Blackpoolsoul Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Rare thing on Demo only (I think) Is the the other scan (issue) a boot ? Phil Enthucol ? has been selling these (and lots of other boots ?) I never managed to find out who Charles is / was I see Robert Banks arranged and think that the writers may be Johnny Northern, Andre Montell and JR Bailey ? Any more info please to rest my tiny mind Edited March 26, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Speedlimit said: The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. An issue, never seen one ask Mick, please, if that was one of the ones he found in his garage (down the back of some shelving !!!) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 When this turned up un the late seventies ( I think John M turned it up on on one of his unknown tapes), I only ever saw Blue / Yellow issues. I don't recall any white demos, but clearly they must have been around. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Corbett80 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 what a record 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: An issue, never seen one ask Mick, please, if that was one of the ones he found in his garage (down the back of some shelving !!!) Will do I do seem to recall him playing an issue at the dome when I used to travel with him 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Mick Holdsworth said: When this turned up un the late seventies ( I think John M turned it up on on one of his unknown tapes), I only ever saw Blue / Yellow issues. I don't recall any white demos, but clearly they must have been around. Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night Regards Steve 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Speedlimit said: Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night Regards Steve Will ask Dave, wondered where I had I heard it....The Palais, thanks Edited March 26, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Think I have a playlist from the night in a copy of the soul sauce mag Chris fletcher used to write somewhere I check when I get home. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I assumed it was a Dave Raistrick find and sold to (or a spare) Gary Rushbrooke who played it as Bob Relf Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Speedlimit said: The issue label in the picture looks like a boot as the blue is to pale but I'm sure Mick H had a original issue of this and maybe Carl fortnum I'll check with them when I get home. I don't recall seeing any boots of this superb tune but nothings scared these days. It got reissued, might have been for record store day? The scan of the issue above is the reissue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Chalky said: It got reissued, might have been for record store day? The scan of the issue above is the reissue. Wow I thought it was a boot ? thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Chalky said: It got reissued, might have been for record store day? The scan of the issue above is the reissue. Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned Have you compared CB with a Robert Banks vocal? Edited March 26, 2020 by Chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Robert Banks is who I think he is.... Edited March 26, 2020 by Chalky 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Karl are you up on the credits I mentioned It might well be but Joe Boy have access to Blue Cat catalogue, think it was they who issued AdLibs on RSD. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Speedlimit said: Mick seem to think it was Dave Raistrick that found this as he was first to play it. Notts Palais nighters late 79 Covered as Bob Relf along with Elbie Parker c/u pookie Hudson eddy Jacobs exchange c/u Ronnie mcneir and a few others on the same night Regards Steve You could be right Steve, my first hearing was a JM unknowns tape, but that could have been after Dave R. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 22 hours ago, Chalky said: I assumed it was a Dave Raistrick find and sold to (or a spare) Gary Rushbrooke who played it as Bob Relf Think it was a spare as Gary had the vondells off him at the same time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Cooper Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 The other side of the disc, Without Your Love, is on a 2006 Goldmine CD ,Beat Ballad Heaven. Tim Brown's sleeve notes for the track state that the record was withdrawn as the publishing details were left off the stock copy labels. A scan of the label shows the left side of the label blank, without publishers name. Without checking I think OKeh often didn't have publishers name on stock copies so maybe not required except for promo records. He also speculates that Charles Brandy could be Robert Banks, which judging by comparing the vocals sounds possible but without evidence I'd say it is just another unproven theory. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ficklefingers Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 26/03/2020 at 15:18, Chalky said: Robert Banks is who I think he is.... What a great shout @Chalky Very speculative, naturally.. but what a great shout !! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rick Cooper said: The other side of the disc, Without Your Love, is on a 2006 Goldmine CD ,Beat Ballad Heaven. Tim Brown's sleeve notes for the track state that the record was withdrawn as the publishing details were left off the stock copy labels. A scan of the label shows the left side of the label blank, without publishers name. Without checking I think OKeh often didn't have publishers name on stock copies so maybe not required except for promo records. He also speculates that Charles Brandy could be Robert Banks, which judging by comparing the vocals sounds possible but without evidence I'd say it is just another unproven theory. 1 minute ago, Ficklefingers said: What a great shout @Chalky Very speculative, naturally.. but what a great shout !! I have no proof and haven't read Tim's comments before. I just compared the vocals of those on the credits to Charles. Robert Banks definitely a contender in my opinion. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Graham Anthony Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I think I have speculated in the past that it might be Charlie Rich-I think vocally very similar-but no evidence of course! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Robert Banks - a Twisted Wheel sound Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Chalky said: I have no proof and haven't read Tim's comments before. I just compared the vocals of those on the credits to Charles. Robert Banks definitely a contender in my opinion. Hunting around and I am with Karl on this so far (brilliant that you lead me down this route), I found this article which mentions the Production (J.A.J.) on The Charles Brandy, Andre Motell (pictured) and makes sense as they are clearly the writers as in Tammy Wayne (Ansler/Andre Montell) and Kurtis Scott I do wonder though how the RSD reissue ? managed to be so far out on the credit A. Merrill ? https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KBIEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=J.A.J.+Productions+mgm&source=bl&ots=3StDp0T0sS&sig=ACfU3U3NcxPXKky9jxi45HAjKgXq5eB3xA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjwnI6SzrzoAhXRiVwKHeDzBdMQ6AEwG3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=J.A.J. Productions mgm&f=false I wonder if this was him who has sadly passed away last year https://www.royalfhmiami.com/obituary/6438638 https://www.facebook.com/1157345677662180/posts/sad-to-hear-that-mr-andre-montell-passed-away-he-is-a-music-legend-who-has-worke/2489121961151205/ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yTshAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA1262&lpg=PA1262&dq=ansler+montell+andre&source=bl&ots=R5_3EtEIMS&sig=ACfU3U2uCcAIHUPqjcVhLA4zJy90psTWUA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiwloKN07zoAhXLgVwKHfsCAsQQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=ansler montell andre&f=false Edited March 28, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Edwin S Wales Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Hi all...absolutely love this tune...here's photos of my issue if it helps.... 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted March 28, 2020 Author Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Edwin S Wales said: Hi all...absolutely love this tune...here's photos of my issue if it helps.... Nice and the correct Andre Montell credit......at last, thanks Edited March 28, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulglow Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 My copy the demo 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) On 28/03/2020 at 20:09, Edwin S Wales said: Hi all...absolutely love this tune...here's photos of my issue if it helps.... After doing some more research and thinking last year it might have been, some sad news from nearly a year before I started this post Edited December 28, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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