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No disrespect, but you seemed to have 'marvelled' at every half decent team bar United?

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I was referring to regeneration outside of Anfield area , meaning that football clubs aren’t the only ones that provide regeneration. I was actually complementing city on getting the sheik in as Moores nearly did the deal with him and we wouldn’t have batted an eyelid about it so I wouldn’t want to be hypocritical and slate city for having his backing, moores went ahead with the yanks because he’d done a handshake with one of them and was very conscientious on that handshake that he was in turmoil about reneging on it , a principled man if you want , a rarity in itself ! 

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32 minutes ago, chatty said:

No disprect, but you seemed to have 'marvelled' at every half decent team bar United?

Nope, I marvelled at them alright, and also spent plenty of seasons green with envy at the quality of players they could put on the pitch. You may remember the level of player we had at Maine Rd during that period. United fans rubbed our noses in it enough! Plus, as with many Mancunians, I have (oh the shame!) a few United fans in the family, and can even count a few as very firm and old friends,  Credit where credit is due, United have had some good teams. My real issue, like most blues, is with the club, and how it has conducted itself over the years, certainly not its players. 

My main point, again, is that Uniteds all-conquering team of the nineties and naughties couldn't have happened had it not been for the financial windfall provided by first the Edwards family business, then the Murdoch cash, and then the stock market flotation. Same with Liverpool and the Moores plus Sky.  Once a club has a flying start on things like that, it's nigh on impossible to catch them, or even come close to matching them on the pitch once or twice a season. They had the cash to continually outbid anyone else for the best players, thus restricting all their rivals as to what or who they could buy. To continually moan about where City's windfall came from is disingenuous at best, and historically bereft of understanding at worst. Since football was invented and codified, there have always been clubs who have benefitted from having more money than others, and from other places than football itself. Once upon a time Arsenal were even known as "The Bank of England club", they were so wealthy. Trust me, that money didn't come from shirt sales in darkest Indonesia, or prize and TV money. 

The game today was a perfect demonstration of what City are, and what they can do. It's pure poetry at times, and unlike anything we've seen previously. Will it last? Who knows? Will City fans really care that much if tomorrow we're playing the likes of Scunthorpe and Macclesfield again? No, we won't. We're on an incredible rollercoaster of excitement, and will enjoy every bloody minute of it, deep in the knowledge that all rides come to an end one day. That, apparently, is something younger United fans are having major trouble coming to terms with, it would appear! 

Mind the gap! 

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I was referring to regeneration outside of Anfield area , meaning that football clubs aren’t the only ones that provide regeneration. I was actually complementing city on getting the sheik in as Moores nearly did the deal with him and we wouldn’t have batted an eyelid about it so I wouldn’t want to be hypocritical and slate city for having his backing, moores went ahead with the yanks because he’d done a handshake with one of them and was very conscientious on that handshake that he was in turmoil about reneging on it , a principled man if you want , a rarity in itself ! 

Principled indeed. Mistaken also! As you say, any honest football fan would have been overjoyed had the Sheik taken their club over. But all we seem to get is abuse about it, borne, no doubt, from stomach churning envy.

I agree that most cities have been regenerated, to at least some degree or other. But, that particular part of east Manchester was awful. Nothing had been done since the war ended, and it was so rundown you wouldn't believe it. The council should have been ashamed of themselves. The Sheik, through the club, has made an enormous difference. Not just with the cash injection, but it's also given hope to the locals. Something that was sadly missing. And again, all this seems to be overlooked, by people yelling about "hooman rites" abuses, who don't know the first thing about societal and financial conditions in middle eastern countries. (I do by the way!).

Once upon a time, fans of all clubs would have enjoyed the type of football City play, and also Liverpools under Klopp. Not so today, sadly. Funny old game, eh? 😂

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Wrong. The first few years the money was handed out as per how many times you were the featured team on Sky. That was mostly United and Liverpool, who therefore benefitted most from the Sky deal.

 

As I have already stated that was on a supply and demand basis due to the clubs popularity over years and years.

You are defeating your own argument, that money did Liverpool no good whatsoever! 

Mind the chasm, 20 titles v 6.

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28 minutes ago, chatty said:

 

Wrong. The first few years the money was handed out as per how many times you were the featured team on Sky. That was mostly United and Liverpool, who therefore benefitted most from the Sky deal.

 

As I have already stated that was on a supply and demand basis due to the clubs popularity over years and years.

You are defeating your own argument, that money did Liverpool no good whatsoever! 

Mind the chasm, 20 titles v 6.

No, my argument is still valid. Initially it was most certainly not a supply and demand issue. The big five were actually first known as the big SKY five. Picked by television executives. Fans perhaps? It matters not where the cash comes from. It allows a club to progress. The argument slating City about the Sheiks involvement is disingenuous. United did not get all their cash from the turnstiles and number of tickets sold. The popularity only came later, especially the worldwide "fan base" created, once again, by Murdoch and the Premier League selling the TV rights on. That in itself provided United with untold riches, once they'd travelled the entire world opening merchandise shops selling replica shirts by the million to their "loyal fans". 99% of whom couldn't find Manchester on a sodding map, much less ever attend a match. It was even the real reason they opted to snub the FA cup that particular season. Not, as explained, to play that world club match supposedly insisted upon by UEFA/FIFA, but to explore and profit from the South American market. Martin Edwards was even overheard speaking about the opportunity for a MUFC megastore in Rio. It was done for marketing purposes, certainly not footballing ones. And, in my opinion, was to Uniteds everlasting shame. 

As for the Sky money not doing Liverpool much good, I agree. But, there was so much cash that the winners of the league, if they stayed at the top for a season or two as United did, could build a massive gap between themselves and the rest. Liverpool tried playing catch-up, but the sale of the club to the Gillette/Hicks consortium was flawed, and served only to set them back even further, thus leaving the field wide open for United to move even further and further away from them. 

Again, this all goes to illustrate how incredibly bitter and jealous many United fans have suddenly become. The "noisy neighbours" are here, and seemingly here to stay. Just sit back, enjoy what we're serving up, and remember.......Ole's at the wheel, and has everything under control😂

Oh, and twenty titles as opposed to six? That was then, this is now. Anything else is just history, or so you keep telling the scousers! 

Enough. Sorry, but I'm old, I'm tired and I'm too happy with what I saw at Wembley earlier today to be bothered debating the finer points of football finance and history any further, even though I'm enjoying it far more than an OVO argument! Time for bed! ️⚽😀👍

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The "noisy neighbours" are here, and seemingly here to stay

 

That's my exact point, you're only 'staying' as long as you've got the leg up.

For all your talk of a Edwards this, Murdoch that , they are self financing, City without the Sheik  are not  and never will be.

Goodnight!

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Forget the Sheik's wealth and the financial misdoings at City, there's something for more fishy going on at the Emptyhead!!!! 🤔

Regards.

Drew.

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read an interesting piece today, thats sort of related to our latest bit of discussion  

people would rather watch star players rather than competitive matches

 "In other words, more people would prefer to see a Manchester City – with their multiple superstars – facing a Watford than two teams with slightly less overall talent playing what should in theory be a closer game."

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/20/football-tv-manchester-city-watford-fa-cup-final

as said an interesting view, food for thought....?

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33 minutes ago, Mike said:

read an interesting piece today, thats sort of related to our latest bit of discussion  

people would rather watch star players rather than competitive matches

 "In other words, more people would prefer to see a Manchester City – with their multiple superstars – facing a Watford than two teams with slightly less overall talent playing what should in theory be a closer game."

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/may/20/football-tv-manchester-city-watford-fa-cup-final

as said an interesting view, food for thought....?

Mike. As you know I've watched United home and away since 1972. And as a fan I would rather them lose and play football than bore a team to death and win 1.0 . But with the silly amounts of money involved these days, it's unfortunately win at all costs regardless. 

Of coarse everyone hopes for big score wins but realistically that doesn't happen often  so close games with plenty of goals for both side's is definitely the preferred option.  

Steve 

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Wish I could say it’s not all about the money, but sadly , in today’s society we have created a monster that’s hard to turn round and stop.

Even the Avengers would have a hard time fighting against Murdock's Sky Empire of Storm Troopers .. 

Most of us of a certain age , tend to live on memories of what once was , and can never be. And the understanding of playing for the shirt and history of the club is lost to most foreign professionals now. No one now touches the “ This is Anfield “ sign on the way out of the tunnel. 

But let’s not loose perspective on this. Yes things have changed , yes players will come and go where the money takes them and the odd club will still produce some good home grown talent. 

But there has been some really memorable football games this season at all ends of the leagues. Charlton getting to the playoffs :) 

Football has changed and it will continue to change but it still gives me the full gamut of emotions , the highs and lows of a rollercoaster ride , one more to come .

Just hope we end on a high .  

But who knows “ Footballs a funny old game “ - Saint & Greavsie 

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Oh and just to poke fun at our own . I was sent this by someone . 

Watch the guys in the wheelchairs .

 

 

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