Soul Majestics Al-Tog & Chicago Music Bag

[Tlscapital 750]

Hi would anyone know which one actually came out first ? Often it is quoted the Music Chicago Bag to be first but I see no evidence to that. Anyone would know better ? With a story about it maybe...

 

[Robbk 2,481]

I lived in Chicago part of the year back then.  I seem to remember seeing the Chicago Music Bag record out a year or two before the Al-Tog.  Al-Tog was a bigger concern, with better distribution.  It seems to me there were a LOT more Al-Tog pressings around for a longer period, too.  There were also a lot more different artists' releases out on Al-Tog Records, which even distributed a couple other labels.  Al-Tog also had a production group and an office.  I think Chicago Music Bag was just operated out of the owner/producer's home at the time.  He already used the Al-Tog production team name, but, I think he had not yet rented office space.  I used to know who "Al" was, - but have forgotten that.  Can someone here clue us in on who Jackson, Williams, McFarland, and Smokey Hampton were?  We all know who Johnny Cameron was.  Interesting that they published the song through The Scott Brothers' music publishing firm.

[Kev Cane 3,419]

8 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

Hi would anyone know which one actually came out first ? Often it is quoted the Music Chicago Bag to be first but I see no evidence to that. Anyone would know better ? With a story about it maybe...

 

Just to reiterate what Robb said, the Sweet Soul collectors go after the flip, the awesome "I Done Told You So" and they all say that the Chicago Music Bag is the original

Regards

Kev

[Tlscapital 750]

The man I expected to intervene... So predictive :)) Thanks for all of that Robbk.

[Only Dreaming 176]

I remember the first time I played my copy of "Missing You" & being blown away by the incredible production on the record. 

Dave

[Blackpoolsoul 1,094]

5 hours ago, Robbk said:

I lived in Chicago part of the year back then.  I seem to remember seeing the Chicago Music Bag record out a year or two before the Al-Tog.  Al-Tog was a bigger concern, with better distribution.  It seems to me there were a LOT more Al-Tog pressings around for a longer period, too.  There were also a lot more different artists' releases out on Al-Tog Records, which even distributed a couple other labels.  Al-Tog also had a production group and an office.  I think Chicago Music Bag was just operated out of the owner/producer's home at the time.  He already used the Al-Tog production team name, but, I think he had not yet rented office space.  I used to know who "Al" was, - but have forgotten that.  Can someone here clue us in on who Jackson, Williams, McFarland, and Smokey Hampton were?  We all know who Johnny Cameron was.  Interesting that they published the song through The Scott Brothers' music publishing firm.

Robb, AL was Al Altog who wrote for Judson Moore and The Scott Brothers, so that lends a clue.

Smokey Hampton is Vandy Hampton who (If memory serves me right was in The Soul Majestics and I think The Impressions and The Chi-Lites on Inphasion Records, at one time).

John Jackson, Bill McFarland and Clarence Williams were also involved with Alvin Cash and The Scott Brothers Orchestra (Toddlin' Town) if it is indeed that trio

 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul

[Tlscapital 750]

6 hours ago, Kev Cane said:

Just to reiterate what Robb said, the Sweet Soul collectors go after the flip, the awesome "I Done Told You So" and they all say that the Chicago Music Bag is the original

Regards

Kev

My "soft spot" has also always been for the 'I hove done told you baby' side. Those screen captures are just for references. 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Tlscapital

[Blackpoolsoul 1,094]

On 07/08/2019 at 08:39, Robbk said:

I lived in Chicago part of the year back then.  I seem to remember seeing the Chicago Music Bag record out a year or two before the Al-Tog.  Al-Tog was a bigger concern, with better distribution.  It seems to me there were a LOT more Al-Tog pressings around for a longer period, too.  There were also a lot more different artists' releases out on Al-Tog Records, which even distributed a couple other labels.  Al-Tog also had a production group and an office.  I think Chicago Music Bag was just operated out of the owner/producer's home at the time.  He already used the Al-Tog production team name, but, I think he had not yet rented office space.  I used to know who "Al" was, - but have forgotten that.  Can someone here clue us in on who Jackson, Williams, McFarland, and Smokey Hampton were?  We all know who Johnny Cameron was.  Interesting that they published the song through The Scott Brothers' music publishing firm.

Just found out that the Williams is in fact Dean Williams who in 1977 joined Heaven & Earth (replacing Michael Brown as lead)

He was recently performing as Herdine

https://www.jango.com/music/HERDINE

Another part of the puzzle done

Edited February 18, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Blackpoolsoul 1,094]

On 07/08/2019 at 08:39, Robbk said:

I lived in Chicago part of the year back then.  I seem to remember seeing the Chicago Music Bag record out a year or two before the Al-Tog.  Al-Tog was a bigger concern, with better distribution.  It seems to me there were a LOT more Al-Tog pressings around for a longer period, too.  There were also a lot more different artists' releases out on Al-Tog Records, which even distributed a couple other labels.  Al-Tog also had a production group and an office.  I think Chicago Music Bag was just operated out of the owner/producer's home at the time.  He already used the Al-Tog production team name, but, I think he had not yet rented office space.  I used to know who "Al" was, - but have forgotten that.  Can someone here clue us in on who Jackson, Williams, McFarland, and Smokey Hampton were?  We all know who Johnny Cameron was.  Interesting that they published the song through The Scott Brothers' music publishing firm.

Just found this note on you tube video made by his wife Marie Johnson 6 years ago referring to The Soul Majestics (maybe this was after they recorded though)

"TC. Stanley Anderson who sang with the group in 1972. He went to The Chi-Lites for a short while. He died in Perivale Middlesex, England, because he couldn't receive a heart transplant."

[Soulstrutter 410]

On 07/08/2019 at 02:09, Tlscapital said:

Hi would anyone know which one actually came out first ? Often it is quoted the Music Chicago Bag to be first but I see no evidence to that. Anyone would know better ? With a story about it maybe...

There's a comment on SoulHawk's  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5m0gXGl5hU) posting of 'I Done Told You' from Kandice Jackson stating 'There are three of us left, from the group. Kandy, Johnny, and Ronnie.'  Perhaps she can confirm if you reply to her? I've got their other Al-Tog outing which is nothing like the two on this 45 ... a bit messy sounds a bit to me like Mad Dog & The Pups - Why Did You leave Me Girl . .. but has a strange charm