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If United are given a massive points deduction and the possibility of an demotion to the Championship, and we go on to win the Europa League do you think we will be allowed to play in Europe next season?!! 

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Sorry I don't think it's a debacle.  What has happened is beyond  the clubs control . Why would we get relegated and kicked out of Europe next season.  Celebrate the fact that this will hurt the Glaze

Manchester United fans have always protested against the Glaziers ownership even when we were winning the league most seasons and previously  we protested against Edwards proposed sale to Murdoch/SKYB

Protests of any kind lose any credibility when the idiots get involved , trespassing on the pitch , trying to stop both teams leaving their hotels not the right way to go about things , the game can b




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Sorry I don't think it's a debacle.  What has happened is beyond  the clubs control . Why would we get relegated and kicked out of Europe next season.  Celebrate the fact that this will hurt the Glazers and other sponsors and sky sports  and will hopefully bring about the end of the leeches  that have stolen 1.9 billion  from Manchester United and left is still in debt of 500 million . Glazers out.  

 

 

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Irrespective of the reasons, they should be forfeit the match, three points to the opposition, that is what happens in any other competition/league.

Imagine the outrage from United fans if this was Liverpool fans!

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29 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Irrespective of the reasons, they should be forfeit the match, three points to the opposition, that is what happens in any other competition/league.

Imagine the outrage from United fans if this was Liverpool fans!

It's not the clubs fault.The police basically called the match off. The match will still get played. Just like when other games are called off at the last minute so why deduct points. Oh sky will have to reschedule the biggest match in the Premier league season,  what a shame. 

I don't give a flying fcuk what the scousers think . And they won't about United . 

Glazers out

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Owners of US sports franchises make money out of it. Virtually guaranteed.

Not many owners of UK football clubs make money out of it. The owners of Man United have bucked that trend.

A billion pound loan costs 30 million pounds to finance, or less.

If Man United make more than that in profit, 50 million in 2019...hey ho, a nice big dividend of 20 million for the family.

They are not breaking any laws.

Directors of the company have a duty to make a profit for its shareholders.

Perhaps football clubs should only be ' not for profit' charity status. Until then, many owners will want a cash return on the investment before any other goal.

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Don’t think there was any debacle at all today. I just think that the lack of police presence and inability of the small amount of stewards in and around the ground that where never going to be able to deal with what appeared to be a sizeable orchestrated demonstration.

I whole heartedly agree with both the demonstration and every word that Gary Neville said regarding both the reasons why this occurred and that no fans should underestimate what is happening here . 

There is a greater good to be looked at here, and not just the short term imposition of having to rearrange a fixture .

This whole Super League transformation has not gone away , nor will it , until some laws and guidelines are put in place .

if it takes more disruption , so be it .. 

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It's not the clubs fault.The police basically called the match off. The match will still get played. Just like when other games are called off at the last minute so why deduct points. Oh sky will have to reschedule the biggest match in the Premier league season,  what a shame. 

I don't give a flying fcuk what the scousers think . And they won't about United . 

Glazers out

They were unable to fulfil the fixture due to the actions of their fans.  Any other league right down to grass roots, the failure to fulfil is usually points to the opposition and fines.

At the end of the day the fans are supporting the Galzers by beyond match tickets, sky passes, replica shirts and other merchandise.  Stop doing this and you will then you will see some action.

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Fans need to be careful what they wish for.

At Rotherham, many years ago we had an owner who insisted on running the club like a business. No debt, no speculative purchases.

We were in effect making a £1 profit every year.

The fans wanted more of the owners money investing.

The owner sold the club for £1.

Several years of indebted failure followed. No success, no stability, an embarrassment.

Luckily Tony Stewart took the reigns and we are run once more on sound footing. We live within our means. 

Man United will never go bankrupt, that's for sure, but the owners want a pay day. There's not many Jack Walkers out there these days.

Glazers out might not result in anything better happening with new owners. It would be great if the fans could buy it, but only if its not by borrowed money.

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Fans need to be careful what they wish for.

We live within our means. 

 

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And that is how every club should be forced to live.  

United have spent £717 million on players since 2013. Second highest spend by any club in Europe.  Not like the owners haven't supported managers is it.

Other clubs have protested and done it correctly and made their voice heard.

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And that is how every club should be forced to live.  

United have spent £717 million on players since 2013. Second highest spend by any club in Europe.  Not like the owners haven't supported managers is it.

Other clubs have protested and done it correctly and made their voice heard.

https://talksport.com/football/267582/premier-league-transfer-fees-biggest-spending-clubs-last-25-years-revealed-170810249934/

Karl. Look at the figures since the premier league started. To get a fair point of view . Not just going on the time since Fergie left  Look at the proper statistics not just what suits your argument.  

Other clubs have protested correctly . Not heard spurs or city fans say anything, the Leicester fans have been fantastic in their universal support for the fans of the other clubs,  the three most vocal sets of fans are United   Liverpool and Arsenal.  Oh coincidence they have American owners, don't think so. 

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Kin ell.....£15.2 BIG ONES...on transfers.

Ridiculous.

How do you become a football agent? Mr 10% makes the Glazers look like paupers.

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I will add a couple of things to this though .

One is that all demonstrations like this should be peaceful because if they aren’t they loose the foundations in which they are built. And second that the Premier League themselves have a lot to bare in the way of responsibility . They should have taken decisive, prompt action against the 6 English clubs that started this - LFC included .

No one is being held accountable and this has not gone away 

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I will add a couple of things to this though .

One is that all demonstrations like this should be peaceful because if they aren’t they loose the foundations in which they are built. And second that the Premier League themselves have a lot to bare in the way of responsibility . They should have taken decisive, prompt action against the 6 English clubs that started this - LFC included .

No one is being held accountable and this has not gone away 

Premier league?

Short term no impact because of super league Cup on revenue.

However, if they make 6 enemies...it could simply speed up a super league PERIOD.

That will impact on revenue.

Principles don't pay wages, as they say.

If anybody potentially had a lot to lose, its UEFA....and all they've done is coughed and farted.

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I will add a couple of things to this though .

One is that all demonstrations like this should be peaceful because if they aren’t they loose the foundations in which they are built. And second that the Premier League themselves have a lot to bare in the way of responsibility . They should have taken decisive, prompt action against the 6 English clubs that started this - LFC included .

No one is being held accountable and this has not gone away 

With you all the way Mate. peaceful protest without a doubt,  stopping the game going ahead is just a inconvenience for the clubs involved.  Doesn't affect the fans at the moment with the restrictions in place just the bragging rights.  

Totally agree with you on the way the premier league have so poorly handled the situation.  I would like to see the  clubs relegated with the relevant salary caps on place and banned from Europe for a few years . Now that would hurt the Glazers big time and if that's what it takes for them to go.  Price worth paying but that's purely because I want the Glazers out. 

How can the othe premier league teams actually truly trust the six teams involved because the didn't give a toss about leaving them to pick up the scraps . The six shouldn't be allowed to hold any positions on any English football committees to limit their influence and say on things as a punishment and they should have to abide by the majority club decisions

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2 minutes ago, Diddy Morgan said:

Let the fans run this monster of a business  ,  i dont think so .........

To late for a German type model 51 % fan ownership because the present owners of all the clubs wouldn't allow it . They couldn't be forced to sell their majority shares in the clubs

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Manchester United Football Club once declined to play in the FA Cup competition, as I recall.

Any punishment?

15 clubs say no thanks to UEFA Cup competitions.

Any punishment?

15 clubs say we want our own euro Cup competition...can UEFA stop them really?

Its all about the money, and who are the winners and losers.

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It had been brewing and brewing recently and as i tuned into Radio 5 Live for a bit of footy - NOWT DOING!

FOOKS GAAN ON!!

Is that you Steve on the Telly with the glasses right in there giving it some?

455.5 million in debt surely is a crime, there again who's paying for the governments furlough scheme?

HMMM!

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The corner stone of any democracy is the right to protest.  The civil rights movement led to change due to protest , as long as its peaceful protest will always achieve more than mere written words. Fans are the lifeblood of the clubs and should be heard.  On a different point giving liverpool the 3 points will not hurt utd who are virtually guaranteed top 4 but would my team, west ham and others in the mix but hey que sera sera.

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https://talksport.com/football/267582/premier-league-transfer-fees-biggest-spending-clubs-last-25-years-revealed-170810249934/

Karl. Look at the figures since the premier league started. To get a fair point of view . Not just going on the time since Fergie left  Look at the proper statistics not just what suits your argument.  

Other clubs have protested correctly . Not heard spurs or city fans say anything, the Leicester fans have been fantastic in their universal support for the fans of the other clubs,  the three most vocal sets of fans are United   Liverpool and Arsenal.  Oh coincidence they have American owners, don't think so. 

That link simply backs up my argument with Man U in the top three. 

Neither did I say all clubs, I said other clubs. Chelsea were the most vocal to begin with and it matters not really where the owners are from, the ESL started in Spain. This hasn’t gone away, not for good. It will gone again in a different guise with Man U in the mix.

Seriously though, who is going to take Man United on, pay off that debt, rebuild the crumbling stadium and invest on the same scale the Glazers have?

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Protests of any kind lose any credibility when the idiots get involved , trespassing on the pitch , trying to stop both teams leaving their hotels not the right way to go about things , the game can be played again but that is not the point .

The thing with United is more than just the Glazers ownership it is also the lack of success with is driving the disenchantment at United , they have been spoilt by success and it hurts now they are not top dog anymore.

I do not know the politics at United but the spending under the Glazers has hardly been of spendthrifts they are still up there with the top spenders City and only in today's paper it is reported that a wage of £400,000 is on the table for Pogba .

As said by Chalky the best way to protest is to boycott games don't buy Sky passes etc.

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So if I’m honest I don’t think that protests like boycotting Sky or games ever works .

Maybe we have created the very monster that is eating away at not only the game we all love, but in some form, society in general.

The money train can’t and won’t stop for anyone now.

Peaceful protests always enable passionate people to have their voices heard , but are always susceptible to being hijacked by the minority of troublemakers hell bent on challenging authority for the sake of disruption. Just like the stupid T@@T that broke a window of the Madrid coach entering LFC . 

Overstepping a reasonable mark during acts like these is difficult to manage . Should fans have gatecrashed the stadium and trespassed on the pitch , possibly not.

Should they have demonstrated peacefully outside both the ground and hotels , forcing the game to be cancelled , why not . 

It’s about having your voice heard to as wide an ordinance as possible across the world . Boycotting Sky ain’t going to do it.

The Man Utd fans are not really voicing their frustrations about the Super League idea , it’s about the owners and what they stand for , together with the hard fact that they are not the force they used to be. We ( LFC ) have had to live with that for 30 years and it’s a hard pill to swallow .

The fact is that this is a game we are all very passionate about and it’s changing . It’s not the game it once was , for local lads and lasses that live close to the ground.

It’s a multi-billion pound business and some owners see it as a balance sheet exercise simple as that.

We do need to protect the game we all love. Keep the grass routes - pyramid model working and make sure that clubs like Leicester City can win the Premier Division again and again . 

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But every Sky subscription, every Now TV day pass, every replica shirt, every mug bought by a mug in the club shop....it is all contributing to the game we have today and whilst every fans continue to do this then the owners, TV executives, FA and PL committees will do nothing, the status quo will remain.

Protest only takes you so far. The protest over ESL had a result because the clubs went about it the wrong way.  There is a discussion to be had and you can bet the clubs are having that discussion.  They want the money they claim to be making for others because debt is rife in the game.  A year out of European competition and a club falls way behind those in European competition.

It needs positive action, a year of not buying a TV subscription, a year of not watching the games, a year of not buying the merchandise, that will hit those in power far harder than anything a protest one a pitch can achieve.

Put your money into football where it matters the most, the grass roots game and local football.

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You are right there about a money monster.

£90m for getting into the Premier. You'd think you'd hit the jackpot..

BUT It does not go far with wages of £25m a year for the top players.

So to be top dog, the money has to come from somewhere, and fair play rules restricts outright gifts etc.

Too late for wage caps now, anything less than a trophy a year is failure.

Glad I'm a Rotherham fan actually, where success is cherished, not expected.

Its a real conundrum for the top 6.

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39 minutes ago, Chalky said:

 

It needs positive action, a year of not buying a TV subscription, a year of not watching the games, a year of not buying the merchandise, that will hit those in power far harder than anything a protest one a pitch can achieve.

Karl , you may well be right , but that ain’t going to stop the money trail of finance for clubs that comes from emerging markets . And that’s where the growth is and where these owners know it’s going to be had .

Asia - Scandinavia - China - and it hasn’t yet really opened up in the States. These places won’t boycott merchandise and subscriptions.They are not concerned about the history of the game . 

Its a tuff but to crack - and it’s not going to go away. Change is coming in some form at some point. We just need to try and make sure that the pyramid system is protected and that fans have more of a voice in every club. Not sure it will happen though .

 

Was an easy three points for us anyway - get Harvey and Harry back off loan - did you see Harry’s hat trick at Cardiff -  class 👍

 

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Strange the thought that the utd fans were purely against their owners. I certainly believe that they do despise them but there are much deeper problems i hope they can see. The super league would lead to the clubs involved effectively becoming global.  The average United/ pool fan would be discarded for other markets.  Matches that used to be played at ot and Anfield would be played in new york the far east.... wake up people they are stealing our game our history our religion. The rich are trying to steal our game simple as.🤨

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Manchester United fans have always protested against the Glaziers ownership even when we were winning the league most seasons and previously  we protested against Edwards proposed sale to Murdoch/SKYBSB and others.

Since the Glaziers have loaded the club with debt ticket prices rose 90% for the first 5 years leveraging the season ticket waiting list and making it unaffordable for younger families to attend matches.They have stripped the club of about 1 billion via dividends and interest repayments no other club could withstand that.For the first 8 years of ownership we couldn't compete at the top table in the transfer market resulting in our squad being slowly depleted and titles were still won because of the failure of others and Fergie working miracles but the team needed a complete rebuild.The infra structure of the club has been allowed to deteriorate and requires hundreds of millions spending to bring it upto where it should be for a club of United's stature.

 

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On 03/05/2021 at 10:25, bri phill said:

Manchester United fans have always protested against the Glaziers ownership even when we were winning the league most seasons and previously  we protested against Edwards proposed sale to Murdoch/SKYBSB and others.

Since the Glaziers have loaded the club with debt ticket prices rose 90% for the first 5 years leveraging the season ticket waiting list and making it unaffordable for younger families to attend matches.They have stripped the club of about 1 billion via dividends and interest repayments no other club could withstand that.For the first 8 years of ownership we couldn't compete at the top table in the transfer market resulting in our squad being slowly depleted and titles were still won because of the failure of others and Fergie working miracles but the team needed a complete rebuild.The infra structure of the club has been allowed to deteriorate and requires hundreds of millions spending to bring it upto where it should be for a club of United's stature.

 

Superbly said Bri  here's another link for the ABU  people to read 

Some pundits are pushing dangerous Glazer myth about Man United transfer spend

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-glazers-transfer-debt-20515074#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare

Manchester United fans have achieved their greatest victory

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-protests-glazers-news-20513831#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare

Carragher hits out at Souness over 'lazy punditry' after Man United protest

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-united-protests-jamie-carragher-20518051#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare

Manchester United fans only have one option to eliminate the Glazers

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester-united-protests-glazers-news-20519411#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare

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14 hours ago, Chalky said:

They were unable to fulfil the fixture due to the actions of their fans.  

They where unable to fulfil the fixture due to the actions if the police.

The fans didn't say you can't play it.  🤪

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Football needs a re-set.

Start with introducing a sensible wage structure and this will get rid of players agents who are largely responsible for the spiralling cost of running a football club.

Give the TV rights back to SKY via Satellite dish, these people were the first company to feature Premier League. BT, you stick to what your good at phone lines and internet, and Amazon you stick to delivering and selling goods.

If thing's don't start to change soon you could well be looking at the first Billion Pound Footballer.

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Looks like its make or break in the next few weeks.

Premiership drawing up a charter so any members have to stick to the rules of the pyramid promotion demotion uefa cups etc.

Interesting to see if the big 15 or so walk away. Its now or never I guess.

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I know I “can’t put the genie back in the bottle”....but all this talk of Sky, Now tv, merchandising, etc in the same breath as fan history makes feel ill.

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Looks like its make or break in the next few weeks.

Premiership drawing up a charter so any members have to stick to the rules of the pyramid promotion demotion uefa cups etc.

Interesting to see if the big 15 or so walk away. Its now or never I guess.

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Ed. Here's a bit more detail 

Premier League and FA release statements on ESL after Man Utd protests

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Let's go the whole hog...scrap the Premier league, bring all teams under a not for profit English football association, and spread the TV money more fairly across the whole pyramid.

It says the fa are supporting the Premier league....its the breakaway premier league that's the root cause of the inequality between leagues.

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Just reading on Sky news that one of the Glazers is refusing to apologise over the ESL.  Sunday against the scousers was nothing compared to what will happen now. Are they ( the Glazers so stupid ) as to be totally ignorant of the feeling of the fans. There's already a call to boycott all the club sponsors merchandise.  Which is the start. 

Glazers out 

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Just reading on Sky news that one of the Glazers is refusing to apologise over the ESL.  Sunday against the scousers was nothing compared to what will happen now. Are they ( the Glazers so stupid ) as to be totally ignorant of the feeling of the fans. There's already a call to boycott all the club sponsors merchandise.  Which is the start. 

Glazers out 

Get next Wednesday game cancelled, need a break before the cup final😉🙏👏

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Just reading on Sky news that one of the Glazers is refusing to apologise over the ESL.  Sunday against the scousers was nothing compared to what will happen now. Are they ( the Glazers so stupid ) as to be totally ignorant of the feeling of the fans. There's already a call to boycott all the club sponsors merchandise.  Which is the start. 

Glazers out 

They’ve been ignorant of the fans for 16 years mate, they won’t change.  They need that ESL money.  Was a rumour reported they would be willing to sell for 4 billion 😂 

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On 03/05/2021 at 18:12, Tomangoes said:

Let's go the whole hog...scrap the Premier league, bring all teams under a not for profit English football association, and spread the TV money more fairly across the whole pyramid.

It says the fa are supporting the Premier league....its the breakaway premier league that's the root cause of the inequality between leagues.

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The Premier League was formed partly by the Football Association n the first place. It was known as the Football Association Premier League or summat like until they stepped back a few years later. 

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The Premier league

The Football league

The Football association

3 lots of administrations to pay and all with an empire to protect.

Let's make football great again:) and more streamlined!

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6 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Just reading on Sky news that one of the Glazers is refusing to apologise over the ESL.  Sunday against the scousers was nothing compared to what will happen now. Are they ( the Glazers so stupid ) as to be totally ignorant of the feeling of the fans. There's already a call to boycott all the club sponsors merchandise.  Which is the start. 

Glazers out 

I love your passion Steve.  However the problem is the protest has been going on for years but with no real traction.  The bottom line is there are too many Man U fans ready to attend matches, or just as likely touts to buy season tickets and the ground will be close to a sell out for 90% of the matches.  This is still a small percentage compared to the revenue that is there for merchandise, subscription TV deals from the rest of the world.  At the end of the day, they will decide to go when the money is right, funnily enough which probably would have been within 2 years of  a super league being in place.

It is no different to my mob trying to get Gold/Sullivan/Brady out.  We've even managed to prove we play better without fans there this season!!!

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The root of the ownership problem at United can be traced back to 1991 when Edwards floated the club at the same time as we were playing Barcelona in the Cup Winners Cup final in Rotterdam. Mere mortals like myself had a financial choice, either go to Rotterdam or buy shares. I like most went to Rotterdam & missed out on shares.....Whether this timing was by design or incompetency is open to debate. It did however enable the Glazers (and others) to gradually mop up shares until they were in a position to pounce culminating in an aggressive take over that included the compulsory purchase of shares from M.U.S.T. who were the last men standing refusing to sell.

Whilst not wishing to see anyone (police or supporters) hurt I stand 100% behind the fans actions on Sunday. It's the natural escalation of 16 years of un-noticed protest.

I had to let my 2 season tickets go in 2009 as I couldn't justify the price anymore. One of them had been my dads for years & he was turning in his grave.

These parasites have destroyed United as a club. Its only fair that the fans try & fight back

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The Premier league

The Football league

The Football association

3 lots of administrations to pay and all with an empire to protect.

Let's make football great again:) and more streamlined!

Ed

The FA and the football league never really got on for years and when The PL was mooted they (The FA) didn’t need much persuading the agree to the formation of the new League. But football was in a mess, stadiums were in a mess, something had to be done and the football league were not really up to the modernisation. Again it was the big clubs at the root of the new league. 

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Love the Premier league, after making us "leicester city" play 3 games in 9 days there next stroke of genius is to play the utd /Liverpool game next Thursday after utd have played thur sun tue and then thur the Liverpool game. Always scrupulous fair ..... to Liverpool anyway. 

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This whole thing will run on and on ... and there are an ever increasing number of games to play each season , with more to come next season , what with the new Europa League and Europa Conference League - where will it all end. 

If you are a successful club you will play a lot of games , need a bigger squad , pay out more money , earn more money  ... its a never ending cycle. 

There has to be a balance in all things , and getting this right is a tuff nut to crack. 

If you have ever listed to Simon Jordan ( Talk Sport / Crystal Palace Owner ), he gives another perspective on all of this, the owners side and berates Gary Neville for being extremely hypercritical for his stance on things. Check it out on youtube          

Like him or not , he does talk a lot of sense at times , and calls it for what it is. There must be a middle ground , one where fans , owners , managers , players , football authorities and governing bodies come together and work out practical solutions . The problem is that now we are all divided more than ever , not just in football , but in life.

The rich are getting richer while the poor suffer.  

 

Just don't forget to get out and vote !!  

    

 

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2 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

Love the Premier league, after making us "leicester city" play 3 games in 9 days there next stroke of genius is to play the utd /Liverpool game next Thursday after utd have played thur sun tue and then thur the Liverpool game. Always scrupulous fair ..... to Liverpool anyway. 

4 games in 8 days for United but . Hey ho that's the way if the world.  

Simon Jordan , Sourness and some other guy where saying its because United are not the best team in the country now and that's what caused it all. Knob heads this has been going on since 2005 when we where not only the best team in the country,  but Europe . Wish these knobs  would learn about United history with the Glazers before they shout their gobs off. 

Glazers out.  

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1 hour ago, Winsford Soul said:

4 games in 8 days for United but . Hey ho that's the way if the world.  

Simon Jordan , Sourness and some other guy where saying its because United are not the best team in the country now and that's what caused it all. Knob heads this has been going on since 2005 when we where not only the best team in the country,  but Europe . Wish these knobs  would learn about United history with the Glazers before they shout their gobs off. 

Glazers out.  

There is a lot of misconceptions about man utd and their fan base. Yes they have country wide even global support but the core of their support is pretty much local fans who are as loyal as any fans anywhere. These are the ones behind the demonstrations and the hatred of the glazers has festered for many years its a fairly lazy argument to say its because they are not winning the league. I have no love for united but i try to be honest. 

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12 minutes ago, Leicester Boy said:

There is a lot of misconceptions about man utd and their fan base. Yes they have country wide even global support but the core of their support is pretty much local fans who are as loyal as any fans anywhere. These are the ones behind the demonstrations and the hatred of the glazers has festered for many years its a fairly lazy argument to say its because they are not winning the league. I have no love for united but i try to be honest. 

Totally agree mate..  Something like 80% of season ticket holders have a Manchester postcode then plenty more are from Widnes   Warrington,  Runcorn,  St Helens all within 25 miles . Not counting  all the Lancashire reds, and surrounding areas and that's from someone who was born and bred in Widnes before I moved to Manchester 21 years ago so I have a good idea about local fans.  😀

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3 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

There is a lot of misconceptions about man utd and their fan base. Yes they have country wide even global support but the core of their support is pretty much local fans who are as loyal as any fans anywhere. These are the ones behind the demonstrations and the hatred of the glazers has festered for many years its a fairly lazy argument to say its because they are not winning the league. I have no love for united but i try to be honest. 

I have never lived in Manchester. Always lived down south. I'm no glory hunter either, I started going with my dad & his army mates from Manchester as a kid & fell in love with United. I agree, I'm very much in the minority at Old Trafford (though I havent been every game since 2009), most of the support is as local as any other team in the top flight......One of my first aways was at Leicester in 1972 BTW - We really were crap in those days.

Sorry if I'm jumping in on you lots thread all the while but this really is close to my heart. 

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I have never lived in Manchester. Always lived down south. I'm no glory hunter either, I started going with my dad & his army mates from Manchester as a kid & fell in love with United. I agree, I'm very much in the minority at Old Trafford (though I havent been every game since 2009), most of the support is as local as any other team in the top flight......One of my first aways was at Leicester in 1972 BTW - We really were crap in those days.

Sorry if I'm jumping in on you lots thread all the while but this really is close to my heart. 

Merve.  Don't think anyone can call the likes of me n you glory hunters mate, we couldn't have picked a worse time to start watching United ,72 was my first season watching them as a 13 year old. 

We're forever jumping on the Leicester thread 😁👍

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33 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Merve.  Don't think anyone can call the likes of me n you glory hunters mate, we couldn't have picked a worse time to start watching United ,72 was my first season watching them as a 13 year old. 

We're forever jumping on the Leicester thread 😁👍

This ain't the leicester thread steve 😀but your welcome on there anyway. 

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