the transit van from and how we borrowed another transit van to go and get the lost transit van is an epic tale of drug induced, abject failure of two fucking idiots is epic and best saved for another time. I will day that it was a three day mission full of misery and pain.

Pete

So you weren't exactly 'on point' then Pete :D

Been there me sen :wink:

Len :thumbsup:

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2 hours ago, TattooDave said:

I think my most scary allnighter in the 70's was at St. Ives, I spent all night under a table, it's a sorry tale of mixing amphetamines and hallucinatory drugs, experimentally, for research purposes:wicked::hypo:

The experiment went well Dave. It totally fcuked you up.

LOL

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En route to Wigan by train looking out the window and seeing a giant bonfire with people dancing around it naked in the Warrington area, that was kind of scary, in that I hadn't taken anything that night that would induce hallucinations, well not that early.

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1 minute ago, TattooDave said:

En route to Wigan by train looking out the window and seeing a giant bonfire with people dancing around it naked in the Warrington area, that was kind of scary, in that I hadn't taken anything that night that would induce hallucinations, well not that early.

That would have been the Warrington and Wigan Whicker Man Society.

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37 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

We can look back in fondness Len. I have another tale associated with a different transit van - there's a pattern emerging. 

I have a story where Nina (The wife) and I broke down on the way back from The 100 Club. Nina went to ask a Taxi Driver what could be wrong with our car (Her thinking being, Taxi Drivers drive cars so should know a thing or two) As she's trying to explain, she looks over to see my legs sticking out from under the car....Anyway, the car finally started (In hindsight it had simply cooled down), but all the way home the alarm kept going off every time I put the indicators on (I kid you not)

Anyway, back to work on Monday, I returned the car I had borrowed off a colleague......"Thanks Mark, by the way I think I've fixed your car alarm"......"What car alarm?".....

:D

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3 hours ago, Colnago said:

Nearly everybody back in the day went in a gang/group to all nighters , I’ve absolutely no idea who the hell youre talking about and never heard of these gangstas you’re on about , but I will say, as probably quite a few on ss would agree (I think ) , if anybody did anything like that to anyone who went with us ,would have got the same back and more . Not saying nothing happened but some tales do become exaggerated over the passage of time and then some ! 

what year did you start going to allnighters, and what year did you stop?

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2 hours ago, carty said:

Did anyone attend that ALL NIGHTER at Winsford civic hall in 1979 ( the first one  held there i think ?)  There had been an evening punk session beforehand , then around midnight , the soul crowd was let in without the punks ,whose evening had finished , leaving the premises.  things were edgy for about an hour then the main room exploded into a massive brawl, and  chairs , tables, glasses and anything not nailed down  being thrown across the divide . The Punks ended up in the corner of the hall and one of them managed to open the fire escape and they all got out . a great cheer whent up inside  , then shortly after , several windows were simultaneously  smashed from the outside in .  Remember Pat Brady was D.j ing at the time and Frank Elson was in attendance also  .

My lass was there, it erupted to the soundtrack of The Ruts 'Babylons burning'...

Before my time!

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43 minutes ago, dogsbody said:

what year did you start going to allnighters, and what year did you stop?

77 - still go now n then to nighters, what makes you think I’d stopped ?

16 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Well done old son, I knew this thread had potential!

Some good anecdotes comin' out!

 

43 minutes ago, dogsbody said:

what year did you start going to allnighters, and what year did you stop?

 

43 minutes ago, dogsbody said:

what year did you start going to allnighters, and what year did you stop?

 

2 hours ago, Kenb said:

I know you said 'nearly everbody', so i'm probably in the minority. I never went with a group or gang. but neither was i ever bothered by anyone inside any venue. Outside a different matter.

Like I said ken , nearly everybody 👍

Edited by Colnago

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Actually attended the one in keighley West Yorkshire which got smashed up by some local pissheads who got their arses kicked by the crowd and Ivor Allen, who was on the door, pat Brady was djing that night too! Coppers shut it down about 3 in the morning. 

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1 minute ago, TattooDave said:

The boys from the Boston area were quite intimidating when you were involved in the game of tag with paranoia, as they would put a bag of frozen peas or carrots in your holdall, or a fresh carrot in your pocket and then pose as the Veg Squad, makes a lot less sense now, but somehow frighteningly realistic in a haze of weird memories.

Sounds like one of those 'You had to be there' things Dave!

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10 hours ago, Peter99 said:

We can look back in fondness Len. I have another tale associated with a different transit van - there's a pattern emerging. 

Transport, routes/directions and blocked up people was always a recipe for disaster, no matter how many times you had been the same route before.

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On 23/07/2018 at 11:33, dogsbody said:

You tell 'em mate. The way some of these people carry on you'd think it was a W.I. circular!

 

 

It's Snowflake Central nowadays mate.

 

18 hours ago, TattooDave said:

I think my most scary allnighter in the 70's was at St. Ives, I spent all night under a table, it's a sorry tale of mixing amphetamines and hallucinatory drugs, experimentally, for research purposes:wicked::hypo:

Did you think you was a dog?

 

18 hours ago, Peter99 said:

Mm, a few measly blues. What wouldn't I do for a ......................................

:wicked:

:hypo:

:sweatingbullets:

You were  obviously well into your drugs. Sounds like  a blast.

 

14 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said:

Well done old son, I knew this thread had potential!

Some good anecdotes comin' out!

Poor Dogsbody -  thinking he knew what his own topic would be about. He'll know better next time. Drugs, drugs drugs la la la la la

 

15 hours ago, TattooDave said:

En route to Wigan by train looking out the window and seeing a giant bonfire with people dancing around it naked in the Warrington area, that was kind of scary, in that I hadn't taken anything that night that would induce hallucinations, well not that early.

There weren't any naked people dancing around a bonfire in Warrington or anywhere else for that matter. In the absence of one of your "experiments" it sounds to me like you were experiencing a psychotic episode. No doubt connected to your previous experiments.

14 hours ago, TattooDave said:

The boys from the Boston area were quite intimidating when you were involved in the game of tag with paranoia, as they would put a bag of frozen peas or carrots in your holdall, or a fresh carrot in your pocket and then pose as the Veg Squad, makes a lot less sense now, but somehow frighteningly realistic in a haze of weird memories.

Ah those Young Farmers. They could be a right handful in  a gang

 

On 23/07/2018 at 11:33, dogsbody said:

You tell 'em mate. The way some of these people carry on you'd think it was a W.I. circular!

 

I think you are picturing things a little on the skew. These guys didn't see themselves as "hard men" and they didn't just pick "young lads" as their victims. Anyone was fair game. You have to remember most people don't want  to spend the night in A&E getting their back / front / face sewn up just 'cos they didn't hand over a few measly blues or a couple of quid. They were predators who mostly used an area not too far from their home town to ply their trade. And they worked by using their reputation and,or outnumbering their  victims. When you say you wouldn't have come across them, even if you never went for a pee all night and never carried gear, chances are you would have come across them.They didn't hand out calling cards at the start of the evening!

I know the type you're talking about. I'd class them (or at least the leaders) as criminally psychopathic.  capable of acts of severe violence and totally unafraid of any repercussions.

 

15 hours ago, TattooDave said:

My brain is a mush without that thank you

Do you still see naked people that aren't there?

 

On 22/07/2018 at 12:53, Steve S 60 said:

Steve, everybody knows that you can use stupider as a comparative adjective, in lieu of more stupid, or even the superlative stupidest instead of most stupid, but the latter in each case looks and sounds better in my opinion.

Thank you Frank Muir and Denis Norden for this extremely interesting discourse.

Remember kids, Google is your friend.

 

On 22/07/2018 at 17:34, hornet said:

Hands like shovels 🤭

Oh FFS.

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the flooding of topics with repeat posts by the same member is not welcome on here

9 posts merged into one

member given a warning regarding his actions on here

 

 

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1 hour ago, maslar said:

It's Snowflake Central nowadays mate.

 

Did you think you was a dog?

 

You were  obviously well into your drugs. Sounds like  a blast.

 

Poor Dogsbody -  thinking he knew what his own topic would be about. He'll know better next time. Drugs, drugs drugs la la la la la

 

There weren't any naked people dancing around a bonfire in Warrington or anywhere else for that matter. In the absence of one of your "experiments" it sounds to me like you were experiencing a psychotic episode. No doubt connected to your previous experiments.

Ah those Young Farmers. They could be a right handful in  a gang

 

I know the type you're talking about. I'd class them (or at least the leaders) as criminally psychopathic.  capable of acts of severe violence and totally unafraid of any repercussions.

 

Do you still see naked people that aren't there?

 

Thank you Frank Muir and Denis Norden for this extremely interesting discourse.

Remember kids, Google is your friend.

 

Oh FFS.

Actually wrong on many counts Trollmaester, but then I've come to expect that from you.

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16 hours ago, TattooDave said:

En route to Wigan by train looking out the window and seeing a giant bonfire with people dancing around it naked in the Warrington area, that was kind of scary, in that I hadn't taken anything that night that would induce hallucinations, well not that early.

I wonder if these were the same people I once saw piling out the back of a transit in full pirate garb, one Sunday night/early hours of Monday in Matlock, after two nighters and a dayer that weekend, that bloody Mandy was supposed to help me chill down a bit.

Edited by Kegsy

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8 minutes ago, Kegsy said:

I wonder if these were the same people I once saw piling out the back of a transit in full pirate garb, one Sunday night/early hours of Monday in Matlock, after two nighters and a dayer that weekend, that bloody Mandy was supposed to help me chill down a bit.

Strangely, a lad that was on his way to Wigan the same night turned his hand to running a mobile disco and was booked to do my brother's wedding reception several years later.  I hadn't seen him since 1976, and this was probably 1983, the first thing he asked me was if "I remembered seeing those naked people dancing round that huge bonfire near Warrington?", so it wasn't just me that saw them, blowing someone's theory out of the water.

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Take the flame inside you burn, burn below, fire feed and fire the seed and make the baby grow.

We live in West Cornwall where it's by no means unusual to see people dancing naked through fire, after all, it's much too dangerous with your clothes on! 

🔥

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19 minutes ago, TattooDave said:

Strangely, a lad that was on his way to Wigan the same night turned his hand to running a mobile disco and was booked to do my brother's wedding reception several years later.  I hadn't seen him since 1976, and this was probably 1983, the first thing he asked me was if "I remembered seeing those naked people dancing round that huge bonfire near Warrington?", so it wasn't just me that saw them, blowing someone's theory out of the water.

Dave, do a search for Warrington Pagans, and no, it's not a Rugby League team.

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