Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 It seems that ebay are about to impose a 9% charge on records sold, this plus the paypal fee is going too far. I am thinking of falling in line with many other sellers and introducing a variable postage rate. If I am selling a record that I would expect to reach a minimum of 20 pounds then i would set postage costs at around 15 pounds with a 10p starting price, a 40 pound record would be postage at 30 with a 10p start etc. I would point out in the description that just as ebay are raising seller fees to cover their costs then I was doing the same and point out the actual postage costs for that particular listing, as well as the nominal starting price. Would this work with buyers? Would you bid in these circumstances? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 It seems that ebay are about to impose a 9% charge on records sold, this plus the paypal fee is going too far. I am thinking of falling in line with many other sellers and introducing a variable postage rate. If I am selling a record that I would expect to reach a minimum of 20 pounds then i would set postage costs at around 15 pounds with a 10p starting price, a 40 pound record would be postage at 30 with a 10p start etc. I would point out in the description that just as ebay are raising seller fees to cover their costs then I was doing the same and point out the actual postage costs for that particular listing, as well as the nominal starting price. Would this work with buyers? Would you bid in these circumstances? Did you just say you would charge 15 quid postage? Obviously I'm missing something here. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 It seems that ebay are about to impose a 9% charge on records sold, this plus the paypal fee is going too far. I am thinking of falling in line with many other sellers and introducing a variable postage rate. If I am selling a record that I would expect to reach a minimum of 20 pounds then i would set postage costs at around 15 pounds with a 10p starting price, a 40 pound record would be postage at 30 with a 10p start etc. I would point out in the description that just as ebay are raising seller fees to cover their costs then I was doing the same and point out the actual postage costs for that particular listing, as well as the nominal starting price. Would this work with buyers? Would you bid in these circumstances? Wouldn't try that...it's against eBays fee avoidance rules and you'll be kicked off within a few weeks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Instead of charging high postage, just have higher starting price. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 It's been done before. Ebay will clock you, remove your items and ban you. It's been going on for yeras especially with things like musical instruments from Japan. ie. Item worth $500 starts at 10c but the postage is $500.00. Pete - It 's a way of avoiding the fees. Ebay semt out a warning last year to everyone who was doiung it . Some still try to get through, but Ebay will ban you if they catch you. Ebay....losing it's sheen by the day. Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Instead of charging high postage, just have higher starting price. Defeats the object of avoiding fees. Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Did you just say you would charge 15 quid postage? Obviously I'm missing something here. Yes, 15 quid. lets say i was selling a record like Marvin Gaye/ Tammi Aint no mountain, have sold this a few times, always goes for 20-25 quid. If I charge 15 quid postage and it sells for 7 quid then I pay fees on 7 quid, the buyer still gets the record for the going rate and ebay don't get get an extortionate selling fee, no fees are paid on postage. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Wouldn't try that...it's against eBays fee avoidance rules and you'll be kicked off within a few weeks. There are numerous items being sold every day for very high postage costs and 1p starting bids. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 This seller has got away with it so far. Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com https://cgi.ebay.com/Refine-Unique-Blue-Sax...tem200078162957 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest dundeedavie Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 then start using www.tazbar.com instead Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Yes, 15 quid. lets say i was selling a record like Marvin Gaye/ Tammi Aint no mountain, have sold this a few times, always goes for 20-25 quid. If I charge 15 quid postage and it sells for 7 quid then I pay fees on 7 quid, the buyer still gets the record for the going rate and ebay don't get get an extortionate selling fee, no fees are paid on postage. WTF? Would you pay £15 postage for uk delivery on one 45? If your record doesn't sell for £25 that's because that particular week no-one wants to pay that for it. eBay allows potentially millions of people to see your sale items. If you don't want to pay the fees use other methods of selling. I'm not justifying eBay hiking their fees here - just seems that charging false and inflated postage is completely unethical. Also, if you have to refund an item for some reason I believe you're only obliged to return the actual sale price - not shipping. Not good Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 WTF? Would you pay £15 postage for uk delivery on one 45? If your record doesn't sell for £25 that's because that particular week no-one wants to pay that for it. eBay allows potentially millions of people to see your sale items. If you don't want to pay the fees use other methods of selling. I'm not justifying eBay hiking their fees here - just seems that charging false and inflated postage is completely unethical. Also, if you have to refund an item for some reason I believe you're only obliged to return the actual sale price - not shipping. Not good Godz eBay have certainly hiked up their fees .... I have recently - and to what looks to be the last time because of the fees involved in selling - put three 45s on for sale , and the total fees for the three were £3.00 - 2 @ £ 0.75 and 1 @ £ 1.50 ...... plus VAT . :angry: Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 WTF? Would you pay £15 postage for uk delivery on one 45? If your record doesn't sell for £25 that's because that particular week no-one wants to pay that for it. eBay allows potentially millions of people to see your sale items. If you don't want to pay the fees use other methods of selling. I'm not justifying eBay hiking their fees here - just seems that charging false and inflated postage is completely unethical. Also, if you have to refund an item for some reason I believe you're only obliged to return the actual sale price - not shipping. Not good Godz This postage stuff really bugs me. I bought a record off here from someone, charged me 50 quid, plus 2 quid postage, when I got it it was a bootleg so I sent it back, he refunded my money and the original 2 quid postage but not the second 2 quid it cost me to return it, why should I be out of pocket because someone doesn't know what a bootleg of detroit Soul looks like? Yeah it's only 2 quid but it's the principal. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 WTF? Would you pay £15 postage for uk delivery on one 45? If your record doesn't sell for £25 that's because that particular week no-one wants to pay that for it. eBay allows potentially millions of people to see your sale items. If you don't want to pay the fees use other methods of selling. I'm not justifying eBay hiking their fees here - just seems that charging false and inflated postage is completely unethical. Also, if you have to refund an item for some reason I believe you're only obliged to return the actual sale price - not shipping. Not good Godz Yes, If I was buying a record that I was prepared to pay 100 quid for then I don't care whether it was 99 quid postage and 1 as a bid or the other way round, its still 100 quid. Whether a record sells, or not, is irrelevent, this is about extortionate inflated fees. Ebay are at it. Why the hike in fees when they make millions? I would in those circumstances also return full postage costs when refunding. Can the word "unethical" be used when discussing Ebay???? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) Yes, 15 quid. lets say i was selling a record like Marvin Gaye/ Tammi Aint no mountain, have sold this a few times, always goes for 20-25 quid. If I charge 15 quid postage and it sells for 7 quid then I pay fees on 7 quid, the buyer still gets the record for the going rate and ebay don't get get an extortionate selling fee, no fees are paid on postage. Just a personal opinion, but I'd tend to avoid sellers that did this. People tend to forget that Ebay is (or should be) an auction site, and that there's no 'fixed' price for goods, just what the market rightly or wrongly dictates. On the few items I've sold on Ebay I've fortunately managed to get more than market value, but I've subsequently seen the same records sell for less. Part of the fun in my opinion. And I would imagine that Ebay would wise up to this pretty sharpish, if they haven't already. Edited February 11, 2007 by sweeney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Yes, If I was buying a record that I was prepared to pay 100 quid for then I don't care whether it was 99 quid postage and 1 as a bid or the other way round, its still 100 quid. Whether a record sells, or not, is irrelevent, this is about extortionate inflated fees. Ebay are at it. Why the hike in fees when they make millions? I would in those circumstances also return full postage costs when refunding. Can the word "unethical" be used when discussing Ebay???? Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying then. Aplogies if i do but it seems like you want the benefits of advertising your records on eBay (massive exposure, searchable content, secure payment methods, feedback etc) without paying whatever the going rate is. Two wrongs don't make a right, mate. Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) This postage stuff really bugs me. I bought a record off here from someone, charged me 50 quid, plus 2 quid postage, when I got it it was a bootleg so I sent it back, he refunded my money and the original 2 quid postage but not the second 2 quid it cost me to return it, why should I be out of pocket because someone doesn't know what a bootleg of detroit Soul looks like? Yeah it's only 2 quid but it's the principal. The mailing charge - by next day signed for postage - for a single 45 should be around £ 1.80 . Malc Burton Edited February 11, 2007 by Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I'd tend to avoid sellers that did this. Everyone seems to agree that Ebay fees are unjustified and inflated but many are of the view that they should simply accept it. Why? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying then. Aplogies if i do but it seems like you want the benefits of advertising your records on eBay (massive exposure, searchable content, secure payment methods, feedback etc) without paying whatever the going rate is. Two wrongs don't make a right, mate. Godz Do we really go through our life accepting all the crap that is thrown our way, or do we sometimes fight back and **** those that wrong us. Edited February 11, 2007 by bleusuperb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Do we really go through our life accepting all the crap that is thrown our way, or do we sometimes fight back and **** those that wrong us. Yeah - let's all grow short arms and long pockets. That'll certainly show eBay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sweeney Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Everyone seems to agree that Ebay fees are unjustified and inflated but many are of the view that they should simply accept it. Why? I'm not going to be an apologist for Ebay because a lot of what they do (Paypal for instance) is shocking, but if you were to ask a Record Dealer to sell stuff on your behalf I'm sure they would charge a higher percentage than Ebay. In terms of what you get it's not actually that bad compared to the likes of GEMM say, who charge (I believe) 15% and offer less exposure, and a far less slick operation. As a buyer, Ebay offers a pretty good user experience. As a seller, less so, but many would contend it's a necessary evil until something better comes along. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 The mailing charge - by next day signed for postage - for a single 45 should be around £ 1.80 . Malc Burton best not go there malc, we had this 6 months back when I complained about someone charging me 2.50 for standard first class and several people thought it was fair for folks to charge for their time let alone the postage. I charge 1.80 to 2.00 for first class recorded though when people buy off my list I charge 1.50 for first class recorded Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I charge 1.80 to 2.00 for first class recorded though when people buy off my list I charge 1.50 for first class recorded Using the 'large letter' rate, two 7" singles with two stiffeners in a mailer can be sent first class (inland) for just 65p - or £1.33 if recorded delivery. The mailer and stiffeners have to be paid for so charging £1.00 to £2.00 for a couple of 7" singles is reasonable. Yet many ebay sellers charge £3.50 or more for just one 7" single - and then send it second class!!! One seller recently tried to charge me £7.00 to mail one 7" single first class. I think it was because the winning bid was lower than he would have liked. These practices are out of order and in some cases they are nothing but scams due to refunds not usually including shipping costs. Trust is essential for ebay trading and most people don't trust sellers who charge excessive postage rates. I realise the increased listing fees are hurting sellers but they can't take it out on buyers. If ebay become too greedy, people will have to find (or create) an alternative market. Paul Mooney Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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