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Maybe I'm the only grumpy sixty-something focusing on this but I feel I need to vent my spleen.

Last Saturday, I attended an afternoon soul session in Shropshire. Full credit to those who organised the socially distanced seating inside and outside the marquee and the varied playlists from all the DJs was enjoyable after such a long absence of events. However, what I found unbelievable was the number of "long-lost friends" who, upon meeting up, felt the uncontrollable urge to follow a formal fist-bump with an all-encompassing embrace of each other, including the occasional kiss on cheek for the ladies.  Judging by the rising number of Covid-19 cases reported over the past 48 hours, the younger generation can be relieved of any blame - all the culprits were in their sixties and should have known better. The DJs themselves should bear a large part of the blame - every personal request delivered to the podium seemed to involve a mandatory handshake or bear hug. Thank god it wasn't indoors. 

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Now this is going to prove a thorny subject I guess , as for some it will be quite simple while others will think differently . The lead must come from government , and I’m afraid to say like mos

I'm with you all the way on this one Rick - I'm not so far off 70 either.  I would love to get out to a soul night & see everyone again - it would be great to see us all hugging each other just li

I will be 70 in 2 weeks time and am in NO Hurry to attend a Soul Nite Inside or Out Doors any time soon,  (For Me, Not worth the risk and My Choice) But for those that want to, Fine, But please use a

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9 hours ago, brianmcb said:

Maybe I'm the only grumpy sixty-something focusing on this but I feel I need to vent my spleen.

Last Saturday, I attended an afternoon soul session in Shropshire. Full credit to those who organised the socially distanced seating inside and outside the marquee and the varied playlists from all the DJs was enjoyable after such a long absence of events. However, what I found unbelievable was the number of "long-lost friends" who, upon meeting up, felt the uncontrollable urge to follow a formal fist-bump with an all-encompassing embrace of each other, including the occasional kiss on cheek for the ladies.  Judging by the rising number of Covid-19 cases reported over the past 48 hours, the younger generation can be relieved of any blame - all the culprits were in their sixties and should have known better. The DJs themselves should bear a large part of the blame - every personal request delivered to the podium seemed to involve a mandatory handshake or bear hug. Thank god it wasn't indoors. 

I'm 61 have mild asthma. I would be one of those people hugging and kissing  friends that I hadn't seen for months and months. Sorry you feel like you do. I'm the exact opposite but hey we are  all different 

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The trouble is, it feels so unnateral to not shake hands, hug or nowadays kiss (The kissing thing caught on here some years back) I'm always shouting at the telly on this....."What's with the hugging and kissing?  You don't even know each other!!!"......

My scrap man shook my hand after a collection, and although I am very aware of the guidance, I shook his hand (It would have felt rude to refuse) I immediately washed my hands after he had gone (Something I have done for years anyway being as I am)

I sent my two staff to do a site visit yesterday.  I gave them both masks, and said that even if the people there are not wearing masks, please still wear them yourselves - They didn't do so (of course)

People slacking on this is bound to happen being as it has been going on for so long - Personally I am still being strict, and turning down invitations to friends houses etc.  I've seen photos of such visits, and once the ol' alcohol is involved, the guidance goes out of the window.

It's very hard, but we all must try our best to reduce the risk as much as possible.

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Stop in if you feel like that, think you are being a little naive if you think it wasn’t going to happen or if the music was louder than it should be or if those attending were not going to dance, shout or sing at the top of their voices. 

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1 hour ago, Chalky said:

Stop in if you feel like that, think you are being a little naive if you think it wasn’t going to happen or if the music was louder than it should be or if those attending were not going to dance, shout or sing at the top of their voices. 

 

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Stop in if you feel like that, think you are being a little naive if you think it wasn’t going to happen or if the music was louder than it should be or if those attending were not going to dance, shout or sing at the top of their voices. 

No issues with the volume, dancing or singing - just the lack of respect exhibited by some (not all). Luckily, my new shoes kept everyone from me at a safe distance!

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No issues with the volume, dancing or singing - just the lack of respect exhibited by some (not all). Luckily, my new shoes kept everyone from me at a safe distance!

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My dad also had a pair of shoes like that, different colour(s) though :facepalm:

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how many were in attendance?

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My dad also had a pair of shoes like that, different colour(s) though :facepalm:

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Stop in if you feel like that, think you are being a little naive if you think it wasn’t going to happen or if the music was louder than it should be or if those attending were not going to dance, shout or sing at the top of their voices. 

Really?  Because some people decide to throw caution to the wind and disregard the guidelines,  the rest of us should stay in?!  I think not. 

 

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I will be 70 in 2 weeks time and am in NO Hurry to attend a Soul Nite Inside or Out Doors any time soon,  (For Me, Not worth the risk and My Choice) But for those that want to, Fine, But please use a bit of Common Sense, I would not want to be reading on here in Weeks or Months to Come that Someone I or We Know (or Not as the case may be) has caught the Virus and possibly Died from it, we have already had members on here mentioning they have Lost a Friend or Loved One due to the Virus, The Message Is "Stay Safe"  as the 'Scene' is in a Fragile State as it is and may well Never Recover, Perish The Thought    

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I will be 70 in 2 weeks time and am in NO Hurry to attend a Soul Nite Inside or Out Doors any time soon,  (For Me, Not worth the risk and My Choice) But for those that want to, Fine, But please use a bit of Common Sense, I would not want to be reading on here in Weeks or Months to Come that Someone I or We Know (or Not as the case may be) has caught the Virus and possibly Died from it, we have already had members on here mentioning they have Lost a Friend or Loved One due to the Virus, The Message Is "Stay Safe"  as the 'Scene' is in a Fragile State as it is and may well Never Recover, Perish The Thought    

I'm with you all the way on this one Rick - I'm not so far off 70 either.  I would love to get out to a soul night & see everyone again - it would be great to see us all hugging each other just like normal - but it all feels as though it's just not worth the risk. I think those that do rush around the room shaking hands & hugging everyone are putting not only their own health at risk, but the rest of us too.  I've  lost a couple of my neighbours to this thing - also know others who have been desperately ill in hospital for weeks on end - coma - tracheostomy - ventilator etc - but survived to tell the tale. Now they have permanent damage to their heart, lungs, liver, brain, kidneys & also muscle damage, but hopefully this will improve with physio. Sadly, so many people are just not taking the virus as seriously as they should. 😢

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some people are full of fear   some people think its a load of bollocks    some people are  in the middle of the thought process   some people follow every rule   every government guideline        all can change  opinions  in the course of a day  it seems           love to everyone on here    m    

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21 minutes ago, Martin L said:

some people are full of fear   some people think its a load of bollocks    some people are  in the middle of the thought process   some people follow every rule   every government guideline        all can change  opinions  in the course of a day  it seems           love to everyone on here    m    

I'm in the 2nd camp. Martin. And If rules didn't exist I wouldn't have to break them. Fcuk wit politicians don't have a clue so I make my own mind up and use common sense which listening to some people is illegal and wrong. But been as I've walked the line between right and wrong all my life and sometimes wondering on to the wrong side i  ain't changing my life now.  😁😇😇😇😁  looking forward to BVAN and seeing you in the chatroom Saturday night mate 👍 

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6 hours ago, Kevinkent said:

Really?  Because some people decide to throw caution to the wind and disregard the guidelines,  the rest of us should stay in?!  I think not. 

 

Soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them and you expect them to sit there like saints?  Anywhere people are socialising they will be anti social as far as covid rules are concerned. 

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10 hours ago, Chalky said:

Soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them and you expect them to sit there like saints?  Anywhere people are socialising they will be anti social as far as covid rules are concerned. 

Absolutely this,  went to an outdoor event in Leicester,  people who i hadn't seen for months greeted me with a hug ,we are humans and its hard to change a lifetime of habits especially when the beer is flowing. To be completely safe would mean total isolation and thats up to the individual,  trying to be careful and human at the same time is not easy.

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We may well already be past the tipping point to lockdown 2 if you ask me. The new 6 person social distancing is just the start of it. 

People were given an inch and took a mile, in many cases unfortunately. 

And knowing people who were at the sharp end in spring, I feel so sorry for them if we get a repeat. It's not fair on them....let alone the victims. They were broken and completely exhausted by early summer. 

They would have preferred people to have just acted more responsibly throughout.... instead of clapping at their front doors and painting rainbows everywhere one minute, then out at pubs throwing caution to the wind the next. Very hypocritical behaviour by many imo. 

The cat is already out of the bag. 

 

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My original post and the responses highlight what's happening in the wider world: people fall into one of two camps - those who take their social responsibility to others seriously and those who are in it for themselves. "A lifetime of habits" is something we all have in one way or another. The responsible ones among us have worked hard to adapt those habits to the new world order. The others won't see the situation as real until something tragic occurs close to home.

As for the "soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them" comment I suspect it belongs to a bygone age. For those of us in our sixties and seventies, those drugs are more likely to be the kind that keep us alive rather than make us feel alive! 

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My original post and the responses highlight what's happening in the wider world: people fall into one of two camps - those who take their social responsibility to others seriously and those who are in it for themselves. "A lifetime of habits" is something we all have in one way or another. The responsible ones among us have worked hard to adapt those habits to the new world order. The others won't see the situation as real until something tragic occurs close to home.

As for the "soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them" comment I suspect it belongs to a bygone age. For those of us in our sixties and seventies, those drugs are more likely to be the kind that keep us alive rather than make us feel alive! 

Hold on a minute mr socially responsible,  I'm fully aware of responsibilities my wife works for the nhs and i worked throughout the lockdown whilst others had the chance to isolate completely.  I go in supermarkets where people are crowded together,  if hugging a couple of friends is breaking my social responsibility then so be it. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Godzilla said:

Well done everyone - hope the hugs and kisses were worth it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131

You can go to work with hundreds of people,  travel on public transport but not see  friends or some of your family. No fcuking chance. Not happening.  

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Now this is going to prove a thorny subject I guess , as for some it will be quite simple while others will think differently .

The lead must come from government , and I’m afraid to say like most things this present government has done,  it’s too little too late. The messages are always mixed , the guidelines always unclear and advice just leaves a lot of uncertainty. 

So now they say there can’t be any gatherings of more than 6 people , but it doesn’t come into effect until the 14th - Why leave it till the 14th !! 

I’m not going to list all of the contradictory advice and woeful mismanagement Mr Johnson and his band of merry men have laid upon us because I will be here all day and my fingers are already getting tired. 

However, both my partner and I can testify, when this virus hits you , it can be a very scary , very traumatic experience and one that does not simply leave you alone. My other half is still suffering from the after effects, 5 months on , with hair loss now . We where lucky. 

Yes we all want normality back. We want to embrace our loved ones , start living again, enjoying the things we used to do . We as humans crave that , the touch and embrace of our friends and family. 

But we need to also stop and think , it’s a balance I guess. 

There will always be winners and losers with this, financially , emotionally and physically. I have a best mate that’s become an alcoholic during this lockdown. Crashed his car twice , thankfully once into a parked lorry and I once into a supermarket wall after buying booze . 63 - banned for two years and lost his mentoring job working  with special needs children . 

This whole pandemic situation will have effected so many in so many different ways , and yes we can sit back and say “ The flu kills more people each year “ or “ look at how many traffic accidents kill “ . It’s a balance of getting things right .. and the lead must come from those in power, setting the rules and guidelines that we should , I repeat , should follow . There will always be those that want to follow their own path.

Just be responsible for your own actions , but think of consequences and the loved ones around you . 

Not a sermon .. just my thought for the day .  

 

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16 minutes ago, Soulfusion said:

For the sake of balance and context with the current level of positive tests this article from the BBC provides some wider perspective.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347 

Thats the best post I've seen . Thanks for sharing 👍 

Whats happened with the BBC. This is surely a first for them something positive Instead of all the usual doom and gloom   end of the world stuff we have been force fed since March 

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Prim-ministers Question Time 12 Noon and live statement Today at 3:45 PM Should be interesting if Reports on Radio 5-Live are anything to go by what with new restrictions coming into place from Monday

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Yet another farce .. Ministers that can’t be bothered to turn up .. inform the media before informing the house .

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Prim-ministers Question Time 12 Noon and live statement Today at 4PM Should be interesting if Reports on Radio 5-Live are anything to go by what with new restrictions coming into place from Monday

It just all lurches from one bumbling mess to another .. 

4pm briefing will be interesting .

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This government have got absolutely no shame and it’s just lie after lie.

 

yesterdays admission that they are going to break international law just another example of how far we have fallen.

 

still I’m sure they will be lining somebody up for the blame.

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5 hours ago, brianmcb said:

 

As for the "soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them" comment I suspect it belongs to a bygone age. For those of us in our sixties and seventies, those drugs are more likely to be the kind that keep us alive rather than make us feel alive! 

Again you are being a little naive if you ask me 😂 

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As for the "soulies with a load of drink and drugs in them" comment I suspect it belongs to a bygone age. For those of us in our sixties and seventies, those drugs are more likely to be the kind that keep us alive rather than make us feel alive! 

Ill go with both types please  minus the drink tho its not good for you !   

 

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13 minutes ago, Martin L said:

 

Ill go with both types please  minus the drink tho its not good for you !   

 

Martin.  I'm definitely in your camp mate😁 as most people that know me will confirm 👍 

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I think the personal responsibility behaviour with CV as a bit like drink driving. 

If you go out for a night, have a few beers and just go slightly over the limit then a short drive home, you are probably unlikely to have an accident or get caught. 

There is a very small risk that you might kill or injure someone (most likely not yourself) - but it's highly unlikely. 

But if everyone in the country suddenly starts doing it, the hospitals and morgues suddenly start filling up. 

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This government have got absolutely no shame and it’s just lie after lie.

 

yesterdays admission that they are going to break international law just another example of how far we have fallen.

 

still I’m sure they will be lining somebody up for the blame.

The government have always gone with the advice from the medical scientists and I can tell you speaking with someone inside government that they are as frustrated with the chopping and changing of medical advice from the scientists - as we all are. 

As for breaking international law, the government are reacting to the demands of the EU as these would impact the relationship between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK and the withdrawal agreement as it currently stands. Therefore some renegotiation is required which the EU has refused to do. 

With the US saying that trade agreements would be affected (both for UK and EU) if any agreement put the Good Friday Agreement at risk, then its sensible for both to review what was agreed.

The threats from the UK side are just a negotiating tactic - as the threats from the EU have been for the last three years.

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On 07/09/2020 at 23:03, brianmcb said:

Maybe I'm the only grumpy sixty-something focusing on this but I feel I need to vent my spleen.

Last Saturday, I attended an afternoon soul session in Shropshire. Full credit to those who organised the socially distanced seating inside and outside the marquee and the varied playlists from all the DJs was enjoyable after such a long absence of events. However, what I found unbelievable was the number of "long-lost friends" who, upon meeting up, felt the uncontrollable urge to follow a formal fist-bump with an all-encompassing embrace of each other, including the occasional kiss on cheek for the ladies.  Judging by the rising number of Covid-19 cases reported over the past 48 hours, the younger generation can be relieved of any blame - all the culprits were in their sixties and should have known better. The DJs themselves should bear a large part of the blame - every personal request delivered to the podium seemed to involve a mandatory handshake or bear hug. Thank god it wasn't indoors. 

I think there needs to be some perspective.

Firstly the younger generation form the bulk of the new cases as someone has already pointed out in previous replies.

We also need to understand that the virus is here and will be here forever in one form or another. As pointed out by a medical Prof a few weeks ago the virus will subside when it decides it wants to live with us and will potentially mutate to become less virulent. There is no real 'second wave' as everyone seems to talk about but there will be sporadic outbreaks as we are seeing now.  A vaccine will help protect us of course, but ultimately we will need to live with it. 

The damage to people caused by lockdown and social restrictions is now only just surfacing. We are social by nature and restricting contact with others will have unforeseen consequences. One of the other posts talks about someone becoming an alcoholic, but there is so many more consequences - suicides, mental health, drug abuse, domestic violence etc. 

Its a fine balance and difficult judgement's  we all have to make, but in the short term I agree that some common sense needs to be applied if we are to open up society again but lets bear in mind we are social by nature and its difficult to stop previous behaviours, so don't be too hard on people.👍

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44 minutes ago, Billy Jo Jim Bob said:

The government have always gone with the advice from the medical scientists and I can tell you speaking with someone inside government that they are as frustrated with the chopping and changing of medical advice from the scientists - as we all are. 

As for breaking international law, the government are reacting to the demands of the EU as these would impact the relationship between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK and the withdrawal agreement as it currently stands. Therefore some renegotiation is required which the EU has refused to do. 

With the US saying that trade agreements would be affected (both for UK and EU) if any agreement put the Good Friday Agreement at risk, then its sensible for both to review what was agreed.

The threats from the UK side are just a negotiating tactic - as the threats from the EU have been for the last three years.

They have taken the advice of the medical scientists they employ. Many other scientists have given different advice and earlier, advice that makes or made more sense. 

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They have taken the advice of the medical scientists they employ. Many other scientists have given different advice and earlier, advice that makes or made more sense. 

Very true Chalks, and I have made the same point myself directly. 

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The Bottom Line Is That At The Start Of The Corona Virus Being Publicised And Lock-Down, Social Distancing Put Into Place, The Biggest Mistake Was The Wearing Of Face Coverings/Masks Was Not COMPULSORY In ALL Places, Yet They Said At The Beginning That It Was Not Seen To Be Necessary And Would Not Make Any Difference, REALLY ???

We Would Probably Be In A Different Situation At This Time Had This Been Put Into Place, Just A Thought

   

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28 minutes ago, Rick Scott said:

The Bottom Line Is That At The Start Of The Corona Virus Being Publicised And Lock-Down, Social Distancing Put Into Place, The Biggest Mistake Was The Wearing Of Face Coverings/Masks Was Not COMPULSORY In ALL Places, Yet They Said At The Beginning That It Was Not Seen To Be Necessary And Would Not Make Any Difference, REALLY ???

We Would Probably Be In A Different Situation At This Time Had This Been Put Into Place, Just A Thought

   

The reason why masks weren't made compulsory at the outset had nothing to do with "the science". The acute shortage of PPE for frontline workers, required an ample supply of masks to NHS workers for treating patients. Had Johnson and Hancock made the recommendation for the general public to wear masks, there would have been a mad online stampede for them and a black market infinitely worse than the debacle that transpired. Instead, the government relied on the televised daily press briefings to convince the public that masks would do nothing to help the spread of coronavirus. It worked - for a while.

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The reason why masks weren't made compulsory at the outset had nothing to do with "the science". The acute shortage of PPE for frontline workers, required an ample supply of masks to NHS workers for treating patients. Had Johnson and Hancock made the recommendation for the general public to wear masks, there would have been a mad online stampede for them and a black market infinitely worse than the debacle that transpired. Instead, the government relied on the televised daily press briefings to convince the public that masks would do nothing to help the spread of coronavirus. It worked - for a while.

I know one company who had three warehouses full of masks and ppe but couldn’t sell it, I delivered to them. 
 

probably because they weren’t owned by a tory.  
 

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25 minutes ago, Chalky said:

I know one company who had three warehouses full of masks and ppe but couldn’t sell it, I delivered to them. 
 

probably because they weren’t owned by a tory.  
 

Exactly our taxes are being handed to dom’s mates.

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Total mess from the start .

And now we have Boris launching “ Moonshot “ a rapid turn around in testing times .. saying and promising something that hasn’t got a hope in hell of working , just for cheap sound bites ..

Why is this sounding so much like the Trump administration .. 

Let’s try and get one thing right at a time .. spend that £100 million on getting the Track and Trace system working properly .. and the app that was promised with it so long ago . 

Shame I can’t say thar this was my school but some bright teacher got it right ! 

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2 hours ago, Rick Scott said:

The Bottom Line Is That At The Start Of The Corona Virus Being Publicised And Lock-Down, Social Distancing Put Into Place, The Biggest Mistake Was The Wearing Of Face Coverings/Masks Was Not COMPULSORY In ALL Places, Yet They Said At The Beginning That It Was Not Seen To Be Necessary And Would Not Make Any Difference, REALLY ???

We Would Probably Be In A Different Situation At This Time Had This Been Put Into Place, Just A Thought

   

Rick.  alongside what you have said 

The country went into lockdown but you could still fly in from abroad without restrictions.  That's where I think it was fcuked up. 

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19 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Rick.  alongside what you have said 

The country went into lockdown but you could still fly in from abroad without restrictions.  That's where I think it was fcuked up. 

There does seem to be a rise in cases again coming straight after the school holidays when many people have travelled abroad.  The good news so far is mortality rate is low.  The unknown is if it will stay that way.  So the link between travel  for each rise.

 

so many parallels between the handling of this and the handling of brexit.  Or anything else they put their hand to.

 

plenty of resignations flying in lately from government layers to high profile ERG members.  Makes you wonder why ?

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Rick.  alongside what you have said 

The country went into lockdown but you could still fly in from abroad without restrictions.  That's where I think it was fcuked up. 

I agree MASSIVELY with that - I was shouting "Shut the fekking borders" as soon as news of this thing broke........I'm still waiting.......

My son lives in Taiwan - where borders closed VERY quickly - & have remained closed throughout. Flights were - & still are - very limited & all incoming passengers immediately quarantined. Their infection rate as of today stands at 496 (21 per million of population) & death rate hasn't risen for many weeks now - stands at just 7 (0.3 per million). Their economy has suffered, but not on the scale that ours has - schools - universities - shops - bars - all still carry on as per usual. I feel so relieved that he lives where he does - the Taiwan government has managed the pandemic so much better than the UK government has. 

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5 hours ago, Billy Jo Jim Bob said:

 

The threats from the UK side are just a negotiating tactic - as the threats from the EU have been for the last three years.

Since when was threatening to break the law a good Negotiating tactic?

 

the rest of the world is watching.

 

anyway we are going off topic so will leave it there.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Stevegods said:

So wanted to believe this - but my apologies .. both to Boris , his family ( how many now ) and his loved ones ..

I stand corrected .. I’ll do my homework and sit at the back of the class .. 

Haha - I only knew because I saw the 'fake' post on Facebook maybe last week and then the refutation a few days later.  Back of the class? No worries. At least you're not stood in the corner with a dunces hat on!

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3 hours ago, Chalky said:

I know one company who had three warehouses full of masks and ppe but couldn’t sell it, I delivered to them. 

Correct Chalky, and yet When the Government Said that there was a Shortage of Face Masks And PPE Equipment in the UK For Vulnerable Frontline Workers and NHS Doctors/Nurses and That they Were Waiting For Orders from ABROAD, Suppliers in the UK Were Saying on Radio that they Had  Plenty of Said Equipment which they could supply, and had made it known to the Government but they had heard nothing back from them choosing to wait for the orders from abroad, Appalling 

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It seems like one-way traffic at the moment so, just to balance things out a bit, it might be interesting to hear if there are any staunch Boris supporters on this forum - maybe via another thread to avoid us heading even further off-topic? A lot of people (including some soulies) must have voted for him to get him to where he is! If that's you, have your opinions changed since his election and, if so, do you think he's still leading us in the right direction? 

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14 minutes ago, brianmcb said:

It seems like one-way traffic at the moment so, just to balance things out a bit, it might be interesting to hear if there are any staunch Boris supporters on this forum - maybe via another thread to avoid us heading even further off-topic? A lot of people (including some soulies) must have voted for him to get him to where he is! If that's you, have your opinions changed since his election and, if so, do you think he's still leading us in the right direction? 

there's a current affairs forum here

can use that if wish to talk about non corona virus stuff...

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/forums/forum/137-current-affairs/

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Was outside my house in front garden This Morning (Tues 22nd Sept) and noticed a Driving instructor with a Pupil Having Lessons drive past, Neither of Whom Had Their Masks On ??? Bearing in Mind The Present Environment seems a bit Naughty😷

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