Charles Brandy - still a mystery (to me)

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

Rare thing on Demo only (I think)

Is the the other scan (issue) a boot ? Phil Enthucol ? has been selling these (and lots of other boots ?)

I never managed to find out who Charles is / was

I see Robert Banks arranged and think that the writers may be 

Johnny Northern, Andre Montell  and JR Bailey ?

Any more info please to rest my tiny mind

 

Edited March 26 by Blackpoolsoul

[Speedlimit 892]

The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. 

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

3 minutes ago, Speedlimit said:

The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. 

An issue, never seen one  ask Mick, please, if that was one of the ones he found in his garage (down the back of some shelving !!!)

[Mick Holdsworth 380]

When this turned up un the late seventies ( I think John M turned it up on on one of his unknown tapes), I only ever saw Blue / Yellow issues. I don't recall any white demos, but clearly they must have been around.

[Corbett80 714]

what a record

[Speedlimit 892]

3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

An issue, never seen one  ask Mick, please, if that was one of the ones he found in his garage (down the back of some shelving !!!)

 Will do I do seem to recall him playing an issue at the dome when I used to travel with him 

[Speedlimit 892]

2 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

When this turned up un the late seventies ( I think John M turned it up on on one of his unknown tapes), I only ever saw Blue / Yellow issues. I don't recall any white demos, but clearly they must have been around.

Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf  along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u  Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night 

 

Regards Steve 

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

1 hour ago, Speedlimit said:

Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf  along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u  Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night 

 

Regards Steve 

Will ask Dave, wondered where I had I heard it....The Palais, thanks

Edited March 26 by Blackpoolsoul

[Speedlimit 892]

Think I have a playlist from the night in a copy of the soul sauce mag Chris fletcher used to write somewhere I check when I get home. 

[Chalky 14,496]

I assumed it was a Dave Raistrick find and sold to (or a spare) Gary Rushbrooke who played it as Bob Relf

[Chalky 14,496]

5 hours ago, Speedlimit said:

The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. 

It got reissued, might have been for record store day?  The scan of the issue above is the reissue. 

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

1 minute ago, Chalky said:

It got reissued, might have been for record store day?  The scan of the issue above is the reissue. 

Wow I thought it was a boot ? thanks

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

9 minutes ago, Chalky said:

It got reissued, might have been for record store day?  The scan of the issue above is the reissue. 

Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned

[Chalky 14,496]

9 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned

Have you compared CB with a Robert Banks vocal?

Edited March 26 by Chalky

[Chalky 14,496]

Robert Banks is who I think he is....

 

Edited March 26 by Chalky

[Chalky 14,496]

14 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned

It might well be but Joe Boy have access to Blue Cat catalogue, think it was they who issued AdLibs on RSD. 

[Mick Holdsworth 380]

4 hours ago, Speedlimit said:

Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf  along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u  Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night 

 

Regards Steve 

You could be right Steve, my first hearing was a JM unknowns tape, but that could have been after Dave R.

[Speedlimit 892]

22 hours ago, Chalky said:

I assumed it was a Dave Raistrick find and sold to (or a spare) Gary Rushbrooke who played it as Bob Relf

Think it was a spare as Gary had the vondells off him at the same time. 

[Rick Cooper 472]

The other side of the disc, Without Your Love, is on a 2006 Goldmine CD ,Beat Ballad Heaven. Tim Brown's sleeve notes for the track state that the record was withdrawn as the publishing details were left off the stock copy labels. A scan of the label shows the left side of the label blank, without publishers name. Without checking I think OKeh often didn't have publishers name on stock copies so maybe not required except for promo records.

He also speculates that Charles Brandy could be Robert Banks, which judging by comparing the vocals sounds possible but without evidence I'd say it is just another unproven theory.

[Ficklefingers 178]

On 26/03/2020 at 15:18, Chalky said:

Robert Banks is who I think he is....

 

What a great shout @Chalky 

Very speculative, naturally.. but what a great shout !!

[Chalky 14,496]

16 minutes ago, Rick Cooper said:

The other side of the disc, Without Your Love, is on a 2006 Goldmine CD ,Beat Ballad Heaven. Tim Brown's sleeve notes for the track state that the record was withdrawn as the publishing details were left off the stock copy labels. A scan of the label shows the left side of the label blank, without publishers name. Without checking I think OKeh often didn't have publishers name on stock copies so maybe not required except for promo records.

He also speculates that Charles Brandy could be Robert Banks, which judging by comparing the vocals sounds possible but without evidence I'd say it is just another unproven theory.

 

1 minute ago, Ficklefingers said:

What a great shout @Chalky 

Very speculative, naturally.. but what a great shout !!

I have no proof and haven't read Tim's comments before.  I just compared the vocals of those on the credits to Charles.  Robert Banks definitely a contender in my opinion.

[Graham Anthony 18]

I think I have speculated in the past that it might be Charlie Rich-I think vocally very similar-but no evidence of course!

[Julianb 953]

Robert Banks - a Twisted Wheel sound

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

12 hours ago, Chalky said:

 

I have no proof and haven't read Tim's comments before.  I just compared the vocals of those on the credits to Charles.  Robert Banks definitely a contender in my opinion.

Hunting around and I am with Karl on this so far (brilliant that you lead me down this route), I found this article which mentions the Production (J.A.J.) on The Charles Brandy, Andre Motell (pictured) and makes sense as they are clearly the writers as in Tammy Wayne (Ansler/Andre Montell) and Kurtis Scott

I do wonder though how the RSD reissue ? managed to be so far out on the credit A. Merrill ?

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KBIEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=J.A.J.+Productions+mgm&source=bl&ots=3StDp0T0sS&sig=ACfU3U3NcxPXKky9jxi45HAjKgXq5eB3xA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwnI6SzrzoAhXRiVwKHeDzBdMQ6AEwG3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=J.A.J. Productions mgm&f=false

I wonder if this was him who has sadly passed away last year

http://www.royalfhmiami.com/obituary/6438638

https://www.facebook.com/1157345677662180/posts/sad-to-hear-that-mr-andre-montell-passed-away-he-is-a-music-legend-who-has-worke/2489121961151205/

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yTshAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA1262&lpg=PA1262&dq=ansler+montell+andre&source=bl&ots=R5_3EtEIMS&sig=ACfU3U2uCcAIHUPqjcVhLA4zJy90psTWUA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwloKN07zoAhXLgVwKHfsCAsQQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=ansler montell andre&f=false

 

Edited March 28 by Blackpoolsoul

[Edwin S Wales 55]

Hi all...absolutely love this tune...here's photos of my issue if it helps....

 

[Blackpoolsoul 869]

32 minutes ago, Edwin S Wales said:

Hi all...absolutely love this tune...here's photos of my issue if it helps....

 

Nice and the correct Andre Montell credit......at last, thanks

Edited March 28 by Blackpoolsoul

[SOULGLOW 2]

My copy the demo