How Modern is Modern?

Mark R · April 8, 2019

In answer to the original thread question, if it fits on here in its native format, then it's most definitely modern!!

Cheers,

Mark R

Edited April 8, 2019 by Mark R

Tomangoes · April 8, 2019

So Stevie

Would you say that true modern is perhaps a scene on its own and has passed the point of being included in the Northern Soul spectrum at least until it's a few years old?

Ed

Algsoul · April 8, 2019

Lakeshore Commission - Together (Right Now) nice new one

Speedlimit · April 8, 2019

Why should it be ommited from northern rooms it wasn't in the late 70's and 80's that sort of attitude as caused the splits within the scene . resulting in the sad state it's in now . everything in one room how it should be. The New sounds will soon grow on you

Chalky · April 8, 2019

20 minutes ago, speedlimit said:

Why should it be ommited from northern rooms it wasn't in the late 70's and 80's that sort of attitude as caused the splits within the scene . resulting in the sad state it's in now . everything in one room how it should be. The New sounds will soon grow on you

Unless it sounds northern (60s/70s retro) in its style they aren't interest. Most aren’t interested in anything different 60s wise so try and get them to accept new releases is never going to happen.

Cunnie · April 8, 2019

3 hours ago, algsoul said:

Lakeshore Commission - Together (Right Now) nice new one

Quality Laurence.
Raw uncut remix is very good too. Got a bit more bounce to it.

April 8, 2019

nice

Edited April 8, 2019 by Shufflin

Mark R · April 8, 2019

28 minutes ago, shufflin said:

nice

Definitely played this as a new release at Cleethorpes Weekender back in 2010......good shout!

Cheers,

Mark R

Roburt · April 9, 2019

This had quite a few MS fans heading straight for the dancefloor back in the day …

Speedlimit · April 9, 2019

16 hours ago, chalky said:

Unless it sounds northern (60s/70s retro) in its style they aren't interest. Most aren’t interested in anything different 60s wise so try and get them to accept new releases is never going to happen.

I know mate we can live in hope . mainly down to narrow minded promoters

Scootboy · April 9, 2019

This is a good retro/modern Northern Soul song

Scootboy · April 9, 2019

This one,is also interesting...

Winsford Soul · April 9, 2019

Lisa Stansfield . Ticks all the boxes of this weird and wonderful scene and it's a 90,s release. Classed as modern ? In the context of this thread yes,

I love it

Steve

Steviehay · April 9, 2019

21 hours ago, tomangoes said:

So Stevie

Would you say that true modern is perhaps a scene on its own and has passed the point of being included in the Northern Soul spectrum at least until it's a few years old?

Ed

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were putting a modern night on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers

Timillustrator · April 9, 2019

22 hours ago, tomangoes said:

I guess the concensus is if it sounds soulful to you, and you can dance to it, then it can well be Northern Soul. It's flexible on soulfullness but not so much danceability..

However you cant shuffle to afternoon of the rhino anymore than you can stomp to house for sale.

Modern generally follows the soulful disco style and the dance style that goes with it.

So I would agree it can all be Northern Soul to some even if it's soulful disco or r n b to others.

Modern clearly should really just be a tag for current and recent releases.

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

Edited April 9, 2019 by Timillustrator

Winsford Soul · April 9, 2019

7 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

Like the idea. Contemporary Soul.

As long as it's not on the contempo label.

Steve

Soulfusion · April 9, 2019

Yes Ste but will it be still be contemporary in ten years time? ...... :wink:

Mark R · April 9, 2019

2 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Lisa Stansfield . Ticks all the boxes of this weird and wonderful scene and it's a 90,s release. Classed as modern ? In the context of this thread yes,

I love it

Steve

Oooohhhh nooooo!!

Cheers,

Mark R

Mark R · April 9, 2019

2 hours ago, steviehay said:

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were putting a modern night on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers

Agreed, sadly Northern people who put modern rooms on just DO NOT get this! Just stick to the Northern if Modern is not your game and you don't fully understand it!

Cheers,

Mark R

Geeselad · April 9, 2019

2 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

I see a parallel here with architecture - "Modern" architecture was a style (of variety of styles) that became prevalent from the 20's to the 60's. Since then some architects still designed in the style but most moved on and built on the foundations and changed it into something else. In architecture "Postmodern" then became the term and now there's even more labels. So both "Modern" and "Postmodern" architecture are historical styles "Contemporary" is sometimes now used but probably even more meaningless, well I think it's similar. "Postmodern soul" anyone?

I've made a similar piont about mods.

Geeselad · April 9, 2019

Transplant the same kind of unheard artist's from the 60's to now and they definitely wouldn't be releasing there low budget but creative recordings on vinyl.

Mark R · April 9, 2019

Just fantastic........ever so slightly raw and messy, a punchy old skool sounding house production.......proper 21st century soul!! Digital only at the moment...........though I have a feeling this mix will be on the RSD 12" double pack from Good Vibrations Music this weekend. As f@cking essential as it gets.........

Cheers,

Mark R

Colnago · April 9, 2019

2 hours ago, steviehay said:

Yep would have to agree full heartfelt on this one there are however two aspects on this ,out and out DJs whom have delved into there hard earned cash record boxes do my fcuking head in were putting a modern night on.....no Cdjs, no USB,no tablet,laptop 3/4 of the modern scene is now made up of digital media not vinyl unfortunately, which is a shame so you then get deprived of hearing the latest or digital stuff never put out on the plastic stuff so yep think the days when it crosses over to the northern room are slowly dying a slow death ( hooray say some ) but then we have ......carvers

Yep couldn’t agree more , how people deprive themselves just because they came out on cd in their original format, I might add . I thought back in the day when some venues did plug in the CD player that the scene would have progressed onto this being the norm , it’s seems the thread got dropped along the way , there’s loads of great titles and they are peanuts and some of them can or are quite rare to get hold off .

Edited April 9, 2019 by Colnago

Colnago · April 9, 2019

Peanuts , literally!!! Mr m&m man , course it’s been played here and there , but I’m sure the more northern type venues would’ve picked up on these types if they wasn’t on the god forbid CD ps it’s not brand new modern modern lol

Edited April 9, 2019 by Colnago

Winsford Soul · April 9, 2019

59 minutes ago, Mark R said:

Oooohhhh nooooo!!

Cheers,

Mark R

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room, lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such. So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.

Chalky · April 9, 2019

22 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room, lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such. So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.

I remember Brian Goucher playing Lisa as a pre-release, I think

Wendy Thompson · April 9, 2019

1 hour ago, geeselad said:

I've made a similar piont about mods.

Edited April 9, 2019 by Wendy Thompson

Mark R · April 9, 2019

32 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Mark. Didn't it get played in bretby modern room, lowton modern room as a new release if I remember correctly.

This thread is about what's modern classed as. the general opinion anything from the 70,s onwards by the majority of northern soulies is classed as such. So Lisa Stansfield certainly fits that remit.

I know mate, fair comment on all counts......I'm just not keen myself! LOL

Cheers,

Mark R

April 9, 2019

10 minutes ago, Wendy Thompson said:

Dunno but just maybe is Busy Earnin Jungle (Toyota Advert) a candidate for Postmodern Soul??

my kids were into this a few years ago so it's an oldie now and pop to boot

Winsford Soul · April 9, 2019

16 minutes ago, Mark R said:

I know mate, fair comment on all counts......I'm just not keen myself! LOL

Cheers,

Mark R

Fair play mate.

I would Marry Lisa if she asked me

Steve

Mark R · April 9, 2019

2 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Fair play mate.

I would Marry Lisa if she asked me

Steve

Ah well, that's a different matter!

Cheers,

Mark R

April 9, 2019

On 06/04/2019 at 08:12, tomangoes said:

But in the last 30 years I don't see any significant change in beat or style, just replication of what's been before

got this on 12" and heard it played out, you reckon this is any diferent? I'm an 'across the board' type so not really interested in whether something is northern or modern scene stuff, this one is a 2004 release getting recent spins

Edited April 9, 2019 by Shufflin

Soulfusion · April 9, 2019

That Jasper Street Co. cut is what I consider to be soulful house. Personally I find a lot of the 'beats' employed in house somewhat formulaic with the occasional tune elevated by the quality of the vocalist(s).