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5 hours ago, Drewtg said:

HI folks.

Is there a reason why nobody is wearing masks when outside? I know that they are not 100% effective, but they are better than nothing. Nurses wear them.

Over here, you can't go to a public place without wearing a mask.

Public Health England has advised people against wearing face masks as there is “very little evidence” that they are effective “outside of clinical settings” such as hospitals.

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20 minutes ago, Chalky said:

They have said that you only really need a mask if you have the virus or working in the firing line, NHS etc.  Most are ineffective anyway as the virus is largely transmitted via surface contact.  

And a mask without protection for your eyes is no use, eyes nose and mouth are entry points,  keep your hands off your face basically. 

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3 minutes ago, Leicester Boy said:

And a mask without protection for your eyes is no use, eyes nose and mouth are entry points,  keep your hands off your face basically. 

 

4 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

Public Health England has advised people against wearing face masks as there is “very little evidence” that they are effective “outside of clinical settings” such as hospitals.

There does seem to be different conflicting advice and here is an interesting recent link

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

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23 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

 

There does seem to be different conflicting advice and here is an interesting recent link

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html

It's constantly changing though! PHE still (As of 2 minutes ago) said "Face masks play a very important role in clinical settings, such as hospitals but there’s very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use outside of these clinical settings. Facemasks must be worn correctly, changed frequently, removed properly and disposed of safely in order to be effective."

Good enough for me.

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There isn't enough to go round for the people on the front line , all we need now is people wearing them needlessly on the streets.

 

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I have 7 masks here at work, which I was going to donate to a care home or somewhere. Turns out that my sister (a cancer nurse) is going back to work to help next week, so I have told her to take them with her.

I'm with the comments above - These few masks will be better used on the front line, rather than by me going shopping for more crisps for the kids.

Len :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, Shinehead said:

There isn't enough to go round for the people on the front line , all we need now is people wearing them needlessly on the streets.

 

Unbelievable, it's like Soweto.

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1 hour ago, Len said:

I have 7 masks here at work, which I was going to donate to a care home or somewhere. Turns out that my sister (a cancer nurse) is going back to work to help next week, so I have told her to take them with her.

I'm with the comments above - These few masks will be better used on the front line, rather than by me going shopping for more crisps for the kids.

Len :thumbsup:

Best of luck and health to your sister and thousands of others in the NHS and the poorly paid care workers in the private sector.

This government should hang its head in shame at the ppe and testing response , everyone could see this virus escalating around the world so how the f**k we got caught out heaven knows.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Shinehead said:

Best of luck and health to your sister and thousands of others in the NHS and the poorly paid care workers in the private sector.

This government should hang its head in shame at the ppe and testing response , everyone could see this virus escalating around the world so how the f**k we got caught out heaven knows.

 

 

They got seduced by economists who think they (a) understand how people behave, and (b) can model that behaviour with pinpoint accuracy:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/absolutely-wrong-how-uk-coronavirus-test-strategy-unravelled

This is not a problem unique to public health, but it's very disturbing to see this kind of total confidence masquerading as expertise being used to trample over tried and tested methods that have served well for decades. Ministers and unelected dalek seduced by the promise of a quick fix.

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Masks also stop you touching your mouth and nose, and make you think before you do things. Even a bandana is better than nothing. Think about it.

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I agree ref the touching of your own face.  I'd never thought about it before - I made a delivery the other day, I put the goods outside, pressed the door bell and got inside my van. The store-man moaned (as they usually do)......"What you couldn't be bothered to bring the bits inside?"......I told him that my Mrs had been in London a while back, so I didn't want to risk other people - That's when his attitude suddenly changed.

After he put the items inside, I noticed that he immediately touched his face.

Although lots of people are taking this seriously, some still aren't - I rang the painters, asked them to put my goods outside and shut the door, he said....."Bit extreme init Len?"........I said the same thing about my Mrs having been in London etc - Again, his attitude also suddenly changed once I'd said that.

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We, are naturally hard wired to touch our faces in all kinds of situations, mainly subconsciously and although we know it`s the main way this virus is transmitted we just can`t help it, especially those of us with facial hair. 🙊 Best to keep your hands occupied.

 

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tonight 8 pm

 

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4 hours ago, Drewtg said:

Masks also stop you touching your mouth and nose, and make you think before you do things. Even a bandana is better than nothing. Think about it.

A bandana is practically useless after a few minutes.  It will get damp with your breath and any contaminants in the air will get through. The same will happen with the paper masks. 

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I've ordered a set of washable cotton face masks for the family from here:

https://www.lancashiretextiles.co.uk/made-in-britain

Good firm, good people doing what they can. I don't reckon they'll offer much protection, but a major factor in all this, as the medics very much agree, is morale. If these help, then they'll have done their job.

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Pure Class . 

 

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This is a hard one.  Totally agree the NHS/Carers come first, with whatever kit is available.  However, self preservation kicks in, as with the hoarding, and it is hard to get most people to look beyond themselves/family.

Re how effective are they, hard to be sure, but the evidence from Asian countries where they wear them when they have a cold etc, shows they may be better than nothing.  My gut feeling is the fact that these countries were geared up, for such an outbreak, following SARS coupled with their ability to enforce a lockdown, rather than the West's seemingly relaxed attitude, is why the potential impact will be worse here.  I just pray i'm wrong.  

The bottom line is coping with something like this costs money and the bulk of the population would have thrown their hands up in the air if someone had said before the last election, we will raise income taxes by 2p, to buy lots of equipment which may never be used in case of a potential pandemic.  I have seen some articles basically agreeing with the Brazilian president and Sweden to some extent, which is put most crudely survival of the fittest.

 

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Pure Class . 

 

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What a measured reply well thought out 

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Just now, Soulfulmerlin said:

What a measured reply well thought out 

Many thanks, apart from music and sport, life has taught me to try and take emotions out of my thought process, hasn't always happened but seems to work for me, probably comes back to respect your neighbour.  May have been helped by third listen to Bill Withers live at Carnegie Hall in the last 16 hrs.  

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On 03/04/2020 at 01:11, Chalky said:

A bandana is practically useless after a few minutes.  It will get damp with your breath and any contaminants in the air will get through. The same will happen with the paper masks. 

My province of Sichuan has a population of 80,000,000. Face covering was/is compulsory in public places. We've had 600 cases and 3 deaths. A lot wore bandanas because masks ran a bit short.

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7 minutes ago, Drewtg said:

My province of Sichuan has a population of 80,000,000. Face covering was/is compulsory in public places. We've had 600 cases and 3 deaths. A lot wore bandanas because masks ran a bit short.

My son lives in Taiwan & masks are compulsory there too. Incoming flights are restricted - none at all allowed from a long list of heavily-infected countries (UK being one of them) & all incoming passengers from permitted flights automatically have to go into 14 days quarantine. My son is working pretty much as normal, but by law has to record his temperature twice daily & he could also be stopped at random by officials to check his temperature. All students ( he lectures at uni)  have to use hand sanitizer several times a day. There are also extremely hefty fines for anyone breaking the quarantine laws - I read of an 18yr-old caught going out clubbing when he should have been in quarantine & he was fined a million Taiwan dollars.

Their per capita infection/death rates are negligible compared to ours here in the west & life goes on - not quite as normal - but at least because of the restrictions in place Taiwan has taken control of the virus, rather than allowing the virus to take hold of Taiwan.

 

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39 minutes ago, Kathryn Magson said:

My son lives in Taiwan & masks are compulsory there too. Incoming flights are restricted - none at all allowed from a long list of heavily-infected countries (UK being one of them) & all incoming passengers from permitted flights automatically have to go into 14 days quarantine. My son is working pretty much as normal, but by law has to record his temperature twice daily & he could also be stopped at random by officials to check his temperature. All students ( he lectures at uni)  have to use hand sanitizer several times a day. There are also extremely hefty fines for anyone breaking the quarantine laws - I read of an 18yr-old caught going out clubbing when he should have been in quarantine & he was fined a million Taiwan dollars.

Their per capita infection/death rates are negligible compared to ours here in the west & life goes on - not quite as normal - but at least because of the restrictions in place Taiwan has taken control of the virus, rather than allowing the virus to take hold of Taiwan.

 

Similar here in China, but no fines. Also, if you go into a public building - supermarket, restaurant, housing complex - you scan a qr code on your phone so that if someone is found to have the virus, the authorities can track those who potentially came into contact. It's breaking my heart to watch what is happening in England. A dead business can be resuscitated, a dead person can't.

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We had a pandemic test a few years ago but the results haven't been published in full, wonder what they are hiding?

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BBC News Summary

Summary

Worldwide cases have passed 1.1 million, and at least 60,000 people have died

Spain reports another 809 deaths, but there are signs its infection rate is slowing

A day of remembrance is held in China to honour those who died of Covid-19

UK reports 708 more deaths, with public urged to stay at home as weather turns warm this weekend

UK government scientific adviser says he hopes restrictions may be relaxed in a few weeks' time

US President Trump rejects his own experts' advice on wearing a face mask

The US has been accused of redirecting masks for its own use, in a move condemned as "piracy"

The IMF says the pandemic has stalled the global economy, causing a recession worse than 2008

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52163523

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The Queen's message (Aired 8.00pm tonight)

Len :thumbsup:

 

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tonight 20:00hrs...

 

Join us at 8pm to #ClapForCarers

While most of us #StayHome, our fantastic NHS and social care staff continue to travel to work to support us and save lives.

With thanks to @JCDecaux_UK and @TalonOOH, we are thanking them on screens across the country #ClapOurCarers

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Steve Lane said:

Cheers Steve . Hope all is well Linda and yourself .

Nothing like bit of good news .

Take care 

Dave 

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Go Boris Go

ML

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15 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

It seems that care home deaths from covid are not being reported properly:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/covid-19-hundreds-of-uk-care-home-deaths-not-added-to-official-toll

They did the same thing here in France. Now they count them.

 About counting can we believe that in China there were only 3300 deaths ?

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Philippe said:

They did the same thing here in France. Now they count them.

 About counting can we believe that in China there were only 3300 deaths ?

Doctor Hillary (From the morning television) was asked this, and he said....."I wouldn't believe a word coming out of that country".....

Len :thumbsup:

 

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A mate of mine has been in hospital battling Cancer for months. He's in a bad way but finally got accepted for some new T-Cell treatment which is still under trial, and was taken to Guys Hospital in London.

Once Corona Virus hit, his wife Margaret was given the option of staying with him or going home, as no visiting would be allowed. She stayed.  Untill he tested positive for Corona Virus yesterday, which he must have contracted in the hospital. He was immediately wheeled off to another part of the hospital and she was left to collect her things together and go home.  No test for her, which I find hard to understand.

Thoughts are with you Bob. Keep fighting mate.

- Kev

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Mickey Finn said:

Yep, that is good news. But I wonder if the figure of 18,000 ventilators needed, includes the number required to replace those recently removed from the ambulance fleet and redesignated for hospital use.

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4 hours ago, Len said:

Doctor Hillary (From the morning television) was asked this, and he said....."I wouldn't believe a word coming out of that country".....

Len :thumbsup:

 

Unlike the celebrity TV Doctor Hilary, I'm not privy to the data released to the WHO, but I can tell you two things. Firstly the Chinese immediately imposed a full lockdown, which the UK have still failed to do. I know people in my city who have had the virus and I know people who know other virus victims, none of whom died. Secondly, as the extent of the UK governments abysmal failure becomes even more apparent, there will be a lot more finger pointing by the media in order to distract from the real fraudsters - Doris and Co.

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14 minutes ago, Drewtg said:

Unlike the celebrity TV Doctor Hilary, I'm not privy to the data released to the WHO, but I can tell you two things. Firstly the Chinese immediately imposed a full lockdown, which the UK have still failed to do. I know people in my city who have had the virus and I know people who know other virus victims, none of whom died. Secondly, as the extent of the UK governments abysmal failure becomes even more apparent, there will be a lot more finger pointing by the media in order to distract from the real fraudsters - Doris and Co.

Who knows which figures are correct from which countries - We are all people, and we all want the world to get through this.

Best of luck to you over there.

Len :thumbsup:

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Considering how it's basically the whole of humanity that's threatened by this virus it is extremely unhelpful and even dangerous to play any kind of blame game at this point, since any people we're currently blaming might be our saviours one day. Obviously not everyone gets it even now (e.g. Trump), but the fact is that to beat this we need each other's cooperation and support. Worldwide.

Personally I am delighted that Boris Johnson seems to be recovering. Regardless of whatever political differences, he's got children who need a father - not nearly as easily replaced as a PM.

As for Chinese diet, it was well put by someone else earlier in this discussion that if you are poor you take your meat where you find it. Britain is the country that gave the world BSE only 25 years ago, and more recently we discovered we were getting horse meat instead of beef, so it's wise to be less finger pointing nationalistically about this and more focused on doing what's necessary to beat this. All those politicians concerned about food hygiene might start focusing on doing whatever it takes to increase Britain's own self-sufficiency in food, and making sure that farmers don't go bust.

The UK tabloid press are a disgrace and not fit for purpose. Entertainment is one thing, and no surprise if there's political disagreement, but the sheer childishness of much their "fearless" questioning and sensationalism should make them hang their heads in shame. The Daily Telegraph, a pale shadow of its once great self and now a wannabe tabloid, spends months repeating the message that the sun shines out of Johnson's proverbial, but then suddenly switches and with great glee reports that the cabinet is a dysfunctional mob of rabid cats. Shockeroonie! Who would have thought? Politicians play along, using the press to brief against each other, or civil servants who can't fight back, instead of the press doing its duty and revealing the spineless politicians undermining the machinery of government just when it's needed most.

I hope Boris Johnson has had sufficient time to reflect on what might have been his legacy had he not had the strength to pull through, and starts to measure up to the example of his hero Churchill, whose patchy career before the Second World War did not prevent him from rising to the challenge of keeping the country together when given the chance. I believe he's capable of doing it, unlike almost all his cabinet, but it will require some major changes to his team and priorities for him to be successful.

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1 hour ago, Drewtg said:

Unlike the celebrity TV Doctor Hilary, I'm not privy to the data released to the WHO, but I can tell you two things. Firstly the Chinese immediately imposed a full lockdown, which the UK have still failed to do. I know people in my city who have had the virus and I know people who know other virus victims, none of whom died. Secondly, as the extent of the UK governments abysmal failure becomes even more apparent, there will be a lot more finger pointing by the media in order to distract from the real fraudsters - Doris and Co.

There`s always one pratt that has to go party-political.😡 

Disgraceful comments in my opinion!

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1 minute ago, Steve Lane said:

There`s always one pratt that has to go party-political.😡 

Disgraceful comments in my opinion!

Yes in full agreement, but too frightened to respond, seems I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Stephen 

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1 hour ago, Drewtg said:

Unlike the celebrity TV Doctor Hilary, I'm not privy to the data released to the WHO, but I can tell you two things. Firstly the Chinese immediately imposed a full lockdown, which the UK have still failed to do. I know people in my city who have had the virus and I know people who know other virus victims, none of whom died. Secondly, as the extent of the UK governments abysmal failure becomes even more apparent, there will be a lot more finger pointing by the media in order to distract from the real fraudsters - Doris and Co.

The real fraudsters, you having a laugh without the actions of the Chinese government we wouldn't be in this position in the first place, maybe people in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones, your a disgrace mate.

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2 hours ago, Len said:

We are all people, and we all want the world to get through this.

Best of luck to you over there.

Len :thumbsup:

Best of luck to everyone - Let's not go down this road.

Cheers,

Len :thumbsup:

 

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While I was in the garden I thought about those mass graves in New York.  It dawned on me that over the years we have watched some awful tragedies from across the world, but have become somewhat desensitized to these stories.

We are all now part of this terrible story, and those mass graves really bought it home to me - Does anyone know where they are exactly?

Len :thumbsup:

 

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Latest BBC News

Summary

Global death toll now over 100,000, says Johns Hopkins University

The UK death toll has increased by 980 to reach a total of 8,958, England's Health Secretary Matt Hancock says

PM Boris Johnson "able to do short walks" as part of his recovery

Ireland is extending its coronavirus restrictions until 5 May

Christians marking Good Friday are urged to stay at home

Housing Secretary for England Robert Jenrick defends his travel moves amid reports he flouted rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52239925

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The photos of the mass graves in New York of people who have died and have no identification....certainly show how bad things are..

Ed

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It sure does Ed.

This evening a mate told me that a morgue is being constucted near a village where I used to live, because it is about half way between two hospitals.  

So many people are working their socks off for the cause - We have the easy bit of 'staying at home'.

Len :thumbsup:

 

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7 hours ago, Steve Lane said:

There`s always one pratt that has to go party-political.😡 

Disgraceful comments in my opinion!

So sorry about that, I got carried away. Could you give me a nudge when I'm allowed to start criticising the government? No hurry.

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