Four Brothers - Sam & Kitty - I've Got Something Good

[45cellar]

SAM & KITTY - I'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD -

---------------Original----------------------------Counterfeit

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Pictured an Original White DEMO & Original Stock Copy

There are Other Original Variations to the Label.

Here is an Original Matrix - Beware of the Counterfeit

There is also an Original West Coast Press - Delta # 65652

Edited September 28, 2009 by 45cellar

[45cellar]

heres another fyi

Thanks Mate,

That Looks like the Styrene Monarch DEMO

Edited February 16, 2008 by 45cellar

[cloth ears]

Thanks Mate,

That Looks like the Styrene Monarch DEMO

yes it is been on my wall for 30 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pete S]

That West Coast demo is very, very rare.

[45cellar]

That West Coast demo is very, very rare.

Thanks Pete, I thought that It would be.

First time I've seen the West Coast DEMO.

[cloth ears]

Thanks Pete, I thought that It would be.

First time I've seen the West Coast DEMO.

thanks for input...............i thought it was uncommon ,never seen another like it!!!!

anyway its back in its frame after its scan for next 30 years??????????

dave

[Platters 81]

is there a connection between the writers of IGSG..."Dandridge-Weems"...and the Dontells....notably "in your heart" ..and the flip....both Chicago tunes?

[Corbett80]

I'm slightly confused; the picture in the first post at the top of the page says original one side and counterfeit the other, but they look identical? My white demo looks exactly like this and has the AT in the run out groove? Making it an original copy? It matches the original issue description in Manship's 2nd edition Bootleg Guide....

Cheers!

[45cellar]

I'm slightly confused; the picture in the first post at the top of the page says original one side and counterfeit the other, but they look identical? My white demo looks exactly like this and has the AT in the run out groove? Making it an original copy? It matches the original issue description in Manship's 2nd edition Bootleg Guide....

Cheers!

Hi

I scanned the "Love Is The Greatest" side purely because my Original Copy

has the DJ Grafitti on the Label of the "I've Got Something Good" side,

and to emphasise how alike they are.

They are different records scanned, and they are Identical, but for the Deadwax.

I will provide a better scan & comparison to Original soon. The scan below was a bit rushed.

It is a very good counterfeit, but they are different Notice the "4" for Instance.

Edited April 3, 2008 by 45cellar

[Corbett80]

Hi

I scanned the "Love Is The Greatest" side purely because my Original Copy

has the DJ Grafitti on the Label of the "I've Got Something Good" side,

and to emphasise how alike they are.

They are different records scanned, and they are Identical, but for the Deadwax.

I will scan the Counterfeit Deadwax A.S.A.P.

Great, many thanks for the info.....was starting to sweat that mine was not original!

[Julianb]

Was the original 45 demo manufactured at the Atlantic Pressing Plant?

Cheers

Julian

[45cellar]

Was the original 45 demo manufactured at the Atlantic Pressing Plant?

Cheers

Julian

The Original Viynl DEMO does have AT & W in the run out (Atlantic Press)

[Kev John]

i have 2 copies of this record

On the love side matrix reads left to right from 3 o'clock position 4 bros logo @12 o'clock

4 BROS 10466 - 1 reading upside down & i look just right of the F of logo there is some lighter etched in Marks

that resemble an upsidedown V1 there could be 2 other marks before those markings hard to distiguish to me it could be ct ?

Second record

On the love side again matrix reads L 2 R logo @ 12o'clock reads from 9 o'clock

4 BROS 10466 - 1 and @ 6 o'clock etched lighter marks upsidedown V1 with the same ct before it? sort of marks on the first records

Matrix is etched in smaller on the love side both records

There is no AT,LW or W etched on this side of the records

Sound Quality is very good no distortoin on sound on both records

Both records are the White Vinyl Demo's No Atco distributoin on label 2 lined logo ,title lay out 1 line

main matrix are clear & tidy & neat done by the same etcher

Vinyl is very good Quality no pin holes in run out grooves

On the IGSG side the B in the BROS does not join @ the bottom of the letter on both records & there's a loop in the middle of the B

1st record matrix reads 4 - BROS - 10467 - 1 also the O in Bros it appears to look smaller & if logo is

@ 6o'clock the 4 is about 7 o'clock rest of reads L2R

2nd record matrix reads the same as 1st eg logo @ 6 o'clock

The 4 is just to the right of 6 o'clock & reads L2R as i look @ it also the O in BROS appears smaller

There are no AT,LW or W etched in this side of the records

anybody got any opinions on this ?

Thanks in advance

Kev

Edited January 9, 2013 by soulghost

[Andreas B]

Hey all, I just got a copy of this for presumably very cheap. Yellow label vinyl issue with the FB logo/name on two lines, no Atco distribution text. looks identical to this one (though in much nicer shape ) : 

 

 

10467 etched into the deadwax at about 10 o'clock if the Label name center is 12 o'clock. Original or boot?

Edited July 16, 2013 by AndreasB

[Ik001]

Hi there,

Counterfeit I'm afraid!! (That is according to Manships guide).

Best,

Ian

Edited July 18, 2013 by ik001

[Andreas B]

hmph! thanks for the info though. 

Edited July 18, 2013 by AndreasB

[Ik001]

Glad to help. I myself have just purchased one so have been looking around to see if it's an original. Manships record guide is very good although not every issue of specific records are in. Also the price guide can be a bit iffy.

Best,

Ian.

If you sell on ebay I'm sure your record will sell, that's if you want to sell it?

[Pete S]

Hey all, I just got a copy of this for presumably very cheap. Yellow label vinyl issue with the FB logo/name on two lines, no Atco distribution text. looks identical to this one (though in much nicer shape ) : 

 

 

10467 etched into the deadwax at about 10 o'clock if the Label name center is 12 o'clock. Original or boot?

 

Thinking about this, I think Four Brothers should all be on one line?

Edited July 18, 2013 by Pete S

[Andreas B]

Glad to help. I myself have just purchased one so have been looking around to see if it's an original. Manships record guide is very good although not every issue of specific records are in. Also the price guide can be a bit iffy.

Best,

Ian.

If you sell on ebay I'm sure your record will sell, that's if you want to sell it?

 

I was more thinking it could be good trade stock for the future, I really like the tune but it could be one to pass on if I have another want I'm after. But like I said, picked it up fairly cheap so no major loss. 

[Andreas B]

Thinking about this, I think Four Brothers should all be on one line?

 

Pete, you're right, a standard issue unless its one of the rarer W/D copies should have the Four Brothers on one line with the distribution text under it, as this thread and popsike shows.

Edited July 18, 2013 by AndreasB

[Mighty Mips]

Hey folks, 

i have a copy that differs from all i found on the web  and I must say that I am quite confused

The matrix on the litg side : 4 Bros - 10466 ( no dash between 4andBros)

Matrix on IgsG : 4 - Bros - 10467 (with dash)

The label is yellow with Bars and “Four Brothers” witten in 2 Lines. On the litg side is also  “PLUG SIDE” on the right side above the  45 RPM. 

Does Anyone know this issue? 

 

Regards

I will add pictures in some minutes, (Cannot upload from my smart phone)

[The Yank]

This one ?

[Winsford Soul]

20 minutes ago, the yank said:

This one ?

I always thought that the originals had licensed to or from Atco records written underneath the four brothers which is on one line

Steve 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Winsford Soul

[Guest]

There are many different counterfeits/pressings/ bootlegs of this record.  Demos and issues.

It is easier to list the originals.   There are 3 different USA originals.  Each one has a demo and a corresponding issue.

1 - Vinyl east coast Atco distributed with Four Brothers written across on one line.  AT and W in the run out.

2- Vinyl east coast Atco distributed with Four Brothers written on two lines.            AT and W in the run out.

3 - Styrene west coast made by Monarch triangle/delta matrix in runout. This also has two lines accross the label.

[The Yank]

3 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

I always thought that the originals had licensed to or from Atco records written underneath the four brothers which is on one line

Steve 

The picture I put up was one that was identified as a second pressing- I was trying to get some kind of reference point.

From what I understand, the originals have an AT and W in the matrix info, the boots don't.

[Mighty Mips]

On 17/10/2018 at 19:05, the yank said:

This one ?

[Mighty Mips]

no, label  with bars 

 

[The Yank]

Every copy on popsike that has the label with bars is described as a "1970's second pressing".

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 29/03/2008 at 18:44, platters 81 said:

is there a connection between the writers of IGSG..."Dandridge-Weems"...and the Dontells....notably "in your heart" ..and the flip....both Chicago tunes?

To the best of my knowledge Leroy Dandridge . Leroy was in The Dontells. The Weems is Willie Weems

[Amsterdam Russ]

White label demo, no bars, and same layout and font combinations as the yellow one posted by The Yank. Record has a flat outer edge, rather than coming to a point, indicating styrene rather than vinyl. But if that's correct, it's very heavy duty styrene.

Run-out grooves:

Love is the greatest: 4 - BROS - 10466. AT and W (or is it 3?) scratched in. Plus two tiny rectangular stamps with a line in the middle. Just before the "AT" there are two feint letters that look like "3L" written backwards, or it could be "ET", but with the "E" looking like a reversed "3".

IGSG: 4 - BROS - 10467, and the rest is the same as the other side, except that the two very small stamps can only just be made out.

Bought from Guy Hennigan about 30 years ago.

[Mighty Mips]

i found it on discogs now with the matrix i described and the equivalent at john manship . he sells it for 30£

RARE vinyl press repro lemon label - with two thin bars across the middle label design, replicating the West Coast styrene press label. Fine clean condition 

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A Side

• Title: I've Got Something Good

B Side

• Title: Love Is The Greatest

• Year: 1975

Tracklisting

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[Amsterdam Russ]

Tim Brown has a Sam & Kitty in his auction. Scan and description as follows:

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Note the label…. This is the very first release prior to distribution by Atlantic, it is pretty scarce. In fact the very first boot used this label as the template. Get the true original therefore.

Source: https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/auctions/

[Winsford Soul]

26 minutes ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Tim Brown has a Sam & Kitty in his auction. Scan and description as follows:

Source: https://www.raresoulvinyl.co.uk/auctions/

Currently on £250 . I personally prefer the yellow issue format 

Steve 

[Mighty Mips]

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/sam-kitty-i-ve-got-something-good-love-is-the-greatest-four-brothers-452.html

cheers