Guest mel brat Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Steve G said: He tried to sell me his copy and that's when he came out with the "it's very rare" comment. Mentioning IL and this thread, we should of course mention Elliot Hoffman-dreadful, but surely one of the rarest on TSOP - it was one of the last gaps in my collection of that label. I based my assertion on the fact Levine played "If You Move You Lose" at a Mecca revival do, back in the early '90s which I attended. When he announced over mic that it "hadn't been issued" my mate and I exchanged puzzled looks! It doesn't really matter though, as all three came out as confirmed in 'Voices From The Shadows' in a later article. Just shows though, even Levine is wrong sometimes! Guess what that "rare TSOP" track is called that I couldn't recall earlier?? Yes, it's Elliot Hoffman! Actually I quite like it in it's way, which is why I still own it. Have heard far worse recordings (and on Philly too!) , Mine is a demo copy but I wondered what the B-side is like? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 I know we've had a few posts of late about harder to get UK only issues on 45 of Archie Bell - Where Will You Go When The Partys Over and Lou Rawls - Time Will take Care Of Everything, are there any other UK only 45s (or other countries even)?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 mel brat said: Hee hee - everytime young Mr Guarnori disses Elliot Hoffman on TSOP in public, i always jump in and defend him This must be the third or fourth time in as many years! I actually like the tune....................it's totally non-Philly which is why i think it puts folks off BUT i believe (IMHO) it has a certain charm I think the fact Ian Levine stated it was a Modern Soul monster was the issue.....which it clearly is NOT! Hope you're well Mr G Cheers Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi Garth, the ones in Berwick St came to England via Amsterdam. The dealer who bought them from the states told me they were bankrupt stock from a distributer in New Jersey. In all there were between 60 to 70 thousand and I got to go through them all..... twice! The secound time was a labour of love sorting them to be sold on. Thats why I know the Berwick St ones were those, the boxes had my writing on them. An awful lot of multi copies as you"d expect, I can remember 2/3000 copies of "I'll Always Love My Mama" and about the same of Billy Pauls "Let Em In". A good range age wise tho from Billy Pauls "Am I Black Enough For You" through to Shirley Jones solo 45's. Cheers Paul Gareth/Paul I had heard about the Amsterdam find, a chap from EMS was supposed to get me list but never did. Didnt know about Berwick St, might be in London for a couple of days mid week and might go down for a scout, believe its quite good around there for LP's also at moment. Not been record hunting in London for a good few years now!! Thanks for info both of you. Cheers Jock Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Recommend Trammps - where do we go from here, also Trusting heart - both on Golden Fleece. very cheap tunes Lofty Other side of Trusting Heart, (on UK PIR I have it) is Down Three Dark Streets and is fantastic deep soul, did this ever come out on US PIR, or only Golden Fleece? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 ...'Twas on Golden Fleece 3255. Two fantastic Trammps sides, that were only issued in the US on the 'cash-in' "Disco Champs" album, are "Promise Me" and "Just Say The Word". The former - which did come out on a UK PIR flipside - is maybe just a smidge too fast for today's floors (but could be pitched down - 1 and work) but "Just Say the Word" is stupendous stuff. In case you've ever wondered, there's an unreleased vocal to "Trammps Disco Theme". Tom Moulton once told me that Gamble and Huff specifically asked him to mix the multitrack tape as an instrumental due to its melodic similarity to "Penguin At the Big Apple", although he says that the vocal to TDT is not a remake of "Penguin"s vocal, "Zing! Went The Strings Of My Heart"... While I'm here, another good - and hard to find - earlyish PIR release is Bunny Sigler's 1973 dancer "Heaven Knows I've Changed" (PIR 3536). Non-album, as far as I'm aware - and not released in the UK (I have it on a South African PIR, will try to remember to post it up at some point)... TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hee hee - everytime young Mr Guarnori disses Elliot Hoffman on TSOP in public, i always jump in and defend him This must be the third or fourth time in as many years! I actually like the tune....................it's totally non-Philly which is why i think it puts folks off BUT i believe (IMHO) it has a certain charm I think the fact Ian Levine stated it was a Modern Soul monster was the issue.....which it clearly is NOT! Hope you're well Mr G Cheers Steve Well thanks Stevie and enjoying this thread Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Aww Mel, thought we had kissed and made up, dont tell me it was all one way And actually since you mention it should say my user name is actually taken from the very dj/rapper you talk about. For those not in the know there is a great Philly single by Jocko (was he not a famous Philly DJ) called Rythm Talk (I think), to the backing of McFadden and Whitehead Aint No Stopping Us Now he raps all over with the maddest lyrics you could imagine (seriously mad, would have to go over it again) think there is a 7" version and a different 12" version (which is very relevant if you listen to the lyrics). In my early days of collecting I picked this up blind and due to my name it became my signature tune, especially the bit in the middle where he repeats something like Jocko Your The King, even had it on my answer machine for a while in my younger, more cocky days. Must go and dig it out. Now has anyone seen a WD of this, would be great for framing for wall of record room, would probaly pay about £3.50 for that one!! Cheers Jock "Jocko" O'ConnorOh eck I think I might have Jocko I'll have to have a look. Is one of the lines "Gucci made my boots"? Cheeers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest the dukester Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Recommend Trammps - where do we go from here, also Trusting heart - both on Golden Fleece. very cheap tunes Lofty ALSO......... I KNOW THAT FEELING - GOLDEN FLEECE. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi Chris This would be the KC Royals v Phila. "The Philly fanatics are just as mean".....as well as the football one I mentioned yesterday (which has had a few spins from me over the years) there is also a basketball version... Steve Hey Steve, is that the "Philly Philles" (TSOP) version or is that ice hockey? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hey Steve, is that the "Philly Philles" (TSOP) version or is that ice hockey? Cheers Paul Yes the Philly Phillies one. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yes the Philly Phillies one. Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Karlm Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yes the Philly Phillies one. Saw three copies of this in a store today, £3 a piece - is it any good? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Saw three copies of this in a store today, £3 a piece - is it any good? [/quote Nah well not for me anyway, just a lot of "sporting chants" over the basic song. Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 this is a nice Bunny Sigler Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 this is a nice Bunny Sigler Yep, very nice Chunky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think the fact Ian Levine stated it was a Modern Soul monster was the issue... Cheers Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Oh eck I think I might have Jocko I'll have to have a look. Is one of the lines "Gucci made my boots"? Cheeers Paul Maybe it's "Simon Soussan made my 'boots'..." ?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) For those not in the know there is a great Philly single by Jocko (was he not a famous Philly DJ) called Rythm Talk... Cheers Jock "Jocko" O'Connor "Rhythm Talk" it was sure 'nuff. Incidently, I'm pretty certain I heard somebody play a track off the Jocko album not so very long ago, (though that could mean any time in the last 20 years in my little world!) Straight singing vocal I think, and it sounded nice enough! I'm sure Jordy would know, as it may have been him in fact (playing it, not singing on it! - though ya' never know the depth of his particular hidden talents...!) Edited January 31, 2007 by mel brat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think the fact Ian Levine stated it was a Modern Soul monster was the issue... Cheers Steve I WONDERED what the previous reference to Mr. Levine had to do with Elliot Hoffman, as I hadn't heard of IL's comments regarding the tune. (What IS the other side like though?) Another of my faves on TSOP that I almost forgot to mention is the Soul Survivors "What It Takes" which I always felt sure would go down well on the dancefloor. Love that Soul Survivors track for ages, very dancefloor friendly to I'd have thought. Who knows if "Party Time Man'' can do it? I'll check my Elliot Hoffman 45 for yah can't remember if its stereo/mono or what at the moment,..... or if my copy is a demo or not Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 "Rhythm Talk" it was sure 'nuff. Incidently, I'm pretty certain I heard somebody play a track off the Jocko album not so very long ago, (though that could mean any time in the last 20 years in my little world!) Straight singing vocal I think, and it sounded nice enough! I'm sure Jordy would know, as it may have been him in fact (playing it, not singing on it! - though ya' never know the depth of his particular hidden talents...!) You're right, he does sing on one side of his Wand single, but I can't remember whch side. That album, by the way, is a Various Artists album, although it's marketed under Jocko's name. I haven't seen a copy in years but I seem to recall that Jocko's only two tracks were the two that made up both sides of that very same Wand 45. He did have another PIR release, before "Rhythm Talk", called "The Rocketship" - there was definitely a 12 inch promo of it, and probably a commercial one, too. Dunno if it was issued on a US PIR single, but an edited version also came out in various European territories and, I think, here also. He was in his mid sixties when he made his PIR records, by the way! TONE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Great thread this. I would eat my left arm (I use the right one errrr....quite a lot) to hear the Trammps Disco Theme vocal. They're a seriously underated group in Soul circles imho. Agree with The Soul Survivors 'What It Takes'..great record but maybe not strong enough for the dancefloors? Has anyone mentioned the other side of the Ebonys 45 'I'm So Glad I'm Me'? Great Northernesque stomper. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Talkin bout the Trammps.... anyone know if there's a vocal to the brilliant instrumental "Tom's Song" flip to "Hold Back the Night"? (Take i the Tom in title is Tom Moulton?) steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Great thread this. I would eat my left arm (I use the right one errrr....quite a lot) to hear the Trammps Disco Theme vocal. They're a seriously underated group in Soul circles imho. Agree with The Soul Survivors 'What It Takes'..great record but maybe not strong enough for the dancefloors? Has anyone mentioned the other side of the Ebonys 45 'I'm So Glad I'm Me'? Great Northernesque stomper. Where've you been Mr White?!!! I mean 3 pages on Philly and this is your first post? Cheers Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Where've you been Mr White?!!! I mean 3 pages on Philly and this is your first post? Cheers Paul LOL Paul...been a busy week ! I like my Philly outside of the Philly International label too....great stuff on the label (s) of course but often it's the 'other' ones that interest me, with the same musicians and production sounds but on different labels. That being said, Jean Carn 'No No You Can't Come Back Now' on PIR has to come up for a mention in this thread now. Oh, and another two on PIR I just thought of, bit left field but Leon Huff 'I Ain't Jivin', I'm Jammin' and Peoples Choice 'Asking For Trouble' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Blimey, it's started me off now.....how about Jerry Butler 'I'm Just Thinking About Cooling Out' ? What a ******** record ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hope you's are up all saving those soundclips to put on at some point Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) Blimey, it's started me off now.....how about Jerry Butler 'I'm Just Thinking About Cooling Out' ? What a ******** record ! TUNE What's the Nothing Says I Love You Like LP like, worth picking up?? Edited January 31, 2007 by richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 LOL Paul...been a busy week ! I like my Philly outside of the Philly International label too....great stuff on the label (s) of course but often it's the 'other' ones that interest me, with the same musicians and production sounds but on different labels. That being said, Jean Carn 'No No You Can't Come Back Now' on PIR has to come up for a mention in this thread now. Oh, and another two on PIR I just thought of, bit left field but Leon Huff 'I Ain't Jivin', I'm Jammin' Is Jean Carn on 45? How about Leon Huffs "Tight Money" (or is it "The Moneys Tight"?) as the "Wade In The Water" for the new millenium? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul Shrews Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 TUNE What's the Nothing Says I Love You Like LP like, worth picking up?? Oh Yes! and "The Best Love" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Is Jean Carn on 45? How about Leon Huffs "Tight Money" (or is it "The Moneys Tight"?) as the "Wade In The Water" for the new millenium? Jean is on 45...don't know that Leon Huff tho. Soul-Integrity...I've wondered about a vocal to 'Tom's Song' too....I bet there's one in the vaults somewhere. I really like 'Rubber Band' from the same batch. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dodger Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Living The Life - trammps - lp track 14172 refosoul Simon White says they're an under-rated group in soul circles. I have to agree with tracks like this. Not rare, just good. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Baby Im Yours - force of nature - pir One that i dont think been mentioned... Force Of Nature "baby im yours" got Jimmy bishop back wid kenny Gamble here!... and Richard... a sound clip for ya! steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Living The Life - trammps - lp track 14172 refosoul Simon White says they're an under-rated group in soul circles. I have to agree with tracks like this. Not rare, just good. Love it! nice one! steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Edgar Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Touch My Life - dee dee sharp - tsop With Dee Dee's mouth watering (for me) visit to Prestatyn comin up, thort Id stick this ace flip to her "Happy Bout The Whole Thing" 45 up. steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Soul-Integrity said: Baby Im Yours - force of nature - pir One that i dont think been mentioned... Force Of Nature "baby im yours" got Jimmy bishop back wid kenny Gamble here!... and Richard... a sound clip for ya! steve Thats nice and have found a copy but just noticed its on another serial number of 4213. is 4213 a reissue/later or UK issue???? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 He did have another PIR release, before "Rhythm Talk", called "The Rocketship" - there was definitely a 12 inch promo of it, and probably a commercial one, too. Dunno if it was issued on a US PIR single, but an edited version also came out in various European territories and, I think, here also. He was in his mid sixties when he made his PIR records, by the way! TONE i spend a lot of time in portugal and i remember a record im guessing round 84/5 there was this record similar to rhythm talk with the aint no stopping backing, never bought it and never heard it since, for sure it was euro only, cant remember anything more about it though i think so far nobody has mentioned BOBBY BENNETT DAYS GO BY.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Dodger said: Living The Life - trammps - lp track Simon White says they're an under-rated group in soul circles. I have to agree with tracks like this. Not rare, just good. Nice Dodger, what LP is that off please?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dodger Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Nice Dodger, what LP is that off please?? It's from their 1977 album "III". Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Anyone got any idea if the Trammps LP on Golden Fleece is worth picking up as well?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Soul-Integrity said: Touch My Life - dee dee sharp - tsop With Dee Dee's mouth watering (for me) visit to Prestatyn comin up, thort Id stick this ace flip to her "Happy Bout The Whole Thing" 45 up. steve Yes, that's a superb record alright, as is the whole album. Love her to bits! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) Jean is on 45...don't know that Leon Huff tho... I have "Tight Money" on a UK promo only compilation that I won in a Blues & Soul competition way back when! (1980?) Pretty sure it came out on US 45 at least, though not sure about UK. Edited February 1, 2007 by mel brat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 (edited) I like my Philly outside of the Philly International label too....great stuff on the label (s) of course but often it's the 'other' ones that interest me, with the same musicians and production sounds but on different labels.. Loads of great Philly stuff. Philly Devotions anyone? - also Virtue studios (Prince Johnny Robinson), those numerous Philly productions on Salsoul label... Loleatta Holloway on Goldmind, just goes on and on! In 1975 Colin Curtis used to spin "Hit Man" (have forgotten name of group!) on Branding Iron, an obscure Philly group who later went on to become Ten Per Cent I believe! Have another single on Branding Iron also, by none other than Tommy Keith of All Platinum fame. Have you all read Tony Cumming's book "The Philadelphia Story" ? Must dig it out... Edited February 1, 2007 by mel brat Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mel brat Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 (Jocko) was in his mid sixties when he made his PIR records, by the way! TONE Yeah, all well n' good - but could he still DANCE? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve G Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 You sure there? Totally different lyrics. Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jocko Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Oh eck I think I might have Jocko I'll have to have a look. Is one of the lines "Gucci made my boots"? Cheeers Paul Thats the one, and the immortal chorus's of "My Baby's A Man" & "Jocko Jocko your the king" Must dig it out, not sure I ever got the 12" so dont know if its significantly different. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
malayka Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Nobody could ever take yor place - dee dee sharp gamble - philadelphia international OK cheating a bit, not a hard to find one, but stunning Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Nobody could ever take yor place - dee dee sharp gamble - philadelphia international 14192 refosoul Refosoul Rare and Northern Soul Clip library OK cheating a bit, not a hard to find one, but stunning Dave Now thats anice tune- Rarity- How about a 12"45 test press of "Where do you go when the party is over" Archie beel. Another hard one is Anthony white Issue - of never repay your love which has the excellent "Never let you get away from me" Dont see it very often on 45! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Anyone got any idea if the Trammps LP on Golden Fleece is worth picking up as well?? 100% Richard ! I've always rated thier later and not - Philly- really Atlantic track 'Looking For You' too. But then I like anything they did. Not sure if this counts as 'Rarer' (as per thread title) but The O'Jays '992 Arguments' is well worth a mention. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Blimey I'm late for work now...another great one...'Jam Jam Jam (All Night Long)' from Peoples Choice. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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