Stephen Houghton 56 Posted February 11 What's a OVO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solidsoul 744 Posted February 11 On 25/01/2019 at 22:04, shufflin said: thanks for posting an opinion rather than a passive aggressive non answer I'm still no wiser though, for example is OVO a 45 only or if the LP and 45 were released on same label around same time are they both OVO? I only ask after the Earnest Ernie thread where people seemed to only like the 45 and were not bothered about the LP it was released on months before (I own both) I have Time by Edwin Starr on original Gordy 45 and LP - which is OVO? both presumably, or the 1970 UK release same for The Voices Of East Harlem, Timi Yuro and others released on 45 & LP, or is it simply rarity that drives OVO, the 45 being rarer? If it was released first in US, is the international (Brit/French/Aus etc) version a re-issue? and vice versa Is an acetate always the OVO if the track got a 45 release? If it got released on LP and 45 and then picked up by a major label for bigger distribution, as long as they all came out about the same time, as part of the original promotion and release to the general public they are all originals. Original part of the promotion and distribution to the general public of that song. 1 shufflin reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 7 minutes ago, solidsoul said: If it got released on LP and 45 and then picked up by a major label for bigger distribution, as long as they all came out about the same time, as part of the original promotion and release to the general public they are all originals. Original part of the promotion and distribution to the general public of that song. No, what you describe in your first sentence is a second issue. OVO in the context of 'Original Vinyl Only' Northern soul refers to the first pressing whether on LP or 45, anything else is not OVO, unless a first issue from another country, eg: A UK first release of a tune previously released in the USA, that is classed as OVO first UK issue. In context The Tempests 'Someday' OVO is the album 'Would you believe?' The Belles 'Don't pretend' first issue on Mirwood is OVO as is The Belles on UK President. The Belles on Contempo isn't OVO. 1 soundsOKEH reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: No, what you describe in your first sentence is a second issue. OVO in the context of 'Original Vinyl Only' Northern soul refers to the first pressing whether on LP or 45, anything else is not OVO, unless a first issue from another country, eg: A UK first release of a tune previously released in the USA, that is classed as OVO first UK issue. In context The Tempests 'Someday' OVO is the album 'Would you believe?' The Belles 'Don't pretend' first issue on Mirwood is OVO as is The Belles on UK President. The Belles on Contempo isn't OVO. Again I doubt there is one venue anywhere that sticks strictly to this stupid rule. 4 BabyBoyAndMyLass, soundsOKEH, Kathryn Magson and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solidsoul 744 Posted February 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: No, what you describe in your first sentence is a second issue. OVO in the context of 'Original Vinyl Only' Northern soul refers to the first pressing whether on LP or 45, anything else is not OVO. It's not as simple as that! That would mean something like for example, The Formations on Bank records is an original, but it was also released about a month later by MGM for a bigger national distribution to the USA public. That MGM release has always been considered an original because it was part of the original promotion of the song, while the group were still together and hoping for a hit. Edited February 11 by solidsoul 1 BabyBoyAndMyLass reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinehead 1,495 Posted February 11 (edited) F**k me F.I.F.A. simplified the offside rule so surely the Soul Police can do something about this rule lol. Edited February 11 by shinehead 7 Soul16, LEN, shufflin and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, chalky said: Again I doubt there is one venue anywhere that sticks strictly to this stupid rule. LoL Chalky, and everyone else, I didn't make the rule, and I didn't say what is my view on it. @solidsoul I don't know if you are in the UK or... But the case you highlighted the Formations on Bank would be the OVO, the MGM if you spun that then, your reputation as an OVO DJ would be shot! Plus you might well be too, or hung drawn and quartered, Tar and Feathered who knows? Don't shoot the messenger they ain't my rules, nor do I particularly give a flyer about them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
solidsoul 744 Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: LoL Chalky, and everyone else, I didn't make the rule, and I didn't say what is my view on it. @solidsoul I don't know if you are in the UK or... But the case you highlighted the Formations on Bank would be the OVO, the MGM if you spun that then, your reputation as an OVO DJ would be shot! Plus you might well be too, or hung drawn and quartered, Tar and Feathered who knows? Don't shoot the messenger they ain't my rules, nor do I particularly give a flyer about them! Well you better tell all the major record dealers, because the Formations on MGM has always, from the dawn of the Northern Scene, been sold as an original even though it came out on Bank first! 1 BabyBoyAndMyLass reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Siret 30 Posted February 11 Some titles had local releases then national - America is a big place. This was explained to you very well. I guess Babyboy you"ve never collected records? As for your comment about being shot etc for playing such releases please let us know names of the half-wits who take this stance. 1 chalky reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 I'm not getting into squabbles about it. I have got original vinyl records. I wouldn't describe myself as a record collector. I'm only saying what the UK OVO soul scene is. If you're in doubt have a read of the hundreds of discussions on it! I'm not talking about the scene in America. As for the 'half wits who take this stance' bit we have events here in the UK with cameras focussed on the decks and the label showing on big screens behind the DJ for people to see/scrutinise! People get called out on it all the time. I'll state again that I couldn't care less about OVO at events! 1 Soulsides reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: LoL Chalky, and everyone else, I didn't make the rule, and I didn't say what is my view on it. @solidsoul I don't know if you are in the UK or... But the case you highlighted the Formations on Bank would be the OVO, the MGM if you spun that then, your reputation as an OVO DJ would be shot! Plus you might well be too, or hung drawn and quartered, Tar and Feathered who knows? Don't shoot the messenger they ain't my rules, nor do I particularly give a flyer about them! There you go complicating a simply situation, any LP, local, national release, any company reissue within a reasonable time period is original release. I wouldn’t play a reissue if a first press there or even the acetate personally. Anyone who says a national releae isn’t original and ok to play needs to give their head a good wobble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: LoL Chalky, and everyone else, I didn't make the rule, and I didn't say what is my view on it. @solidsoul I don't know if you are in the UK or... But the case you highlighted the Formations on Bank would be the OVO, the MGM if you spun that then, your reputation as an OVO DJ would be shot! Plus you might well be too, or hung drawn and quartered, Tar and Feathered who knows? Don't shoot the messenger they ain't my rules, nor do I particularly give a flyer about them! Any one who plays the MGM, their reputation would be solid, except for some fuck wit in a dark corner who it seems hasn’t got a clue. 1 ezzie brown reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, chalky said: Any one who plays the MGM, their reputation would be solid, except for some fuck wit in a dark corner who it seems hasn’t got a clue. If that's a pop at me how many times do I have to say I don't give two f***s about OVO? He asked a question, I answered it, as you well know Chalky people out there get furious over this issue, I'm not one of 'em. This MGM one may be an exception, but the general rule is what I described, is it not? Whether you agree or I or not. 1 Timillustrator reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinehead 1,495 Posted February 11 It used to be so simple , bootlegs a great big no and the same with years after re- issues . 3 Soul16, ricticman and shufflin reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 (edited) 26 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: I'm not getting into squabbles about it. I have got original vinyl records. I wouldn't describe myself as a record collector. I'm only saying what the UK OVO soul scene is. If you're in doubt have a read of the hundreds of discussions on it! But it is ‘t though is it, it is justba few idiots spouting off on social media, some using the term on their flyer for some sort of credibility. Most couldn’t give a sh*t, that includes your serious collectors and Djs. Most support the venues who do it how it should be done without being told some silly rule. You only have to read topics like this to see that most either haven’t a clue what they are on about or cannot agree on whatbthe criteria for such a rule should be. As I said just go out and enjoy the music, support those who you know care and do it right and smack those who spout silly rules round the head with a bootleg or two Edited February 11 by chalky 2 John Siret and LEN reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: If that's a pop at me how many times do I have to say I don't give two f***s about OVO? He asked a question, I answered it, as you well know Chalky people out there get furious over this issue, I'm not one of 'em. This MGM one may be an exception, but the general rule is what I described, is it not? Whether you agree or I or not. Its a pop at anyone who says different tbh, no one in particular. I was simp,y quoting what you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spain pete 1,115 Posted February 11 Some of the greatest music I've ever heard has been on CD 's is that wrong? 3 flamingemeralds, Joey and Soulsides reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 Just now, chalky said: But it is ‘t though is it, it is justba few idiots spouting off on social media, some using the term on their flyer for some sort of credibility. Most couldn’t give a sh*t, that in ludes your serious collectirs and Djs. Most support the venues who do it how it should be done without being told some silly rule. You only have to read topics like this to see that most either haven’t a clue what they are on about or cannot agree on whatbthe criteria for such a rule should be. As I said just go out and enjoy the music, support thoe who you know care and do it right and smack those who spout silly rules round the head with a bootleg or two Thing is I know you and I are on the same page about OVO generally. I do go out and I do enjoy it, they can play on CD or Mp3 for all I care. 2 Timillustrator and Joey reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey 809 Posted February 11 FFS Chalky. Reading your latest posts most people would perhaps be forgiven that you're actually beginning to agree with much of what I've posted on the subject! For the benefit of all, and to the detriment and rebuttal of all other arguments, ITS THE SOUND, NOT THE F***ING LABEL THAT COUNTS!!!!! Stop stroking chins, waving willies, and acting like some kind of unofficial policemen. Just dance to the bloody music and enjoy yourselves. Believe it or not, that's what we all used to do once upon a time. Before half the scene disappeared up its own arsehole, that is. 5 Soulsides, soundsOKEH, Kathryn Magson and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shufflin 912 Posted February 11 the thread seems be getting very negative ? 4 MGM 1251, Soulsides, Colnago and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colnago 302 Posted February 11 Maybe the OVO Should be changed to LVO ‘ legit vinyl only’ maybe that’ll help end this tedious monotony . 4 marktsoulman, soundsOKEH, shufflin and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winsford Soul 9,585 Posted February 11 Just now, Colnago said: Maybe the OVO Should be changed to LVO ‘ legit vinyl only’ maybe that’ll help end this tedious monotony . I know what you mean but even more simple solution is no Boots CD,s tapes. Etc. ..........End of. Scene can return to its underground existence with no mate DJ, promoting shit and we can all live happily ever after. Steve 5 Olivernorth, chalky, john-o and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colnago 302 Posted February 11 And I know what you mean too Steve , Andrew 1 Winsford Soul reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEN 3,438 Posted February 11 Or don't mention 'OVO' ever again! (We never used to) Len 3 Winsford Soul, middleman and chalky reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chalky 13,182 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Joey said: FFS Chalky. Reading your latest posts most people would perhaps be forgiven that you're actually beginning to agree with much of what I've posted on the subject! For the benefit of all, and to the detriment and rebuttal of all other arguments, ITS THE SOUND, NOT THE F***ING LABEL THAT COUNTS!!!!! Stop stroking chins, waving willies, and acting like some kind of unofficial policemen. Just dance to the bloody music and enjoy yourselves. Believe it or not, that's what we all used to do once upon a time. Before half the scene disappeared up its own arsehole, that is. I want to listen to rare soul, be it on an actete, local release, national release or an Lp. I don’t wish to hear reissues from years later or bootlegs. I’ve Djed countless times too and I’ve never been asked do I play OVO, nor have I ever asked that of any promoter or DJ, you just know the score when you are around the scene. Why do we need the rules when as a promoter you are booking the right people, why the need to tell everyone you are an OVO event. The vast majority already knw the score the rest couldn’t give a monkey. 6 solidsoul, Colnago, LEN and 3 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shufflin 912 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, chalky said: I want to listen to rare soul, be it on an actete, local release, national release or an Lp. I don’t wish to hear reissues from years later or bootlegs. I’ve Djed countless times too and I’ve never been asked do I play OVO, nor have I ever asked that of any promoter or DJ, you just know the score when you are around the scene. Why do we need the rules when as a promoter you are booking the right people, why the need to tell everyone you are an OVO event. The vast majority already knw the score the rest couldn’t give a monkey. that would be a good closing post imo 3 solidsoul, Colnago and eddiefoster reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey 809 Posted February 11 1 minute ago, chalky said: I want to listen to rare soul, be it on an actete, local release, national release or an Lp. I don’t wish to hear reissues from years later or bootlegs. I’ve Djed countless times too and I’ve never been asked do I play OVO, nor have I ever asked that of any promoter or DJ, you just know the score when you are around the scene. Why do we need the rules when as a promoter you are booking the right people, why the need to tell everyone you are an OVO event. The vast majority already knw the score the rest couldn’t give a monkey. As another member posted earlier today, perhaps we need to draw a VERY THICK AND SOLID line under this subject. Views are not just extremely polarised, but also firmly entrenched. I doubt very much that ANY new arguments, either for or against, will sway anyone's opinion. In the great scheme of things, this is a relatively new phenomenon on the scene. It will go away one day, probably only to be replaced by something equally as contentious! (and remember, at the end of the day it's only an opinion. Mine, of course, is the right one, everyone else is wrong!) 3 Winsford Soul, Timillustrator and Soulsides reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colnago 302 Posted February 11 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joey said: As another member posted earlier today, perhaps we need to draw a VERY THICK AND SOLID line under this subject. Views are not just extremely polarised, but also firmly entrenched. I doubt very much that ANY new arguments, either for or against, will sway anyone's opinion. In the great scheme of things, this is a relatively new phenomenon on the scene. It will go away one day, probably only to be replaced by something equally as contentious! (and remember, at the end of the day it's only an opinion. Mine, of course, is the right one, everyone else is wrong!) Amen ? ( lol) Edited February 11 by Colnago 3 Soulman58, Joey and shufflin reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LEN 3,438 Posted February 11 There are some DJs that I rate / some I don't so much (In the nicest possible way I hasten to add) I just enjoy what they do.....'OVO' this 'OVO' that - I have less time for 'Mr Souless' who just happens to have all the original 'top tunes' 'The End' Len 2 chalky and flamingemeralds reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daved 737 Posted February 11 4 hours ago, BabyBoyAndMyLass said: No, what you describe in your first sentence is a second issue. OVO in the context of 'Original Vinyl Only' Northern soul refers to the first pressing whether on LP or 45, anything else is not OVO, unless a first issue from another country, eg: A UK first release of a tune previously released in the USA, that is classed as OVO first UK issue. In context The Tempests 'Someday' OVO is the album 'Would you believe?' The Belles 'Don't pretend' first issue on Mirwood is OVO as is The Belles on UK President. The Belles on Contempo isn't OVO. That's just your own interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BabyBoyAndMyLass 1,327 Posted February 11 21 minutes ago, daved said: That's just your own interpretation. Except that it isn't. I'm saying no more on the subject as I don't remotely care about the subject at all. 3 shufflin, Timillustrator and Kathryn Magson reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomangoes 1,443 Posted February 11 OVO Easy to define? One would think so, but there's always poetic licence! Just like defining Norvun Soul... The never ending story... You know when you know.... Ed 2 Soulsides and flamingemeralds reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
