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Why would any promoter choose venues with crap floors . Book venues with decent dance floors we pay to get in with decent money .

And punters wear decent shoes its your hobby/pastime invest in it we have been at it long enough now .

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51 minutes ago, Mark S said:

Why would any promoter choose venues with crap floors . Book venues with decent dance floors we pay to get in with decent money .

Baffles me as well but they sometimes do!

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Update - spoke to the doc & now I'm the proud owner of a nice little blue inhaler...……☹️

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On 03/01/2019 at 23:00, Martin S said:

There's quite a few references to drink spillages on the dance floor on this thread.

Are people still being allowed to irresponsibly take drinks on to the dance floor at events you attend?

Ever since 2002, at any event I'm working at or promoting myself, I have made polite announcements stating that no drinks are allowed on the dance floor. Only a few times have there been repeat offenders but this has easily been dealt with by a follow up request from security, or by turning the music off for a moment with a more detailed request at any event without security, until that person has done what I/we have requested.

This is an absolute no-no for us at WWSC also, you can tell the soulies as they'll go round the outside of the floor with drinks whereas the divs will cross the floor! However we'll warn once and once only for 'dancing avec pint' as it's unforgivable in my view.

Katie took a divvy off by his ear who had to beg to be allowed back in last event!

On the subject of talc I just think it's a shame that some don't even bother trying out the floor before chucking the stuff around, if they did -they might be pleasantly surprised they just don't need it.

 

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Hi Kathryn, I have read quite a few of the responses & what I will refer to is the Health related issues.  It is used in some of the Venues I go to, but I would use a bit of magic dust, rather than talc tbh.  I don't understand if people are serious about dancing why they don"t wear good dancing shoes? A leather / suede sole or smooth bottom (careful..🙄), usually does the trick 😁

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3 hours ago, jd1962 said:

 It is used in some of the Venues I go to, but I would use a bit of magic dust, rather than talc tbh.  

Not sure I'd be recommending 'magic dust' as an alternative .... leastways not any of the three 'kinds' of "magic dust" that I'm aware of ... :rolleyes:

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Overall consensus is looking pretty anti then? 

Everything in moderation I say. Too much can be a nuisance, agreed. However I wouldn't like it to die out either, like hand clapping seems to for the best part.

No, looking at your talc covered brogues/loafers on a Monday/suicide Tuesday after a nighter, is a grin-worthy reminder of the great time you had. Also the chief reason for highly polishing the feckers before the next dance.

No talc would be sad and wrong and one less thing. What's next? No talking b sides bollix outside at 4.53 am?

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I used to think the same as you Simsy - bit of talc within reason is ok, but worsening breathing probs are forcing me to look at things differently now. Bit of talc on the floor & I'm gasping for breath! Never used to be that way. 😩

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As a promoter who hires a room for our monthly event, I am told by the club that talc is not allowed for all the reasons already stated here. Bottom line (no pun intended) is that if we cannot control the use of talc, we risk being kicked out of the venue - bit of a no brainer for us. At our last event we did have a talc issue although our flyers and Facebook page indicate that we are a talc free zone. Might help if the guy we suspect - although we didn't see the talc go down, so no real proof - changed his trainers for more suitable shoes. When I spoke to him, all I got was ''not me guv''. At this months event we will ensure that everyone who comes through the door will be made well aware of our policy and then claimed ignorance cannot be an excuse. For us, the ironic thing about our situation is that we are blessed with a polished maple sprung dance floor, one of the best in our area, that absolutely does not require the white stuff!

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5 hours ago, Simsy said:

Overall consensus is looking pretty anti then? 

Everything in moderation I say. Too much can be a nuisance, agreed. However I wouldn't like it to die out either, like hand clapping seems to for the best part.

No, looking at your talc covered brogues/loafers on a Monday/suicide Tuesday after a nighter, is a grin-worthy reminder of the great time you had. Also the chief reason for highly polishing the feckers before the next dance.

No talc would be sad and wrong and one less thing. What's next? No talking b sides bollix outside at 4.53 am?

Simsy, thank you for your post - I had been becoming more and more disillusioned reading this topic over the last week and was on the point of saying 'ah f**k it...' and retiring from the scene for good - when did a load of footloose and fancy free young folk become so soured and sanctimonious over the course of life - YES, of course I 'get' differing opinions, but all the NO, NO AND THRICE NO! responses seemed to brook no opposing opinion, and I wondered if a modern day Torquemada/Joe McCarthy were trolling the board under soul sobriquets!
I have decided that I will keep attending, I will keep taking talc along with me -BUT, will always give the dancefloor an hour or so 'chance' to see if it cuts the mustard before reaching for a MINIMAL amount of talc and putting it in the smallest corner possible and staying in that area all night to dance, to do otherwise when it affects peoples health would not be very considerate - and against my approach for life - and if anyone approaches me with politeness to discuss/negotiate of course they will be met with courtesy and bonhomie, but any who approach me with a face on like they've just necked a pint of vinegar and the intent to 'chide' me will be met with a mirroring attitude - I hope for more tolerance from us all on the scene, very little in life is 'right' and 'wrong'

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On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 21:29, algsoul said:

clogs up your sound system and the grooves in your records (nasty stuff)

Doesn't do much for your lungs either algsoul - I know quite a lot of people who have breathing probs that they say were caused by spending decades dancing around in clouds of the stuff! It certainly sets me off coughing & then I have probs for a few days after attending an event where talc is present. I'm told by the doc that I have now developed asthma & need to use an inhaler. I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't need one at all if it hadn't been for talc in the air at soul nights. Never used talc myself - only been surrounded by the stuff when others have used it.

I have also heard stories of promoters being sued when people have slipped & injured themselves on pools of talc - one of whom I know personally - & it very nearly cost him his home - others I have only heard about.

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6 minutes ago, Kathryn Magson said:

Doesn't do much for your lungs either algsoul - I know quite a lot of people who have breathing probs that they say were caused by spending decades dancing around in clouds of the stuff! It certainly sets me off coughing & then I have probs for a few days after attending an event where talc is present. I'm told by the doc that I have now developed asthma & need to use an inhaler. I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't need one at all if it hadn't been for talc in the air at soul nights. Never used talc myself - only been surrounded by the stuff when others have used it.

One of the major causes of asthma is exposure to 'irritants'. So, attending Northern Soul gigs is implicitly going to be a wall to wall problem and then of course you've got the side issue of talc in the air to contend with  :)

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At first, Kathryn was a little self conscious on the dance floor....

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22 hours ago, hullsoulie said:

Simsy, thank you for your post - I had been becoming more and more disillusioned reading this topic over the last week and was on the point of saying 'ah f**k it...' and retiring from the scene for good - when did a load of footloose and fancy free young folk become so soured and sanctimonious over the course of life - YES, of course I 'get' differing opinions, but all the NO, NO AND THRICE NO! responses seemed to brook no opposing opinion, and I wondered if a modern day Torquemada/Joe McCarthy were trolling the board under soul sobriquets!
I have decided that I will keep attending, I will keep taking talc along with me -BUT, will always give the dancefloor an hour or so 'chance' to see if it cuts the mustard before reaching for a MINIMAL amount of talc and putting it in the smallest corner possible and staying in that area all night to dance, to do otherwise when it affects peoples health would not be very considerate - and against my approach for life - and if anyone approaches me with politeness to discuss/negotiate of course they will be met with courtesy and bonhomie, but any who approach me with a face on like they've just necked a pint of vinegar and the intent to 'chide' me will be met with a mirroring attitude - I hope for more tolerance from us all on the scene, very little in life is 'right' and 'wrong'

You keep taking it me old son and disperse when needed. Like the smell of Red Bull in the car, some scents (talc included) are just part of it - part of the night out.

In short, I love the smell of talcum in the morning, nothing else smells like that.

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Ironic that most members on here, smokers or ex-smokers, or passive smokers prior to the smoking ban, are still subjected to talc dust in many venues.  With poor Kathryn being diagnosed with asthma, I have looked at the possibility of purchasing a handheld dust monitor.  However, at £400 upwards, the price is somewhat prohibitive.  What price good health, one may ask?  Well, an alternative to these modern contraptions would be a canary.  However, there are a couple of drawbacks with this organic approach.  Firstly, I'm not too sure of the current policy with regards to animals in venues.  Although taking up less space than a guide dog, canaries can be noisy.  Secondly, the RSPB might take a dim view should the canary develop a respiratory disease.  I have done some online research and have actually come across a cure for asthmatic canaries.  Apparently, a small piece of sponge cake soaked in a teaspoon of good whisky and administered twice a week works wonders.  Kathryn, take note, although you may have to up the dose considering the relative size of a small songbird compared to a full grown adult human.  We're probably looking at a full Victoria sponge cake and half a bottle of Scotch.

 

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Sponge cake & whisky? Sounds interesting lol 

Went to my favourite (apart from the talc) venue last night - only a small amount of the stuff put down - looks promising! :thumbup:

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6 minutes ago, Kathryn Magson said:

Sponge cake & whisky? Sounds interesting lol 

Went to my favourite (apart from the talc) venue last night - only a small amount of the stuff put down - looks promising! :thumbup:

That is encouraging.  Hopefully this thread has created more awareness of the problem.  Could be only temporary, like the abstention of alcohol during "dry" January, and many talcoholics are currently on the wagon.  Don't think BREXIT is a factor, as I haven't heard of stockpiling of baby powder.

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I was at a venue a couple of weeks ago - one that has a strict no talc policy - & some dickhead decide to cover the floor with talc.

I'm glad to say he has now been barred from the premises. Tried to tell me talc has ALWAYS been allowed there...……..errrmmmmm…….NO!! lol

PS - could do with a button that says "laugh" on here Steve S 60 - sometimes "like" isn't quite what I want to say lol😂

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20 hours ago, Steve S 60 said:

That is encouraging.  Hopefully this thread has created more awareness of the problem.  Could be only temporary, like the abstention of alcohol during "dry" January, and many talcoholics are currently on the wagon.  Don't think BREXIT is a factor, as I haven't heard of stockpiling of baby powder.

Talcoholics!!!! 🤣 Class.

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On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 22:04, Timillustrator said:

I will list the 10 venues which don't need it at all - Stables Wolverhampton (sprung woodstrip and talc banned), Darlaston Town Hall (sprung woodstrip and talc banned), Birmingham Town Hall (sprung woodstrip), Mojo Soul Club, Darlaston (sprung woodstrip and talc banned), Gornal Soul Club (woodstrip on concrete sub base), Steppin Up Selly Oak, Birmingham (sprung woodstrip), Old Brogues, Old Oscott, Birmingham (woodstrip on concrete sub base), Soultime Pelsall (sprung woodstrip), Kings Hall Stoke (sprung woodstrip) and the 100 Club (Solid concrete and talc banned). I admit I am a floor nerd.

Could add The Harold Soul Club to that list Timillustrator - quite a small venue, but it has a top-notch sprung maple dance floor & a strict no-talc policy. Shame it's a bit out of area for you - it's at Low Moor near Bradford. Venue 73 in Brighouse is bigger - fab dance floor & NO TALC - door staff search bags for it.

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Looking at the scale of the lawsuits in the USA we should only hope that we do not get a sudden influx of female American Northern Soulies ,because if they start in on the dancefloor we are apparently going to need mini snow clearers to dig our way out.

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2 hours ago, Kathryn Magson said:

Could add The Harold Soul Club to that list Timillustrator - quite a small venue, but it has a top-notch sprung maple dance floor & a strict no-talc policy. Shame it's a bit out of area for you - it's at Low Moor near Bradford. Venue 73 in Brighouse is bigger - fab dance floor & NO TALC - door staff search bags for it.

Thanks Kathryn, I go to Bradford occasionally (was there almost exactly a year ago today) I'll definitely bear that in mind if I am up that way.

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I noticed the other day that one of my friends had given another of my friends a REAL verbal pasting for running a soul night & advertising it on Facebook as being "talc friendly"! Commented "Are you f---ing mad...….?" Had lots to say about breathing probs etc.

A guy who chucks shed loads of the stuff down at one of my regular soul nights (clearly states talc free) - & can become quite abusive when requested not to - has just been barred from the venue. Hugely controversial subject!

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I recently joined a facebook page called "No Talc Soul Club" - it's quite a new page, so doesn't have a huge number of people on it as yet. Only events that have a strict no talc policy are allowed to post their flyers on there. I thought it might be of interest to some of the people who have commented on this thread, especially those who like me have developed breathing probs that are aggravated by talc.

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On 06/01/2019 at 22:27, Mark S said:

Why would any promoter choose venues with crap floors . Book venues with decent dance floors we pay to get in with decent money .

And punters wear decent shoes its your hobby/pastime invest in it we have been at it long enough now .

On that point..do many promoters check if they a 'talc' clause built it to their Public Liability insurance when they come to renewal ?

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44 minutes ago, jez jones said:

On that point..do many promoters check if they a 'talc' clause built it to their Public Liability insurance when they come to renewal ?

I don't think many promoters even have Public Liability Insurance. But I suppose the actual venue has that covered, but not so sure who would be liable if someone was seriously injured ref talc - The venue owner could argue that it was the promoter's responsibility.

Although talc has been used for years, it was never a major issue. Which is down to buckets of it being chucked about nowadays I suppose :huh:

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I don't think many promoters even have Public Liability Insurance. But I suppose the actual venue has that covered, but not so sure who would be liable if someone was seriously injured ref talc - The venue owner could argue that it was the promoter's responsibility.

Although talc has been used for years, it was never a major issue. Which is down to buckets of it being chucked about nowadays I suppose :huh:

Len :thumbsup:

Not sure about the liability insurance Len, pretty sure if one of my cabaret bands' PA speakers fell off it's stand and injured someone it'd be our responsibility, hence pro-bands having PLI, a lot of Hotels and holiday complexes have that rule, no ins no booking.

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I know a promoter who was sued because someone slipped & fell on talc - I don't know all the details, but I was told it very nearly cost him  his home. His events are understandably VERY anti-talc now!

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I'd doubt the insurance policy would be specific on the matter. Could be wrong but they tend to cover all sorts and rarely go into detail on specific perils that would be excluded. Equally someone could slip on some spilled beer or or a misplaced handbag or dropped sandwich. 

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If the venue allows it , Talc in moderation...

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14 hours ago, Bossfourpart1 said:

If the venue allows it , Talc in moderation...

I would have been of the same opinion at one time, but like so many others on the soul scene I have now developed breathing problems associated with talc. It's only very recently that I have been diagnosed with asthma & now occasionally need to use an inhaler - most often at a soul night where talc is allowed. Events where talc is banned I'm absolutely fine. Stands to reason really - if you look at bakers - miners - mill-workers - sandblasters - in fact anywhere at all that is a dusty atmosphere - people develop lung problems. It really isn't a case of being a misery guts & wanting to spoil anyone's night - it's simply a case of putting people's health first. I'm really pleased to see that more & more venues are banning the use of talc.

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Most of us learned to dance on bedroom carpets didn't we? Not a fan of talc, I know someone who slipped at a venue and broke her wrist, in fact 2 people.! Sometimes its needed, but can be a problem even walking on it.If its banned at a venue then honour the ban. As for 100 club, you can't get to the bogs end from the bar without crossing some of the dancefloor. Etiquette prevails, no big dramas there.

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8 minutes ago, KevH said:

Most of us learned to dance on bedroom carpets didn't we? Not a fan of talc, I know someone who slipped at a venue and broke her wrist, in fact 2 people.! Sometimes its needed, but can be a problem even walking on it.If its banned at a venue then honour the ban. As for 100 club, you can't get to the bogs end from the bar without crossing some of the dancefloor. Etiquette prevails, no big dramas there.

Most of the clubs I went to when I was going to the all-nighters as a teenager were in cellars - Twisted Wheel included - the floors were all flagstones or concrete! No such luxury as a sprung dance floor - but we all used to spin & bounce around the floor without the need for clouds of talc. Decent shoes helped!

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Nowadays I prefer a good roll-on.

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Always a lot of money involved with White Powders ..........

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Well - I went to one of my favourite events on Saturday. The music is just FAB - atmosphere's brilliant - plenty of feedback saying pretty much the same thing - the only criticism comes from quite a few of the regulars & that is that the organizers insist on providing trays of talc for the dance floor. Only a small minority of the punters want it - the rest of us hate the stuff! Having said that - since I & a few others complained about it, they decided to use trays rather than have people bringing in their own & chucking it everywhere, things have improved a bit. Would still be better without talc at all though - I've suggested Slipperine a few times but that didn't go down well. The guy who makes the most noise about wanting talc wears trainers...…...lol. Thing is - this place is a 2 minute cab ride from my house & I just LOVE it there....apart from the bloody talc! 🤨  🤔  😖

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