Whos Gunna Carry The Soul Scene On?

[Guest Impetejones]

Right, now that all you soulies are sayin under 18s shouldn't be allowed in and our parents are forcing us, you're all wrong!!! We choose to go to these venues and enjoy the music. We all enjoy to dance and get on with people who go to these venues. If you are wonderin who shouldn't be allowed in, it should be children that are been brought without realising where they are going I.E. Under 10 years old. I personally think if we are the ones to keep the faith alive, then you as soulies should support us in doin so.

Thank You.

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

Depends on what soulies use term young say under 20 or what.

i am 26 and hope that in 10 or 20 years i can still go out and enjoy the music and have like minded people who are say 40 now into the scene and 60 then to still be around doing it. It's the ones who are 50 now and thinking i be 70 then. I shall not abandon it but hope that there is a few more my age and younger to come along aswell those oldies who can come

[Guest rachel]

And how old are you Pete?

[Guest Impetejones]

And how old are you Pete?

I'm 16 Rachel.

[Guest rachel]

Can you do us an intro in the new members' section https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showforum=44 Ta

[Guest Impetejones]

Can you do us an intro in the new members' section https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showforum=44 Ta

which one do i go on theres loads

[Guest rachel]

which one do i go on theres loads

Start a new topic in there - just tell us a bit about yourself.. it's only polite to say hello before you jump in with both feet!

[Guest Paul]

Hello,

The soul scene can't survive without new blood so it's good to see younger people showing an interest in soul music.

I was under age (and still at school) when I first went to The Pendulum, The Highland Room and The Casino. I remember being refused entry at Va Va's for being too young so I had to sleep in the bus station. It must have been 1974.

I don't understand how anyone can object to a teenager wanting to do exactly what we did as teenagers.

Paul Mooney

[Brav]

Hello,

The soul scene can't survive without new blood so it's good to see younger people showing an interest in soul music.

I was under age (and still at school) when I first went to The Pendulum, The Highland Room and The Casino. I remember being refused entry at Va Va's for being too young so I had to sleep in the bus station. It must have been 1974.

I don't understand how anyone can object to a teenager wanting to do exactly what we did as teenagers.

Paul Mooney

Well said Paul, it was the same for me but being 6' 2'' wasn't a problem for me getting in anywhere.

But i do remember having to go to the Toilets at Wigan in 2s otherwise you came out with no money or even your Denim Jacket, It was a frightening time when your 16. So pleased its not like that now on our scene for our younger generation.

[Guest Baz]

Well certainly not a handful of 13/15/16 year olds thats for sure, What scene are you actually talking about any way, the local scene for local people or the bigger picture?

Get Chris Moyals out of your heads cus like he, no one is the saviour of nowt.

Go to any of the nighters today there is a fair amount of younger generation there, word is spreading, but if you really, really want to 'save' the scene go and read some of the 'young soulie' debates in All About the soul, cus im tired of repeating my self on that one.

Im sorry but nurturing a couple of teenagers aint gonna make any effect, most of them that age will proberly think its tooo gay any way

When you are old enough will you break away from mum and dad and travel to some of the countrys nighters and the like or just stay in the saftey of the locals?

[Dave Thorley]

The Germans, Spanish, Italians and Scandinavians

[Reg]

I'm 38 years old, I've got a house full of children so I really don't want to socialise with em to be honest. It's bad enough going out and about with young Rachel looking like her mother without teenagers to make me feel even more ancient. I don't give a monkey's nads whether there's anybody to carry the scene on or not because I'll be knackered or dead by then

Victoria Meldrew

[Guest rachel]

I'm 38 years old, I've got a house full of children so I really don't want to socialise with em to be honest. It's bad enough going out and about with young Rachel looking like her mother without teenagers to make me feel even more ancient. I don't give a monkey's nads whether there's anybody to carry the scene on or not because I'll be knackered or dead by then

Victoria Meldrew

Oh nonsense, when I was blonde people thought we were twins

Don't have time to post much at the moment as I'm going out for the day with my real mum .. but I still can't get my head round 16-17 year olds who want to socialise with their parents - I've said this before and someone commented that my views were outdated and maybe they are but it's so alien from my own experience - I'd happily go to the pub with them now but I certainly wouldn't want to be on a 'proper' full on night out with them.

I also still maintain my view that it's gimmicky to have little kids DJing (I can't stand things like Junior Stars In Their Eyes either for the same reason), and I'm getting the impression that there's a few young teenagers about with a rather sugar-coated impression of the soul scene because, as Baz says, they haven't been outside their few local clubs.

[Mormar44]

Right, now that all you soulies are sayin under 18s shouldn't be allowed in and our parents are forcing us, you're all wrong!!! We choose to go to these venues and enjoy the music. We all enjoy to dance and get on with people who go to these venues. If you are wonderin who shouldn't be allowed in, it should be children that are been brought without realising where they are going I.E. Under 10 years old. I personally think if we are the ones to keep the faith alive, then you as soulies should support us in doin so.

Thank You.

We were discussing this at the weekend and for me personally its very simple. If you can feel the music your in whatever your age, race, height or weight !! As long as its the individuals own choice and they have not been forced to come along by their parents.

I'd rather have young people at a soul night who are into the music than some of the pissheads who come in off the street for a late drink and then start taking the piss out of everybody.

As Dave has said one of the many good things about going to events abroad is the wide range of ages that you get attending. Everybodys welcome which is how it should be.

Mark

[Dave Thorley]

We were discussing this at the weekend and for me personally its very simple. If you can feel the music your in whatever your age, race, height or weight !! As long as its the individuals own choice and they have not been forced to come along by their parents.

I'd rather have young people at a soul night who are into the music than some of the pissheads who come in off the street for a late drink and then start taking the piss out of everybody.

As Dave has said one of the many good things about going to events abroad is the wide range of ages that you get attending. Everybodys welcome which is how it should be.

Mark

Plug I know, but get yourselves over to Bamberg next year and experience it for yourselves. Great weekend, stunning city, cool people.

[Guest]

The Germans, Spanish, Italians and Scandinavians

Not good for the enviroment tho`is it.

Edited October 15, 2007 by ken

[Tomangoes]

Theres one or two points I would like to make on this topic.

Between the ages of 14 to 20, Northern Soul music and its scene were more important to me than anything else. I hope todays kids get as much out of it as I did.

At 46, its just a part of the rest of my life, and mainly nostalgia.

Remember the term 'Northern Soul Freak', well there were tens of thousands of them, all teenagers, so for sure, and if todays teenagers latch on they should be welcomed and educated.

The music is special and unique and there to be shared by those fortunate enough to have been introduced to it, and thats a fact.

Ed

[Guest Trevski]

No problem with any young folk that are old enough to attend. Think 16 is ok, in my book, was going at a younger age than that..but.. big BUT, do it the right way.

Learn what the scene is about.

Don't start giving it large with opinions before you know what you're on about. Don't dress like a freak, stay away from the decks,for a few years at least.

Also forget this "Saviours of the scene" business. Most saviors end up nailed to an uncomfortable lump of wood! Just get on and enjoy it for what it is, and leave the politics to the old folks!

Edited October 15, 2007 by Trevski

[Stormin Si]

The scene will always carry on as there is an increasing number of young people attending nighters.

It is the politics that will die with the older generation.

[Guest Trevski]

The scene will always carry on as there is an increasing number of young people attending nighters.

It is the politics that will die with the older generation.

Doubt that very much. The youngsters will just re-brand it like 'new Labour'. If, in 20 years time the scene still remains and is populated by todays teens and 20's, they will still have politics.

Had them when the scene was young, and all were that age, will still have 'em 20yrs hence.

Or are the youth gonna create some utopia where everyone gets on and loves one another?

Hippies tried that, and what happened to them? Dead as disco!

Edited October 15, 2007 by Trevski

[Stormin Si]

When you are old enough will you break away from mum and dad and travel to some of the countrys nighters and the like or just stay in the saftey of the locals?

I don't see why he wouldn't. I did.

[Guest ShaneH]

The scene will always carry on as there is an increasing number of young people attending nighters.

It is the politics that will die with the older generation.

the politics will never die.

there will always be people who prefer 60s over 70s, faster over slower, 2 rooms rather than one etc etc etc

[Stormin Si]

Or are the youth gonna create some utopia where everyone gets on and loves one another?

Yes. I have already made detailed plans for such utopia. I don't however plan to implement these plans for another 15 years as this is the amount of time I anticipate it will take to create a working model, find sponsors and patent my design.

If you are still around then, lets hope I don't discriminate against old people and you are welcome to come see it for yourself

Lets not get too serious mate

[Reg]

Yes. I have already made detailed plans for such utopia. I don't however plan to implement these plans for another 15 years as this is the amount of time I anticipate it will take to create a working model, find sponsors and patent my design.

If you are still around then, lets hope I don't discriminate against old people and you are welcome to come see it for yourself

Lets not get too serious mate

Give it a few years when your hair starts falling out and the waistline starts to expand...you'll be stroking that chin and taking needles off records with the rest of em

I personally have nothing against younger people on the soul scene(I'm married to one ha ha)..I just can't get to grips with children being out and about. Because I have children myself it makes me a bit uncomfortable. I know this thread was probably started in response to the age restriction thread the other day which was actually nothing to do with discriminating against children-just protecting the site.

[Guest Pete Griffin]

Start a new topic in there - just tell us a bit about yourself.. it's only polite to say hello before you jump in with both feet!

Oops, to late for me then

[Toodarnsoulful]

unfortunately i think the politics will be there in some shape of fashion, its all good and natural.. but hey f*** it! sure it'll be a bit of craic and we can all have a laugh about it when we're out dancing about!!... the politics is fine, its how its allowed to manisfest itself..that is up to our generation to make sure that violence, discrimination or serious incidents hopefully dont come from politics within the scene we love so much....

In Soul

L

[Stormin Si]

Give it a few years when your hair starts falling out and the waistline starts to expand...you'll be stroking that chin and taking needles off records with the rest of em

I personally have nothing against younger people on the soul scene(I'm married to one ha ha)..I just can't get to grips with children being out and about. Because I have children myself it makes me a bit uncomfortable. I know this thread was probably started in response to the age restriction thread the other day which was actually nothing to do with discriminating against children-just protecting the site.

Yes at the end of the day allnighters are the same as club nights, pubs, concerts, tattoo parlours and lapdancing/strip joints.

It is entertainment aimed at adults! And I certainly never went to concerts when I was young

I think there is a definite line that differentiates between young adults and children and the former should be welcomed providing they are infact young "adults"

My waistline is already starting to expand, I must get back on the allnighter diet very soon!

[Winnie :-)]

Oh nonsense, when I was blonde people thought we were twins

Don't have time to post much at the moment as I'm going out for the day with my real mum .. but I still can't get my head round 16-17 year olds who want to socialise with their parents - I've said this before and someone commented that my views were outdated and maybe they are but it's so alien from my own experience - I'd happily go to the pub with them now but I certainly wouldn't want to be on a 'proper' full on night out with them.

I also still maintain my view that it's gimmicky to have little kids DJing (I can't stand things like Junior Stars In Their Eyes either for the same reason), and I'm getting the impression that there's a few young teenagers about with a rather sugar-coated impression of the soul scene because, as Baz says, they haven't been outside their few local clubs.

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The question could be asked why would people of yours and Baz's age want to socialise with 50 year olds? Massive age difference so probably not a lot in common? The one constant is the music which hopefully is what these new youngsters have recognised. Not a dig at either of you, just confusing that you're both young and taking what appears to be a similar viewpoint to that of the 'ancients'. One post, I think it's Trev's says something about not spouting off opinions, and don't get behind the decks for a few years etc, and this is advice supposedly for the new kids on the block. What absolute tosh!! My advice to youngsters would be don't listen to people young or old who want to oppress you. Get out enjoy the music, enjoy dancing and speak your mind. From a musical point of view the scene is there for anyone to enjoy, and if there's a too young, shouldn't there be a too old??

Winnie:-)

[Guest Stuart T]

The Germans, Spanish, Italians and Scandinavians

And it'll be a lot more fun going to an allnighter, think you can smoke in Sspain again. I personally don't think someone's age should matter at all. There are enough badly behaved adults around as it is, taking drugs, having sex outside of marriage, dressing in stupid clothes and staying out all hours.

[Guest]

NETTO`s.

Edited October 15, 2007 by ken

[Guest Trevski]

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The question could be asked why would people of yours and Baz's age want to socialise with 50 year olds? Massive age difference so probably not a lot in common? The one constant is the music which hopefully is what these new youngsters have recognised. Not a dig at either of you, just confusing that you're both young and taking what appears to be a similar viewpoint to that of the 'ancients'. One post, I think it's Trev's says something about not spouting off opinions, and don't get behind the decks for a few years etc, and this is advice supposedly for the new kids on the block. What absolute tosh!! My advice to youngsters would be don't listen to people young or old who want to oppress you. Get out enjoy the music, enjoy dancing and speak your mind. From a musical point of view the scene is there for anyone to enjoy, and if there's a too young, shouldn't there be a too old??

Winnie:-)

That advice, which stood me in good stead 30 odd years ago, counts for any newbies, young or old.

Not trying to oppress, just advise the best way to integrate yourself onto the scene. Nobody, I would hazard a guess, likes a 'five minute wonder' who think they know better than everyone else!

Anyone spouting off opinions of a scene to which they have only been a member for five minutes looks a right pr**k, IMHO.

Speaking ones mind is fine, as long as you know from wence you speak, and that only comes with time and experience. Not putting them down, just trying to avoid them making a fool of themselves.

I like a round of golf, but I havn't been at it long. I wouldn't presume to tell a veteran how to play a 7 iron fade shot around a dog-leg, I don't know enough. Same applies, in my book.

[Guest Paul]

The fact is that many young people today express themselves in more direct and confident ways than we did at their age. That's the way it is now and the problem is that it often comes across as arrogance.

But we shouldn't just dismiss them all, we should at least try to encourage and guide them a little bit.

Paul Mooney

[Guest ScooterNik]

If they enjoy it and are doing it for a love of the music then whats the problem? If they are confident enough to try their hand at DJing, and have the records, then let them loose. If it all goes wrong then hopefully people will remember that most DJs had bad nights when they were learning the trade and give them another go. And another. And another, until they either decide that its not for them or they become regular DJs on the scene. The current DJs won't be around for ever and I'd rather have someone with 5 years of local nights under their belt than someone who thinks they can take on a large all nighter crowd with no experience.

The one downside to that is that I can see old timers going 'Oh, I remember that being played 30 years ago' to every tune the youngsters are enthusiastic about. I know I've said this before, but one mans played out oldie is another mans newie, certainly if the second man is new to the scene. We can't all be groundbreaking DJs, some of us are happy to just fill the floor with good sounds and hope to find the occasional gem thats been overlooked or forgotten about.

(Bear in mind here that my personal DJing experience is almost entirely on the scooter scene and that argument may not hold up too well.....!)

[Kevinkent]

I think it's great to see youngsters on the Scene.

NOT the schoolkids that get dragged along to an all-dayer by their parents and amuse themselves by running and sliding across a talc'd floor - that is so fkin annoying and I say ban those kids and their parents from the venue.

But any youngster, of any age, that comes of their own accord, that loves the music and wants to be part of it, is more than welcome IMO.

Thing is, as they progress, what will happen? They probably can't afford to collect and therefore won't be able to DJ untill they're ancient like the rest of us, 'cos they're not allowed to play Boots or CD's of course.

How many DJ's / collectors are going to pass on their treasured vinyl to the next generation without demanding a fortune for it?

If I'm financially stable (when I stop buying vinyl) I just might do that. I've already been inspired recently by someone just out of their teens who dances their socks off and shows real passion for the music. When the time comes that I can no longer get out and about what better thing could I do than hand over my decks, peaveys etc and 1000+ pieces of vinyl to a worthy youngster.

Keep the Faith, nurture it, pass it on.

Some things are worth more than their monetary value.

"STOLEN HOURS" 1st Anniversary, ***RAMSGATE*** 24th NOVEMBER.

2 Rooms + Accomodation + Free unissued Vinyl (first 100 tickets)

*** Change of venue - see Events thread ***

Edited October 15, 2007 by KevinKent

[Winnie :-)]

That advice, which stood me in good stead 30 odd years ago, counts for any newbies, young or old.

Not trying to oppress, just advise the best way to integrate yourself onto the scene. Nobody, I would hazard a guess, likes a 'five minute wonder' who think they know better than everyone else!

Anyone spouting off opinions of a scene to which they have only been a member for five minutes looks a right pr**k, IMHO.

Speaking ones mind is fine, as long as you know from wence you speak, and that only comes with time and experience. Not putting them down, just trying to avoid them making a fool of themselves.

I like a round of golf, but I havn't been at it long. I wouldn't presume to tell a veteran how to play a 7 iron fade shot around a dog-leg, I don't know enough. Same applies, in my book.

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It's a sad scene, if it's become somewhere you can't voice opinions because you haven't been on it long enough and if we all adopt that attitude it will be in it's death throes before we know it. The problem with that as I see it is when can it be considered you've paid your dues? Rach and Baz for example are in their 20Ts, have they reached an age where it can be construed that they've something useful to contribute? I think they have musically and that's the dominant factor as far as I'm concerned and IMO should be the same for these youngsters 10 years younger. At the tender age of 15/16/ it has to be recognised IMO that those new to the scene are going to discover sounds that they really like, that were played to death 30 years ago. I've seen enough posts on SS to discourage natural progression through villifying taste/preferences to think we could lose potential new blood is all I'm saying.

The golf analogy has one flaw IMO and that is if you've talent it won't take you 30 years to recognise how you play that particular hole, same applies to new people coming onto the scene.

Winnie:-)

[Guest Bearsy]

I think it's great to see youngsters on the Scene.

NOT the schoolkids that get dragged along to an all-dayer by their parents and amuse themselves by running and sliding across a talc'd floor - that is so fkin annoying and I say ban those kids and their parents from the venue.

But any youngster, of any age, that comes of their own accord, that loves the music and wants to be part of it, is more than welcome IMO.

Thing is, as they progress, what will happen? They probably can't afford to collect and therefore won't be able to DJ untill they're ancient like the rest of us, 'cos they're not allowed to play Boots or CD's of course.

How many DJ's / collectors are going to pass on their treasured vinyl to the next generation without demanding a fortune for it?

If I'm financially stable (when I stop buying vinyl) I just might do that. I've already been inspired recently by someone just out of their teens who dances their socks off and shows real passion for the music. When the time comes that I can no longer get out and about what better thing could I do than hand over my decks, peaveys etc and 1000+ pieces of vinyl to a worthy youngster.

Keep the Faith, nurture it, pass it on.

Some things are worth more than their monetary value.

"STOLEN HOURS" 1st Anniversary, ***RAMSGATE*** 24th NOVEMBER.

2 Rooms + Accomodation + Free unissued Vinyl (first 100 tickets)

*** Change of venue - see Events thread ***

Thanks Kev i appreciate that and i look forward to your collection ,

There is no saviour and everyone that wants to get involved surely can cant they especially if they look old enough when going to a night/nighter. the music is the boss imho and the rest of us are just part of the scene, no one person is the scene and thats what makes the scene so special, we are all a part of it and i enjoy my part in it, so enjoy yours

[Guest Richard Bergman]

Who will carry on the soul scene ?

My guesstimate would be a plethora of portbale robots.

Infact I'm sure there are a few doing the rounds at the time of typing.

[spot]

Can't speak for any other kids on the scene but I know Pete-Jonah's Lad really well. He's a great lad, does not wear baggies or any of that clobber. He's a credit to his father and mother who have been on this scene for over 30 years.

He never said he wanted to be 'a saviour of this scene' all he said was he should be supported in the fact that he wants to attend venues (and nighters when he's old enough) and enjoy the music.

He has a real love of all soul music and hasn't been influenced by the all the politics of oldies, newies 60t's, modern xover etc., he just loves the whole lot of it.

Lets face it, if most of us had had computers, SS, in the olden days lol we would have been just as vocal (only had John Bull Printing Sets then I think ).

My wife was gobbing off in Blues & Soul in 1974 and she was only 16 and nobody thought anything of it, but there again everyone else was probably not much older.

Is it reverse ageism or jealousy of youth. We all know it wont be a handful of teenagers who will carry this scene on even though it was probably a handful that started it . It could well be imo a load of grumpy old soulies that finish it if we dont nurture such young gems as Pete.

Spot

[malayka]

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My advice to youngsters would be don't listen to people young or old who want to oppress you. Get out enjoy the music, enjoy dancing and speak your mind. From a musical point of view the scene is there for anyone to enjoy, and if there's a too young, shouldn't there be a too old??

Winnie:-)

Hi,

it's good to hear something like the above...as I suppose I am one of these youngsters as well.

But it is not always easy. Sometimes people make you feel like an outsider, like you missed the " true soul" - I didn't grow up in the Uk - and some people tell me/ told me in the past, well, what do you know about Soul, have you been to Wigan (I am 29)?

it's even worse when I tell them that I dj - female, younger and not from the UK...and having married a well known dj...I have to say, I do hear a lot of stuff like " so, are we playing the husband's record" or "you'll dj at my venue the day the pope gets married" etc. pp....I don't want to paint a " victim picture" of myself ( Im not!!!).

I do love this scene and never will give up, promoting, djing and just simply enjoying...but sometimes it's good to write the experiences down...it helps feeling better

I think that the " soul" future will develop "naturally"(where, who etc. pp.)...as far as I can see it has done so in the past and I can't see why i shouldn't in the future...someone recently used the term evolution...

Edited October 15, 2007 by malayka

[Brav]

Well certainly not a handful of 13/15/16 year olds thats for sure, What scene are you actually talking about any way, the local scene for local people or the bigger picture?

Get Chris Moyals out of your heads cus like he, no one is the saviour of nowt.

Go to any of the nighters today there is a fair amount of younger generation there, word is spreading, but if you really, really want to 'save' the scene go and read some of the 'young soulie' debates in All About the soul, cus im tired of repeating my self on that one.

Im sorry but nurturing a couple of teenagers aint gonna make any effect, most of them that age will proberly think its tooo gay any way

When you are old enough will you break away from mum and dad and travel to some of the countrys nighters and the like or just stay in the saftey of the locals?

A fantastic statement from a 27 year old

[Guest edsuede]

Can't speak for any other kids on the scene but I know Pete-Jonah's Lad really well. He's a great lad, does not wear baggies or any of that clobber. He's a credit to his father and mother who have been on this scene for over 30 years.

He never said he wanted to be 'a saviour of this scene' all he said was he should be supported in the fact that he wants to attend venues (and nighters when he's old enough) and enjoy the music.

He has a real love of all soul music and hasn't been influenced by the all the politics of oldies, newies 60t's, modern xover etc., he just loves the whole lot of it.

Lets face it, if most of us had had computers, SS, in the olden days lol we would have been just as vocal (only had John Bull Printing Sets then I think ).

My wife was gobbing off in Blues & Soul in 1974 and she was only 16 and nobody thought anything of it, but there again everyone else was probably not much older.

Is it reverse ageism or jealousy of youth. We all know it wont be a handful of teenagers who will carry this scene on even though it was probably a handful that started it . It could well be imo a load of grumpy old soulies that finish it if we dont nurture such young gems as Pete.

Spot

Well said that man!

Edited October 15, 2007 by edsuede

[Guest Bearsy]

Hi,

it's good to hear something like the above...as I suppose I am one of these youngsters as well.

But it is not always easy. Sometimes people make you feel like an outsider, like you missed the " true soul" - I didn't grow up in the Uk - and some people tell me/ told me in the past, well, what do you know about Soul, have you been to Wigan (I am 29)?

it's even worse when I tell them that I dj - female, younger and not from the UK...and having married a well known dj...I have to say, I do hear a lot of stuff like " so, are we playing the husband's record" or "you'll dj at my venue the day the pope gets married" etc. pp....I don't want to paint a " victim picture" of myself ( Im not!!!).

I do love this scene and never will give up, promoting, djing and just simply enjoying...but sometimes it's good to write the experiences down...it helps feeling better

I think that the " soul" future will develop "naturally"(where, who etc. pp.)...as far as I can see it has done so in the past and I can't see why i shouldn't in the future...someone recently used the term evolution...

Keep doing what your doing and keep enjoying and dont worry what others say and dont ever let it get too you either, especially if they dont know you, tell em to stick it up their arse and go back to the dark corner of the room they just surfaced from, I never did Wigan and ive only been about a coupe of years but do i care what people think that dont know me , im enjoying as much if not more than the next person and thats all that matters to me

[Billywhizz]

The Germans, Spanish, Italians and Scandinavians

dave germans for me.

billy the youngest soulie on the scene

[Guest Baz]

A fantastic statement from a 27 year old

Oooh sorry Keep the faith..........live the dream man!!!

[Mak]

Right, now that all you soulies are sayin under 18s shouldn't be allowed in and our parents are forcing us, you're all wrong!!! We choose to go to these venues and enjoy the music. We all enjoy to dance and get on with people who go to these venues. If you are wonderin who shouldn't be allowed in, it should be children that are been brought without realising where they are going I.E. Under 10 years old. I personally think if we are the ones to keep the faith alive, then you as soulies should support us in doin so.

Thank You.

Put it like this Pete , Iwas 16 when I first went to a niter .And I would imagine most of the owd fossils (like me) were your age when they got into ''the scene'' .So yes m8 keep it goin.

[Phild]

16 year olds should be doing their homework, revising for their GCSE's or learning Polish or Mandarin on a weekend. Never mind going to soul nights, all-niters & the like.

I wouldn't have wanted to go out with my mum & dad, their mates or people their age when I was 16.

Maybe there's room for a junior Northern Soul scene?

[Guest Trevski]

Can't speak for any other kids on the scene but I know Pete-Jonah's Lad really well. He's a great lad, does not wear baggies or any of that clobber. He's a credit to his father and mother who have been on this scene for over 30 years.

He never said he wanted to be 'a saviour of this scene' all he said was he should be supported in the fact that he wants to attend venues (and nighters when he's old enough) and enjoy the music.

He has a real love of all soul music and hasn't been influenced by the all the politics of oldies, newies 60t's, modern xover etc., he just loves the whole lot of it.

Lets face it, if most of us had had computers, SS, in the olden days lol we would have been just as vocal (only had John Bull Printing Sets then I think ).

My wife was gobbing off in Blues & Soul in 1974 and she was only 16 and nobody thought anything of it, but there again everyone else was probably not much older.

Is it reverse ageism or jealousy of youth. We all know it wont be a handful of teenagers who will carry this scene on even though it was probably a handful that started it . It could well be imo a load of grumpy old soulies that finish it if we dont nurture such young gems as Pete.

Spot

Exactly what I was advising... Like I said Spot, old chum, I'm not against young soulies, far from it, and lads like the above I welcome with open arms if they are the way you describe, then credit to 'em. The thing is a lot of folk will not tolerate gobby teens who regard themselves as the 'future' dressed in baggies, DJ'ing at do's etc. Lads like Pete-Jonahs lad, fine he gets on with enjoying himself and doesn't get anyones back up! We all look back on things in our youth that make us cringe, stuff we did because we knew no better and made prats of ourselves. Just trying to advise 'em so they avoid those pitfalls. I really don't agree with certain statemants that speaking your mind is not dependent on age or knowledge. I certainly don't want anyone who has been on the scene '5 mins' whatever their age, giving me their opinion as to how I play a set, for example. I don't think they have the knowlege or experience to make a viable comment! Just MHO

Gail gobbing off at 16? I'd have been just a scared of her then!! (Only joking, Gail! You know I love ya! See you both Friday?)

Edited October 16, 2007 by Trevski

[Dave Thorley]

Oooh sorry Keep the faith..........live the dream man!!!

Sorry it's, "damn straight, I" so my son tells me

[Guest andrew bin]

you'll dj at my venue the day the pope gets married"

thats hell of gig whos he getting married to i had a catholic education and i'm fairly sure that he's not allowed to get married, and i didn't know thw pope was in to soul music,

[soulcrew]

Exactly what I was advising... Like I said Spot, old chum, I'm not against young soulies, far from it, and lads like the above I welcome with open arms if they are the way you describe, then credit to 'em. The thing is a lot of folk will not tolerate gobby teens who regard themselves as the 'future' dressed in baggies, DJ'ing at do's etc (see Alex 'soulboy' Simms as an example) Lads like Pete-Jonahs lad, fine he gets on with enjoying himself and doesn't get anyones back up! We all look back on things in our youth that make us cringe, stuff we did because we knew no better and made prats of ourselves. Just trying to advise 'em so they avoid those pitfalls. I really don't agree with certain statemants that speaking your mind is not dependent on age or knowledge. I certainly don't want anyone who has been on the scene '5 mins' whatever their age, giving me their opinion as to how I play a set, for example. I don't think they have the knowlege or experience to make a viable comment! Just MHO

Gail gobbing off at 16? I'd have been just a scared of her then!! (Only joking, Gail! You know I love ya! See you both Friday?)

Well Trevski

Has Alex been gobbing at you then? Because this isn't the same Alex that I know. He is politeness it's self. If you look back on the threads on soulsource when he was aloud to use it. He has never been rude to you when you have attacked him verbally. Respect my friend learn from it, it's a great thing to embrace. Let these young people find their idenity, and if it's soul music they love Embrace it and let them be part of it.I was when I was 13+ what has changed from then?

I think you ought to start with an apology , don't know what these young people think about what has been wrote on here about them??? Then to add to that they aren't allowed to join in and deffend themselves or event ask questions to learn more about the soul scene !!!!!

Well said spot my friend. Will see you on the door. Give Gail a great big hug from me.xx

Edited October 15, 2007 by soulcrew