Tsu Tomatoes Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I did enquire a while back about this/these but hopefully I can get definitive answers this time around as it's really bugging me. Is one rarer than the other? Which came first? Values? Why are there diferent writing credits? Why was it released as 2 different artists and labels? C'mon someone please put me out of my misery! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I did enquire a while back about this/these but hopefully I can get definitive answers this time around as it's really bugging me. Is one rarer than the other? Which came first? Values? Why are there diferent writing credits? Why was it released as 2 different artists and labels? C'mon someone please put me out of my misery! Joytones is first and rarer. It also came out on TCB as the Joytones. I can't answer the other questions. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Is the TCB one legit? It looks so bootleggy. I assumed it was a belgium pressing..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Is the TCB one legit? It looks so bootleggy. I assumed it was a belgium pressing..... Are you saying the label is inherently bootleg looking (there are other real records on the label) or that that specific record looks like a bootleg? I'm pretty sure it is real on TCB. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 That specific one. I haven't seen any others on that design..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Budgie Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) My copy is The Love Potion on TCB with an instrumental, Mr Farouk on the B side. Neither this or the Joy Tones on TCB are listed in my 2nd issue of John's price guide although he does currently have one listed on his site as the first release before Kapp and very rare @ £125.00, a Kapp issue with a different B side for £75.00 and a Joy-Tones on Coed @ £75.00. Pete. Also just noticed on the scans DIFFERENT writers for both copies.Mine has no writer credits but is a Plus Production Edited February 28, 2008 by Budgie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Hugg never seen this design before,always the other Coed demo and black issue. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 My copy is The Love Potion on TCB with an instrumental, Mr Farouk on the B side. Neither this or the Joy Tones on TCB are listed in my 2nd issue of John's price guide although he does currently have one listed on his site as the first release before Kapp and very rare @ £125.00, a Kapp issue with a different B side for £75.00 and a Joy-Tones on Coed @ £75.00. I have a mint- black label Kapp stocker available for a bargain £25+P&P >>> LOOK HERE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Does anyone know about the "Love Potions - This Love - Retreat Records". Was this its very first release? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Anoraks Corner Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Does anyone know about the "Love Potions - This Love - Retreat Records". Was this its very first release? Not seen that one, Tommy...have you a scan? Here's the Kapp stocker...which oddly enough is still available...£25 inc.P&P. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hi Dave, Hope you are well mate. Yes i do, i picked a copy up today. Scan attached. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hi Dave, Hope you are well mate. Yes i do, i picked a copy up today. Scan attached. i think it has to be a bootleg reissue label Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 i think it has to be a bootleg reissue label To be honest Bob i thought it may have been it's very first release. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 To be honest Bob i thought it may have been it's very first release. the font looks like other random 80s la bootleg / sweet soul labels I've seen, I doubt it's the original release. What is on the flip of it, most of those bootlegs included a different group's songs on the b-side? That would help clarify. Thanks. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Tommy Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 the font looks like other random 80s la bootleg / sweet soul labels I've seen, I doubt it's the original release. What is on the flip of it, most of those bootlegs included a different group's songs on the b-side? That would help clarify. Thanks. The flip is a instro (i assume the same as thier other release - i dont have a copy to compare), the b-side label has the same label as the a-side but the title etc has been scribbled out so i cant give you a title (miss print). It's not 80's by any means. It's thick, 60's vinyl. I understand your just going by the "quality look" of the label, which i know looks very basic (70's / 80's to the eye) but i assure you this is an earlier local LA press. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) The flip is a instro (i assume the same as thier other release - i dont have a copy to compare), the b-side label has the same label as the a-side but the title etc has been scribbled out so i cant give you a title (miss print). It's not 80's by any means. It's thick, 60's vinyl. I understand your just going by the "quality look" of the label, which i know looks very basic (70's / 80's to the eye) but i assure you this is an earlier local LA press. Sorry, Tommy, I have to agree with Bob - I'm pretty sure that this is a boot. This song has been big with Jamaican record collectors for decades - since the early 70s, in fact, I can remember hearing it played at a blues dance in Walthamstow as far back as 1973. There was even a reggae-cum-soul version of it, on Studio 1 in 1978, by Doreen Schaeffer. I don't think your Retreat 45 looks in any way authentic and I would guess that it was made to satisfy demand, in the pre-eBay 'everything's available now' days, from sound system guys and early 'island soul/originals of reggae' collectors. Besides which, it's a New York production, sung by a New York group. Can't see any reason why a "local L.A. press" would come out before a release on Coed - a New York label - and, anyway, it doesn't look like any pre-1965 L.A.-style label that I've ever seen. Edited May 27, 2008 by TONY ROUNCE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Demo.I Wanna Party Some More Is the Instro This Love or another record Tommy?? Also strange is the credits Al Stewart & Tony Middleton are on this copy. Edited May 27, 2008 by Prophonics 2029 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 My copy is The Love Potion on TCB with an instrumental, Mr Farouk on the B side. Neither this or the Joy Tones on TCB are listed in my 2nd issue of John's price guide although he does currently have one listed on his site as the first release before Kapp and very rare @ £125.00, a Kapp issue with a different B side for £75.00 and a Joy-Tones on Coed @ £75.00. Pete. Also just noticed on the scans DIFFERENT writers for both copies.Mine has no writer credits but is a Plus Production Just sold my COED for £40! Whoops...ha! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Demo.I Wanna Party Some More Is the Instro This Love or another record Tommy?? Also strange is the credits Al Stewart & Tony Middleton are on this copy. Why should Tony Middleton be a strange credit for a record that was made in New York, by a New York group, and on a New York label? Seems perfectly logical to me! The 'strange' credits are those that are on the Kapp issue, if anything... The instro that's on the other side of The Love Potion (and, presumably, the TCB and the other side of Tommy's boot) is a completely unrelated track and an instro to nothing that I've ever been able to identify.... Edited May 27, 2008 by TONY ROUNCE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Sorry, Tommy, I have to agree with Bob - I'm pretty sure that this is a boot. This song has been big with Jamaican record collectors for decades - since the early 70s, in fact, I can remember hearing it played at a blues dance in Walthamstow as far back as 1973. There was even a reggae-cum-soul version of it, on Studio 1 in 1978, by Doreen Schaeffer. I don't think your Retreat 45 looks in any way authentic and I would guess that it was made to satisfy demand, in the pre-eBay 'everything's available now' days, from sound system guys and early 'island soul/originals of reggae' collectors. Besides which, it's a New York production, sung by a New York group. Can't see any reason why a "local L.A. press" would come out before a release on Coed - a New York label - and, anyway, it doesn't look like any pre-1965 L.A.-style label that I've ever seen. Not just jamaican collectors but US soul collectors have been after this too, I know people in Chicago who bought this in the 70s. This got no play in Chicago when it came out but actually is known as a 'steppers' cut now. It is interesting that it has an instrumental flip, though, usually those bootlegs would also include something of interest on the b-side. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 Why should Tony Middleton be a strange credit for a record that was made in New York, by a New York group, and on a New York label? Seems perfectly logical to me! The 'strange' credits are those that are on the Kapp issue, if anything... The instro that's on the other side of The Love Potion (and, presumably, the TCB and the other side of Tommy's boot) is a completely unrelated track and an instro to nothing that I've ever been able to identify.... That's why I said strange, Coed copy is the one I see as the original or first issue so why should the other credits vary when its the same track. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 27, 2008 Share Posted May 27, 2008 That's why I said strange, Coed copy is the one I see as the original or first issue so why should the other credits vary when its the same track. That's something you would have to take up with whoever sold the master to Kapp Records, I guess. I do know that the Joytones knew nothing at all about the Kapp issue, as I had a NY doo wop collector friend of mine ask the two (then) surviving members of the group about it back in 1998.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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