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Myto Music Query

There is some interesting info on Myto Music on this site, I have a query on the Groovesville connection.

If Don Davis brought various Groovesville music to Golden World/Wingate why were why were the following records released on Groovesville assigned to Myto Music.

JJ Barnes Our Love is in the Pocket

Melvin Davis I must Love You

Steve Mancha I Don't Want to Loose you

Why would they not be released on Golden World or Ric Tic? Assuming Gordy purchased the rights to Myto music, Jobete would be the owner of these releases or where there any exceptions when Myto Music was sold from Wingate to Gordy?

Appreciate if anyone can help clear my confusion.

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JJ’s version isn’t the first and recored before Motown (Darrall Banks the original I think but stand to be corrected) acquired Myto presumably so publishing would stay with the original company The same for the other two I guess without looking up the dates, Melvin is 1966 same year as Motown bought Wingate (Sept 1966). 

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The Melvin Davis was getting Detroit airplay in September, 1966 and the  Steve Mancha charted in

Billboard in July, 1966.

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35 minutes ago, The Yank said:

The Melvin Davis was getting Detroit airplay in September, 1966 and the  Steve Mancha charted in

Billboard in July, 1966.

So all three definitely recorded before Motown took ownership of Myto and Wingate’s labels. 

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On 31/07/2020 at 10:31, Chalky said:

So all three definitely recorded before Motown took ownership of Myto and Wingate’s labels. 

All 3 issues were recorded, pressed up, and had been sold from commercial outlets before the changeover.  Ric-Tic's "I Love You Madly", by The Fantastic Four, was selling well in the middle of its run, when the Motown 2nd Wingate (Ric-Tic) buyout/purchase and transfer was being completed.  As soon as the takeover was completed, Motown pressed up the charted record's next press run on its own Soul label, as Ric-Tic had been shut down.  Credits for its publishing had been changed to Jobete Music (from Myto), as the rights to that song's publishing were part of the existing Myto Music catalogue purchase.  So, all those Myto Music songs existing at the time of Motown's buyout, immediately became published by Motown's Jobete Music.  However, Ed Wingate and JoAnne Bratton were not out of the music business.  They had some productions after that, including projects done together with Herman Griffin (Diane Lewis on Wand Records, The Players on Columbia), both of which listed their Myto Music (which hadn't been purchased by Motown in the buyout, - only the songs existing at that time).  In 1971, The Wingates released a Golden World record "Stompin' Crazy Legs" by The Modern Times, which was also published by a Wingate publisher, Ric-Tic Music.

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38 minutes ago, Robbk said:

  Credits for its publishing had been changed to Jobete Music (from Myto), as the rights to that song's publishing were part of the existing Myto Music catalogue purchase.  

Strangely enough, the original credits for "I Love You Madly" were Ric- Tic publishers- 

 

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11 hours ago, The Yank said:

Strangely enough, the original credits for "I Love You Madly" were Ric- Tic publishers- 

 

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Good point.  It's NOT strange, after all.  Apparently I made an incorrect assumption about the dating of the 2 Motown purchases related to that of the Wingate-Griffin co-productions and Wingate's use of "Myto Music" and "Ric-Tic Music".  Now it is clear that "Myto Music" was indeed dissolved, upon the first, 1966 Motown buyout, because the Wingate-Griffin co-productions took place in early 1966, BEFORE Motown's later 1966 buyout of Golden World Records, Golden World Sound Studio, and the Myto Music catalogue.  At that time, Ed Wingate and JoAnne Bratton continued operating Ric-Tic Records, starting with Ric-Tic 141, operating out of their house, and using United Sound Studios. With Myto Music gone, they revived an already existing (but dormant since 1963) music publishing company (Ric-Tic Music) they had used in 1962-63 during their early years of operating Golden World and Ric-Tic Records, when they recorded in New York, and used New York songwriters.  When they stopped operation of Ric-Tic Records in 1968, and sold off the contracts with a few more artists, and sold off the Ric-Tic Music catalogue  (up to that point) and related master tapes, they DID NOT sell the name "Ric Tic Music", so they could use it again, because its former product now was instantly transferred to the Jobete Music Catalogue.  So, that must be why Ed and JoAnne could again use Ric-Tic Music to publish their 1971 Golden World record.

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