Guest Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 THE TYMES - HERE SHE COMES - PARKWAY 933 Just a few questions if anyone can help: I have a white Parkway Demo 933 (Monarch stamp and delta 54132) which I am told was the B side to "The twelfth of never" their final release for Parkway in November 1964. I also see that "Anymore" was the B side to "The twelfth of never" on Parkway 933 also. Why did they have two different B sides? "Here she comes" was released as Parkway 924 with "Malibu" as the flip in September 1964 Why would they put their last release as the B side for their new release and then change it? How many Parkway 933s have "Here she comes" as the B side. Was it a mistake at the pressing plant? Is is Rarer than the other release? Can Anyone throw any light on this ? It just seems really odd to me! Cheers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 THE TYMES – HERE SHE COMES – PARKWAY 933 Just a few questions if anyone can help: I have a white Parkway Demo 933 (Monarch stamp and delta 54132) which I am told was the B side to "The twelfth of never" their final release for Parkway in November 1964. I also see that "Anymore" was the B side to "The twelfth of never" on Parkway 933 also. Why did they have two different B sides? "Here she comes" was released as Parkway 924 with "Malibu" as the flip in September 1964 Why would they put their last release as the B side for their new release and then change it? How many Parkway 933s have "Here she comes" as the B side. Was it a mistake at the pressing plant? Is is Rarer than the other release? Can Anyone throw any light on this ? It just seems really odd to me! Cheers The final Parkway single, 'The Twelfth Of Never', was put out with two b sides, 'Here She Comes' and 'Anymore', but the 'Anymore'  label was a cocked up at the printing stage and does say 'Anymore' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 The final Parkway single, 'The Twelfth Of Never', was put out with two b sides, 'Here She Comes' and 'Anymore', but the 'Anymore' label was a cocked up at the printing stage and does say 'Anymore' Was "Here she comes" put on the b side by mistake? What were they up to? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 John Manship had another version which played a completely different track! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phil Shields Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have a copy which says here she comes but plays the wonderful i wont cry anymore Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have a copy which says here she comes but plays the wonderful i wont cry anymore Yep that must be the one I was on about above Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have a copy which says here she comes but plays the wonderful i wont cry anymore Hi is that the one I sold last year to someone on SS? Julian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have a copy which says here she comes but plays the wonderful i wont cry anymore Thats a brilliant record !!!! So it seems the men in the pressing plants at monarch in late 1964 were either on YTS Scemes or puffing away on joints on their T breaks Who knows? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 HI, I'VE GOT A W DJ COPY WITH # HERE SHE COMES ( 924 # TWELTH OF NEVER ( 933 MUST BE A BOOT OF SOME SORT, BUT I BOUGHT THIS FROM A LEW STANLEY AUCTION. ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. JOE. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Phil Shields Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hi is that the one I sold last year to someone on SS? Julian No i didn't get it on here. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) HI, I'VE GOT A W DJ COPY WITH # HERE SHE COMES ( 924 # TWELTH OF NEVER ( 933 MUST BE A BOOT OF SOME SORT, BUT I BOUGHT THIS FROM A LEW STANLEY AUCTION. ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. JOE. That is really odd ? Its got "Here she comes" release No.924 as the first release in September 64 and the "Twelfth of never" release No.933 wich was November 64. So two separate release numbers on one record ????? Its either a boot or the weed they were smoking at that pressing plant was stronger than I thought ? And is that dated as 1962 ? Pete Smith..........please ??? Edited August 1, 2007 by mossy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 HI, IT IS DATED 1962, NO MONARCH NUMBER, JUST P933A & P934 BR & A FAINT STAMP ( WHICH I CAN'T READ ) IN THE RUNOUT, IT COULD BE A BOOT , BUT AS I BOUGHT IT OFF LEW STANLEY I WONDER, HE'S ONE OF THE TOP SELLERS IN THE U S A , JOE. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 That is really odd ? Its got "Here she comes" release No.924 as the first release in September 64 and the "Twelfth of never" release No.933 wich was November 64. So two separate release numbers on one record ????? Its either a boot of the weed they were smoking at that pressing plant was stronger than I thought ? And is that dated as 1962 ? Pete Smith..........please ??? The 1962 date, you mean the one printed on the label? Doesn't mean anything apart from the fact they copyrighted the label in that year. Apart from that - don't ask me! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted August 1, 2007 Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hi is that the one I sold last year to someone on SS? Julian No, the fat old fart you sold it to has still got it! :-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 P924BR scratched in ON HERE SHE COMES SIDE P924A-R-2 ON MALIBU BOOT OR NOT THANKS KEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 on first glance that looks like the boot kev dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) My original west coast demo copy has a monarch stamp on it and the matrix puts it at 1964 - it has 12th of never on the flip (which is actually the the A side on the December 64 release) The other demo is the original east coast release of "12th of never" Thats my take on the ones we were looking at. Yours would be a west cost demo of the september release if there was one . I Reckon yours should be styrene and morarch stamped like the december release. but the printing / font dosent look authentic to me. but who knows, whats in the run out ? Edited July 24, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 NO MONARCH STAMP NOT EVEN A HINT OF ONE JUST THE SCRATCH INS . TOO LATE NOW AS I HAVE SOLD IT ON THE BAY AS A BOOT . BUT SOME BODY SENT ME A MESSAGE SAYING IT LOOKED REAL AND THAT GOT ME THINKING, ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS DODGY EVEN REPLACED IT WITH AN ISSUE KEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Delta # 54838 Delta # 54132 - X Still has the Delta # 54132-X from the previous release I assume. I don't own the Malibu Release on a Monarch to check. Definitely Unusual as normally would be like the one below - Same Delta # with "-X" for the B Side Delta # 59086 Delta # 59086 - X Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Delta # 54838 Delta # 54132 - X Still has the Delta # from the previous release I assume. I don't own the Malibu Release on a Monarch to check. Definitely Unusual as normally would be like the one below - Same Delta # with "-X" for the B Side Delta # 59086 Delta # 59086 - X That will be the west coast monarch styrene issue - the partner to my demo i suspect ? the december west coast demo has the right number - the east coast december demo has the september release number for "here she comes" but correct for 12thh of never..........LOL Edited July 24, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 In brackets under the Time (45-P-924-B) Yet P-933 also on the label, so the Printer was expecting it to my way of thinking. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I must dig them out and check the B-sides. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) In brackets under the Time (45-P-924-B) Yet P-933 also on the label, so the Printer was expecting it to my way of thinking. yes the west coast 12th of never demo has the original number of HSC in brackets and the new number at the bottom - I have been told the west coast Demo is actually quite rare ? this thread is about 4 years old, funny how they pop up again, i remember reaserching the parkway discog and the monarch numbering system. a great little tale of the 2 releases and the mispress Edited July 24, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
steve Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
JOE TORQUAY Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 HI, I'VE GOT A W DJ COPY WITH # HERE SHE COMES ( 924 # TWELTH OF NEVER ( 933 MUST BE A BOOT OF SOME SORT, BUT I BOUGHT THIS FROM A LEW STANLEY AUCTION. ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. JOE. i've since been told this is an original release, i'm told they were running short of money and were using up old lables that they had, having a last fling before they went under, joe. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) i've since been told this is an original release, i'm told they were running short of money and were using up old lables that they had, having a last fling before they went under, joe. totally, yours is the vinyl east coast DJ copy of "12th of never" - the december release the east cost september release ( the one above) has "Malibu" on the flip so we have 3 different demos - one east coast from september 64 and two (east and west) from december 64 the only demo we are missing here is the west coast september release - if there is one. which is what the bootleg is made to look like. we have the west coast december issue from roger is there no monarch west coast september issue or demo ? trainspotting at its best ! Edited July 25, 2011 by dancecrasher Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
steve Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 On closer inspection it looks like the 'DJ copy, not for sale' and the 1962 cameo parkway records round the bottom edge of the lable seems to be added at a later or earlier time. Did they press just the lable first and the artist and song later on? answers needed on this please my friends, thank you Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Hi guys, sorry to drag up an old thread, but I have just managed to secure this Demo, and just wanted to make sure from the experts if it's proper or not. Thank you Edited February 26, 2016 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I'm really glad you re-opened this thread. I got out my copy (which I always thought was legit) to compare it to yours and noticed a huge difference between your copy and mine. Now I'm having second thoughts about my copy. Can someone post the matrix details for a East Coast vinyl copy and remove this doubt ?? Thanks in advance !!! Edited February 26, 2016 by the yank 2 pics Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Yes this is why I reopened the thread, there are so many different copies of this and label designs it's really hard to know what's what. I only bought mine yesterday and haven't got it yet, so can't post matrix numbers of mine yet. I will when I get it through though. Strange that yours has no indication of whether it's a Promo/DJ copy, although it is a white label. Edited February 26, 2016 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I never noticed there was no "D.J. COPY NOT FOR SALE" until I looked at your copy. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Louise Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 5 hours ago, the yank said: I'm really glad you re-opened this thread. I got out my copy (which I always thought was legit) to compare it to yours and noticed a huge difference between your copy and mine. Now I'm having second thoughts about my copy. Can someone post the matrix details for a East Coast vinyl copy and remove this doubt ?? Thanks in advance !!! Hi, hasn't it got a Frankford & Wayne stamp in the runout grooves. Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 There is some kind of a stamp but its so light I can't tell what it says. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Hi All there are to many variations of this classic for me, that's why I have a UK Demo, plus it's the rarest. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, dthedrug said: Hi All there are to many variations of this classic for me, that's why I have a UK Demo, plus it's the rarest. How about a cameo parkway test press? - surely rarer than the UK demo? tymes.pdf tymes2.pdf Edited February 27, 2016 by JulianB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 On 27/02/2016 at 11:37, JulianB said: How about a cameo parkway test press? - surely rarer than the UK demo? tymes.pdf tymes2.pdf Hi All Yes I agree the UK PYE test pressing is the rarest form that exists, I gave my copy to Mick Smith about 6 years ago along with all the top Cameo Parkway UK soul releases, the truth of the matter collectors of rare UK soul don't want them as such the price is low even for top records, test pressings sell for around £100 for the TYMES which is cheap as there are small in number, under 10. compared to the price of a DEMO £300+, this is just my opinion others may see test pressing as the crown jewels, they are only worth more if they have a unreleased take on them, the TYMES test press is the same as the issue. but II do agree it is the rarest. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Hi back again to try to sort out whether or not the one I have just purchased is a boot or an orig. It is the USA Parkway Demo with 'Malibu' on the flip. On both sides there is a row of tiny dots or a stamp too small to read even with a jewelers loupe. Scratched into the run out on the 'Here she comes' side is P924BR , and on the 'Malibu' side is P924 (AA scratched out) and then A-R-2. Any ideas please? Edited March 3, 2016 by Northern Soul UK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 My copy has the same info in the run out grooves. Hopefully, both are originals? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, the yank said: My copy has the same info in the run out grooves. Hopefully, both are originals? Hopefully! There so many variations tho' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 On 8/1/2007 at 20:09, JOE TORQUAY said: HI, I'VE GOT A W DJ COPY WITH # HERE SHE COMES ( 924 # TWELTH OF NEVER ( 933 MUST BE A BOOT OF SOME SORT, BUT I BOUGHT THIS FROM A LEW STANLEY AUCTION. ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. JOE. As always it's in the run-out. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Theothertosspot Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) Only just picked up on this thread. The copy I have (see pics) has P933A scratched in on TON side and P924BR on HSC side. Both sides are Frankford Wayne stamped. Is this legit? Edited April 21, 2023 by Theothertosspot Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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