The Shakers

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Shufflin said:

Fair enough that, I meant not the original plus it was a question not a statement

It was pressed for the scene, as you said, 6 years after it's original release

btw it's listed on Discogs as a "Reissue" but your point still stands

Discogs is a USA based database and has "guidelines" not "rules" which are often questionable and somewhat biased and sometimes incorrect. 

This is the Guideline section and please note it is based towards those CD thingies

Reissue And Repress

"6.17.1. The 'Reissue' tag can be used when used on the release itself, or the release is referred to as a reissue by the artist, label, or other official sources. It can also be used where the content of the release is not the first issue of the work. This is generally independent of the format - a CD can be a reissue of an LP. It can also be independent of country, but take into account that a work may have its initial releases at different times in different countries, so in general don't use the tag if there is only a short time period (roughly less than 18 months) between the issues.

Often, it can be instinctive that a release is a reissue (for example, when holding an LP from the 1960s, but the jacket and vinyl feel new). It is ok to use the tag here, but please be clear in the submission notes and / or release notes why the tag has been used - remember that people need to be able to distinguish a release they hold just by looking at it, using the notes to describe the release is important and helpful.

 

Reissue should not be used where the work does not appear in its original form, for example, singles that combine two hits together, or CD's that combine two albums, unless the release itself uses that term.

6.17.2. The 'Repress' tag can be used when used on the release itself, or the release is referred to as a repress by the artist, label, or other official sources. You can also use the tag when you can state a good reason for doing so in the release and / or submission notes. A repress must originate from the original master disc, and the term is only applied to formats that are stamped or pressed out, such as vinyl and CD. The 'Reissue' tag can be used in other circumstances, see the guideline for the correct usage of that tag. 'Reissue' and 'Repress' can be used together."

It's a bit as stupid as having different variations from different sources for vinyl grading variations and no wonder record collectors get confused (it is a shame that a worldwide "one system grading" is not in place, but has been that way for decades)

I will take a look closely and amend, if required, to sort

[Blackpoolsoul]

13 hours ago, Shufflin said:

Fair enough that, I meant not the original plus it was a question not a statement

It was pressed for the scene, as you said, 6 years after it's original release

btw it's listed on Discogs as a "Reissue" but your point still stands

I have checked and the first ABC UK release is not listed as re-issue and the probe and others are so seems correct IMHO

Edited February 13, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Soul-slider]

5 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I have checked and the first ABC UK release is not listed as re-issue and the probe and others are so seems correct IMHO

I see where you looked, on discogs, but the Probe UK came out in 1973 and the ABC UK came out in 1974. So the Probe 45 is UK first press. Discogs contradicts itself, if you click on the Probe release this is what is says in the notes:   The first UK release of these 1967 recordings, due to demand from the northern soul scene.

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Soul-slider

[Blackpoolsoul]

17 hours ago, Soul-slider said:

I see where you looked, on discogs, but the Probe UK came out in 1973 and the ABC UK came out in 1974. So the Probe 45 is UK first press. Discogs contradicts itself, if you click on the Probe release this is what is says in the notes:   The first UK release of these 1967 recordings, due to demand from the northern soul scene.

 

I have asked to be changed 

This is interesting (LP labels though) and a useful reference

https://www.cvinyl.com/labelguides/probe.php

https://www.cvinyl.com/labelguides/abc.php

Edited February 14, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[grantdyche]

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[Nsg]

On 04/01/2018 at 06:52, Zoomsoulblue said:

A soul boy - what about the dog sound - in one wonderful moment - who came up with that , why - big hand clapping part of the record ?

This maybe of interest to you from a chat group in 2008

“”Martin bailey
here my dear is a memory of the golden years of soul music,i was in the stinky toilets of the golden torch in tunstall with my mate phil having a row about whether or not a dog barks in the second chorus of one wonderful moment. it does i swear. we only ever heard the record at the torch or later at the bali hai in newcastle under lyme on a sunday nightso we never really settled the argument. daft what you remember isn't it but i swear whenever i am passing through smoke on trent or up porthill bank into wolstanton ( watlands youth club forever)i keep my eyes peeled for wonderful moments and barking dogs.great show mary play us the dog bark for old times sake.””

 

 

[Zoomsoulblue]

21 minutes ago, Nsg said:

This maybe of interest to you from a chat group in 2008

“”Martin bailey
here my dear is a memory of the golden years of soul music,i was in the stinky toilets of the golden torch in tunstall with my mate phil having a row about whether or not a dog barks in the second chorus of one wonderful moment. it does i swear. we only ever heard the record at the torch or later at the bali hai in newcastle under lyme on a sunday nightso we never really settled the argument. daft what you remember isn't it but i swear whenever i am passing through smoke on trent or up porthill bank into wolstanton ( watlands youth club forever)i keep my eyes peeled for wonderful moments and barking dogs.great show mary play us the dog bark for old times sake.””

 

 

NSG - deffo dog barking - I remember not only at the casino and other venues of the time - but driving from Wigan back to Aldershot with a tape recorder running out of batteries and going over the same section / play / rewind / play / rewind etc etc time and time again - speed come downs who needs them