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Guest martyn 

Posted June 14, 2010

I only ever heard this played at EASC allnighters from late 76 / 77 right into the early 80s - not saying it never got plays away from St Ives & Peterborough , its just I don't recall hearing it any where else...........I know Hammie used to play it & (I think ) John Vincent used to spin it too .

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3 minutes ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

Blast from the past at St Ives all-nighters - Ginger / Soul Sam can’t remember ever hearing this at the Casino although I mostly went to the oldies nights - maybe just an East Coast thing always wondered who discovered it and played it first 👍🏻

Started going station road in 75 until it closed don't remember this getting any plays, in fact don't think I have ever heard it before. Yet it sounds vaguely familiar 🤔 

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To put this record into context I would say in 77 at St Ives it filled the dance floor just as much as some of the sounds broken there at the same time like Servicemen - Are You Angry, Billy Arnell - Tough Girl, etc.

There were a lot of records that seemed exclusive to St Ives at the time now forgotten, some good ( like Les Femme - Closer, Judy Hughes - Ocean of Emotion as examples), some indifferent, & others not so good (like Camp - Marching before elsewhere latched on ) 

I defy anyone to try & find a copy of Judy Hughes on Crusader by the way 🤑. Sam had it covered up as The Primettes 

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2 hours ago, Merve said:

To put this record into context I would say in 77 at St Ives it filled the dance floor just as much as some of the sounds broken there at the same time like Servicemen - Are You Angry, Billy Arnell - Tough Girl, etc.

There were a lot of records that seemed exclusive to St Ives at the time now forgotten, some good ( like Les Femme - Closer, Judy Hughes - Ocean of Emotion as examples), some indifferent, & others not so good (like Camp - Marching before elsewhere latched on ) 

I defy anyone to try & find a copy of Judy Hughes on Crusader by the way 🤑. Sam had it covered up as The Primettes 

Servicemen massive at Wakefield Unity, Billy Arnell at CWG. 

Never heard this Flamma....but Nev Wherry RIP did champion tracks like it. He played Bobby Goldsbro tracks to death at KGB.

Most underplayed records have had a second coming, so to speak.

Unless this is shit rare, somebody would have gave it a go....

Ed

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4 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Servicemen massive at Wakefield Unity, Billy Arnell at CWG. 

Never heard this Flamma....but Nev Wherry RIP did champion tracks like it. He played Bobby Goldsbro tracks to death at KGB.

Most underplayed records have had a second coming, so to speak.

Unless this is shit rare, somebody would have gave it a go....

Ed

A Record of its time mate. Its never been super rare. I sold mine for £40 about 10 years ago 

3 hours ago, Simon T said:

I have 2 tapes, both labelled    Peterborough    22/07/78   Vincent:

1. Syng McGowan - Flamma - Betty Boo

2. Sam Williams - Flamma - Temptones (Artic)

 

Yep, but try telling people Betty Boo was played anywhere until Wigan 79 & you will end up in a row even if you do have it on tape. I made the mistake of saying I had it on a tape from St Ives 77 & the wrath of God came down on me 🤫

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6 hours ago, Andy Rix said:

Big tune for John Vincent

Further detail here

Andy

 

Andy. Trust you are safe and well mate.

I don't ever recall John playing this at Wigan which given how big it was at Cleethorpes is a strange one. But he could have done and I just don't remember it , I mentioned earlier that it did sound familiar so maybe he did 🤔 

Ste 

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27 minutes ago, Merve said:

A Record of its time mate. Its never been super rare. I sold mine for £40 about 10 years ago 

Yep, but try telling people Betty Boo was played anywhere until Wigan 79 & you will end up in a row even if you do have it on tape. I made the mistake of saying I had it on a tape from St Ives 77 & the wrath of God came down on me 🤫

Lol. Soul police 🚔.  Just because it was only released in 1979 on grapevine doesn't mean that it wasn't played earlier.  I definitely think it was played at Station Road late 77 possibly 78 before hand.  

Ste 

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17 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Lol. Soul police 🚔.  Just because it was only released in 1979 on grapevine doesn't mean that it wasn't played earlier.  I definitely think it was played at Station Road late 77 possibly 78 before hand.  

Ste 

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8 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

The soul police hate being proved wrong.

I love it. What gives them the right anyway 

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I personally can't remember it from that nighter Elson is reviewing even though I was there, ( the sundries were probably good 😳), but it was big at St Ives before the following summer of 77

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4 minutes ago, Merve said:

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I personally can't remember it from that nighter Elson is reviewing even though I was there, ( the sundries were probably good 😳), but it was big at St Ives before the following summer of 77

I wouldn't  argue with the summer of 77. I could be wrong about the late 77 at Wigan bit. 

I will try and find Richards book , I'm sure it was mentioned in that. 

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2 hours ago, Merve said:

Ste,

Top right corner of the St Ives review from June 76....I'll probably get a good shoeing from the revisionist mafia for posting that  😉

Great Post....I remember my mate telling me about this massive cleggy tune by Betty boo...and that it was going to get played at Rovrum assembly rooms nappy night. Late 76 early 77, I'd say.

But hey, what about this I've never heard before, mentioned in that same black echoes issue...and I loved the attractions which is a proper forgotten oldie.

Ed

 

 

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I joined the army in November of 1976 and went to St Ives and Peterborough nighters up to that date as well as Wigan and Cleethorpes regularly, and can remember Betty Boo being played at St Ives and Peterborough Wirrina, I can't remember the Flamma Sherman track, but then my mind isn't what it used to be.

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4 hours ago, Merve said:

A Record of its time mate. Its never been super rare. I sold mine for £40 about 10 years ago 

Yep, but try telling people Betty Boo was played anywhere until Wigan 79 & you will end up in a row even if you do have it on tape. I made the mistake of saying I had it on a tape from St Ives 77 & the wrath of God came down on me 🤫

Also have tapes (from labeling & track list):

November 1978   Cleethorpes   Soul Sam

April           1979    St. Ives           Soul Sam

 

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1 hour ago, Simon T said:

Also have tapes (from labeling & track list):

November 1978   Cleethorpes   Soul Sam

April           1979    St. Ives           Soul Sam

 

April 79 Sam would have been playing Patti Labelle - You Make it So Hard (ooo errr) 😆.....A quid then & a tenner now, one that hasn't kept up with inflation 

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22 hours ago, Simon T said:

Also have tapes (from labeling & track list):

November 1978   Cleethorpes   Soul Sam

April           1979    St. Ives           Soul Sam

 

1979 - St Ives All-nighters were already closed by local council / drug squad 

1979 - The Fleet Peterborough All-nighters maybe not sure if the Embankment was still running then as well ? 

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On 26/11/2020 at 11:45, Tomangoes said:

 

Never heard this Flamma....

 

I found two mint copies of Flamma Sherman on S&B records. They were both in their paper company sleeves in a second hand record store for 50p each.

I had remembered it from when it was played the 70's. 

I had to sell both copies, as it's not a very good record at all!

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1 hour ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

1979 - St Ives All-nighters were already closed by local council / drug squad 

1979 - The Fleet Peterborough All-nighters maybe not sure if the Embankment was still running then as well ? 

my mistake. just put those cassettes in the green bin for collection tomorrow, whoever that recorded them and wrote the track listings was on mind altering drugs. Maybe should have 'digitize' them?

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2 hours ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

1979 - St Ives All-nighters were already closed by local council / drug squad 

1979 - The Fleet Peterborough All-nighters maybe not sure if the Embankment was still running then as well ? 

Correct. The DS shut the nighters in October 77.

BUT -Feb 1979 St Ives opened up again for all dayers. The tape would have been recorded at one of the dayers looking at the tracks listed.

Master Plan  -  Patti  -  Rita & Tiaras

His original post didn't say it was a nighter just 'St Ives'

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13 minutes ago, Merve said:

Correct. The DS shut the nighters in October 77.

BUT -Feb 1979 St Ives opened up again for all dayers. The tape would have been recorded at one of the dayers looking at the tracks listed.

Master Plan  -  Patti  -  Rita & Tiaras

His original post didn't say it was a nighter just 'St Ives'

I think it stayed open until 82 . Sure I have a 3rd anniversary badge somewhere 

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17 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

but we did have some of the top DJs Soul Sam, John Vincent, Ginger & Eddie, Brian Rae a well as locals Tony Dellar, Hammie, Tony Warot and others (did Kev Draper also appear?) and had the best of all worlds as Mecca, Wigan and Cleethorpes tunes were all played side by side.  The top tunes I recall from my time were Maurice Williams, Nate Evans, Kenny Smith (and many others I've forgotten about), it was also the  time of instrumentals like Falbala, The Flasher, The Champion, The Gig, Disco Connection etc., others I remember getting spins then were Prince George, Rimshots, Moments (9 times), East Coast Connection, and I remember Today's People being hammered to death! - not many of these would get a look in these days but we were young!

Early 76 at St Ives just as I remember it too. Top post.👏

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This was a great time for us Northant’s crowd.

St ives, Peterbough and Central Hall Kettering where I distinctly remember car wash getting new release plays.Some great times had and some groundbreaking collections in the area as well.We all know now it weren’t all up t’north 😂

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5 hours ago, Ficklefingers said:

Too right Tricky.. and East Anglia collections never got the credit they deserved !! For example.. when only 3 copies know at the time of the Magnetics on Bonny.. All three resided within a 50 mile radius of Huntingdon !!!

You have the likes of Glen Bellamy who has proved a constant source of tunes he first turned up and that the DJ's he sold them too throughout the decades went on to establish them as mainstream.. John Anderson of course.. And many others who's collections over the years would be the envy of any collector world wide..

Unsung heroes the lot of 'em

I remember hearing Rug play Lester Tipton as an unknown in 77 at The Rock in Rushden & Baja Marimba Band on the same night before anyone knew them. Both got plays as newies at St Ives in the following weeks. OK Baja Marimba Band a tune of its times (Mike Post-Feelings) but Lester Tipton still on most peoples want's list.

As Bedford lad - Hats off to you Northants/ Hunts Fellas

 

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Yes greatly missed is Rug.

Had a few spots at St Ives along with Wilksy!

Rugs tunes at the Vic in Rushden at this time included Lester Tipton,Montclair’s,Virginia Blakeley,Pamela Beaty,Limitations and a cheapie that I have loved ever since and occasionally play out Gaye and Terrell What you gave me on Tamla.Well ahead of the curve.

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2 hours ago, Merve said:

I remember hearing Rug play Lester Tipton as an unknown in 77 at The Rock in Rushden & Baja Marimba Band on the same night before anyone knew them. Both got plays as newies at St Ives in the following weeks. OK Baja Marimba Band a tune of its times (Mike Post-Feelings) but Lester Tipton still on most peoples want's list.

As Bedford lad - Hats off to you Northants/ Hunts Fellas

 

Rug sold Lester Tipton to John Poole at a St Ives nighter 

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3 hours ago, Speedlimit said:

Rug sold Lester Tipton to John Poole at a St Ives nighter 

 

3 hours ago, Tricky said:

Yes greatly missed is Rug.

Had a few spots at St Ives along with Wilksy!

Rugs tunes at the Vic in Rushden at this time included Lester Tipton,Montclair’s,Virginia Blakeley,Pamela Beaty,Limitations and a cheapie that I have loved ever since and occasionally play out Gaye and Terrell What you gave me on Tamla.Well ahead of the curve.

Ahh The Vic, another great soul night I used to frequent along with The Windmill (slightly earlier I think ?)

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23 hours ago, Merve said:

I remember hearing Rug play Lester Tipton as an unknown in 77 at The Rock in Rushden & Baja Marimba Band on the same night before anyone knew them. Both got plays as newies at St Ives in the following weeks. OK Baja Marimba Band a tune of its times (Mike Post-Feelings) but Lester Tipton still on most peoples want's list.

As Bedford lad - Hats off to you Northants/ Hunts Fellas

 

MY Lester Tipton was purchased in either late 77 or early 78 along with matching labels Al Williams.. Soul Bowl possibly ??

Them were the days lol

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i remember Flamma Sherman ,   vividly.    a Grantham lad, played it at our local do's.    master plan,  i remember that too.    Phantom janitor (Deadbeats,  awful record) and others.    77 was when i started,  so these records were a part of that.   anyone remember  Teddy Pendergrass  'you cant hide from yourself'  and The Emotions 'best of my love' getting spins  ? 

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11 hours ago, Ian Parker said:

i remember Flamma Sherman ,   vividly.    a Grantham lad, played it at our local do's.    master plan,  i remember that too.    Phantom janitor (Deadbeats,  awful record) and others.    77 was when i started,  so these records were a part of that.   anyone remember  Teddy Pendergrass  'you cant hide from yourself'  and The Emotions 'best of my love' getting spins  ? 

Don't remember The Emotions getting played but Smokey Robinson-Theme from the Big Time was huge at St Ives around that time as a new release as was  Centre City 

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