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There no attempt of soul in Stop Girl as it's a rock song.....

TMOAGT at least tries harmony....ive always liked it.

The 'other ' Arctic/Atlantic Ambassadors should have sung it, and I'm sure it would have been perfect!

 

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Agreed Ste. Even 5 decades after the event people are still under the illusion that Northern Soul has to be performed by a Brother from the Ghetto.. 

Always liked it along with Burning Bush / Wakefield Sun Etc 

Casino memories.  I was lucky enough to own a original.  I consider it a hard / rare  record . but the Soul police would consider it white pop crap.  If you where there you would understand.  Ste

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26 minutes ago, Soul-Slider said:

All I know is, Rick Reardon appeared in both groups. See bottom credits on Ambassadors 'B' side for vocals...

ambassadors-pee-vee-whole-lotta-soul-pee-vee.thumb.jpg.c46a5f4455a96a37fe67ca5b459f598f.jpg 

 

7 Dwarfs -  Sharon Herr(also on Keyboards),Rick Reardon,Ronnie Keene,John Helm and Jerry Ransing and with band members Denny Groff on guitar and Charlie Evans in Percussion.
 

Ambassadors  -  Bill Parmer (bass), Bobby Bitts. (drummer), Bob Weaver and Mike Sultzbach (sax), Tony Purcell (trumpet), Don Hodgen & Rick Reardon (vocals), Burton (piano), Eric Spitzer (guitar).

Isnt steve saying there are 2 different groups both called 7 dwarves ?

no question that ambassadors were originally called 7 dwarves but as this record being discussed is later its likely to be a different seven dwarves ?

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15 minutes ago, speedlimit said:

Even the spelling of dwarfs (dwarves) is different so I also suspect they are two different groups 

I agree, but the photo I have posted up is the line-up here:

7 Dwarfs -  Sharon Herr(also on Keyboards),Rick Reardon,Ronnie Keene,John Helm and Jerry Ransing and with band members Denny Groff on guitar and Charlie Evans in Percussion.

The photo clearly say's Dwarfs on their promotional board. Rick Reardon was in both groups. However, the photo may or may not be the 'Stop Girl' group? I guess someone needs to find Rick 😉  

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Dwarf is the singular and dwarves is the plural.

Might it be dwarfs is a typo? And they are the same group.

A bit like there's no such group as the Twans, just a printing error for the Swans.

Ed

 

 

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6 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Dwarf is the singular and dwarves is the plural.

Might it be dwarfs is a typo? And they are the same group.

A bit like there's no such group as the Twans, just a printing error for the Swans.

Ed

 

 

But both have an “s” and are therefore plural even if spelt wrong. 

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11 hours ago, Soul-Slider said:

All I know is, Rick Reardon appeared in both groups. See bottom credits on Ambassadors 'B' side for vocals...

ambassadors-pee-vee-whole-lotta-soul-pee-vee.thumb.jpg.c46a5f4455a96a37fe67ca5b459f598f.jpg 

 

7 Dwarfs -  Sharon Herr(also on Keyboards),Rick Reardon,Ronnie Keene,John Helm and Jerry Ransing and with band members Denny Groff on guitar and Charlie Evans in Percussion.
 

Ambassadors  -  Bill Parmer (bass), Bobby Bitts. (drummer), Bob Weaver and Mike Sultzbach (sax), Tony Purcell (trumpet), Don Hodgen & Rick Reardon (vocals), Burton (piano), Eric Spitzer (guitar).

Is it me just getting "old", or does that mean that the 7 Dwarfs (apart from Rick) were a totally different group :) Can you help with where info has come from please

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3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Is it me just getting "old", or does that mean that the 7 Dwarfs (apart from Rick) were a totally different group :) Can you help with where info has come from please

They aren’t the same group.  It’s like saying the Rolling Stones were once the Faces.

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I'm getting rather grumpy at the continuation of this thread and am more than happy to see it's conclusion. As a bashful individual who generally  refrains from this sort of interaction, i'd rather leave it to others to make dopey comments, regardless of how sleepy i get reading them! Well, it's time to conclude this....i'm off to see my doc, it appears a viral strain is doing the rounds and i'm becoming quite sneezy as a result!!

So until the next time, ktf!

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The "7 Dwarfs" who recorded "Stop Girl" were from Norvelt, PA - About 200 miles West of Lancaster, PA where the "Ambassadors" were from - It is still feasable that one of the "Ambassadors" relocated and reformed the "7 dwarfs" with a different line up 

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2 hours ago, Okehsoul1952 said:

I'm getting rather grumpy at the continuation of this thread and am more than happy to see it's conclusion.

Then we can all live happily ever after.

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15 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Dwarf is the singular and dwarves is the plural.

Might it be dwarfs is a typo? And they are the same group.

A bit like there's no such group as the Twans, just a printing error for the Swans.

Ed

 

 

Sorry Ed, but need to correct you on both points.

Dwarfs IS the correct traditional plural for dwarf. It is only dwarves when used in fantasy fiction, such as Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings' (https://grammarist.com/usage/dwarfs-dwarves/). However, the group (or groups?) may not have known this, and a typo could still be involved.

Also, Twans is the correct name for the 'I Can't See Him Again' girl group from Florida; as referenced on here in 2012 by Roburt's excellent posts:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/220335-wanted-info-or-any-pictures-of-the-twans/#comment-1693783

Cheers,

Peter

 

 

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20 hours ago, Patto said:

Thanks mate ive sent him an e mail to reserve it hope i have nailed it finally

Nah i was too  late and missed it again 

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1 hour ago, Peter Richer said:

Sorry Ed, but need to correct you on both points.

Dwarfs IS the correct traditional plural for dwarf. It is only dwarves when used in fantasy fiction, such as Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings' (https://grammarist.com/usage/dwarfs-dwarves/). However, the group (or groups?) may not have known this, and a typo could still be involved.

Also, Twans is the correct name for the 'I Can't See Him Again' girl group from Florida; as referenced on here in 2012 by Roburt's excellent posts:

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/topic/220335-wanted-info-or-any-pictures-of-the-twans/#comment-1693783

Cheers,

Peter

 

 

Amazing then how 3 more records on Dade were by the Swans, and only one by the Twans.

The World At Night?

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Twan. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.Twan is a Dutch masculine given name. It is a phonetic spelling of "Toine", short for "Antoine", the French form of Anthony/Antonius

If somebody knows for sure.....fine.....

Just looking for possible reasons why similar sounding names do not necessarily link them.

Ed

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5 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Amazing then how 3 more records on Dade were by the Swans, and only one by the Twans.

The World At Night?

or

Twan. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.Twan is a Dutch masculine given name. It is a phonetic spelling of "Toine", short for "Antoine", the French form of Anthony/Antonius

If somebody knows for sure.....fine.....

Just looking for possible reasons why similar sounding names do not necessarily link them.

Ed

Don't know if this helps

"Female vocal soul trio from Miami, Florida. Active in the mid 60s. 
Discovered by Blackpool Mecca DJ Ian Levine on one of his regular US trips to Miami in 1975, this became a massive sound at Wigan Casino in 1977. A typical mid 60s girlie group sound so popular at the time which sounded great in big all-nighter halls. I'm not sure of the year it was issued but would guess around 1964/65. 
The Twans are a mystery and it is not known if they ever released anything else. According to Jeff Lemlich (author of 'Savage Lost' a 416 page book covering the music scene in Miami in the 60s) in a comment in response to Colin Dilnot's article, The Twans were one of many Miami girl groups of the 60s and one of the singers replaced Annette Snell ('It's All Over Now' Epic) as lead singer of The Fabulettes ('The Bigger They Are The Harder They Fall' fame). You can read more about Annette Snell 
Written by Brad Shapiro and Steve Alaimo and issued on Henry Stone's Dade label, this is the most elusive record to find on the label. According to Jeff Lemlich this is the only Miami girl group record that he does not own and he has never been able to find it despite living in Miami all his life!"

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35 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Amazing then how 3 more records on Dade were by the Swans, and only one by the Twans.

The World At Night?

or

Twan. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.Twan is a Dutch masculine given name. It is a phonetic spelling of "Toine", short for "Antoine", the French form of Anthony/Antonius

If somebody knows for sure.....fine.....

Just looking for possible reasons why similar sounding names do not necessarily link them.

Ed

The Nat Kendrick & The Swans were all male from what I can see, The Twans female obviously.  Two of the Swan 45 sides are instrumental with just the odd male interjection.  Haven’t bothered listening to any others. 

How did we get on to the Twans? 🙄😳

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24 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The Nat Kendrick & The Swans were all male from what I can see, The Twans female obviously.  Two of the Swan 45 sides are instrumental with just the odd male interjection.  Haven’t bothered listening to any others. 

How did we get on to the Twans? 🙄😳

I think it was the name thing, but I agree should be a different thread

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Wow!!    But l do like      too much of a good thing  😕🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶😲

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