Souled Out The Film

[Eddie Hubbard]

I just got back in the door at 1.30 in the morning from Stoke after a seven hour bus journey.

The day itself was absolutely brilliant. Here is why. First of there were so many friendly and genuine people there who just love Soul music and wanted to be part of something that pays homage to a scene they love.

Second of all I got talking to lots of people in their early twenties and some even younger who are is in to their Soul music as any oldtimer. I got a real buzz from talking to a young girl who was only about 18 or 19 and got in to Northern through her Auntie. To listen to her talk about tunes she absolutely loved reminded me of when I was a teenager and first heard this music. It was so refreshing to talk to somebody about the music and how much they love it as oppossed to talking to someone about matrix numbers, run out grooves and the legitimacy of playing re-issues

There was no snobbery just a love of the music. If she stays on the scene long enough she will have some people sneer at her for the 'oldies' she loves such is the fickleness of this scene. Hopefully it wont dissuade her from attending do's it never has with me. I love it all oldies newies the lot. A good tune is a good tune.

I have to say a big thank you to all the actors and crew and production staff who were extremely nice people and very down to earth and very repsectful to all of us.I had a few drinks with some of them on Friday night and they were a great bunch of folk. During the shoot the director acknowledged how much and how important the Casino was to a some of the veterans that turned up which was quite respectful I thought.

The day itself on set was very long but the time went quick. There was only one period of about 15 mins where we were allowed dance to a succesion of records relatively uninterrupted. The rest of the time it was dance for a half minute, cut, wait and go again.

There was even a period where we had to dance to a few seconds of Tainted Love over and over and then they would cut the sound and you would have to keep dancing. It looked a bit mad but I started playing tunes in my head and had a good imaginary bop to TON OF DYNAMITE and FRED HUGHES- I KEEP TRYIN' (one of my all time fave records) and a few more.

I was well chuffed when I was asked to come back for the week and they would pay my accomodation and have me as one of the main dancers. Unfortunately due to other committments I was unable to do it. However all in all a great day and hope to hear some more positive threads from those that were there.

My only complaint is that I wasn't allowed wear my flat cap as the costume guy said "they werent wearing those in 74 in Wigan". As I was only 1 at the time and wasn't there who was I too argue. He swapped my fine cap for a tawdry beret and I felt like a right Frank Spencer I can tell you.

Anyway off to bed now as need to recharge the battery for the Brighton Allnighter tomorrow.

G'Night everyone

Andy

That's one of the most sensible , uplifting posts I've read on this subject , at the end of the day , it's all about the music and the people , glad you had a great day , it's supposed to be about enjoying yourself isn't it ? Best wishes ,Eddie

[Ady Croasdell]

Great stuff Andy, your enthusiasm shines through and its obvious the film makers are trying their best to accommodate our scene, though as a fellow flat-cap wearer I think you might have a case to put to the Court of Human Rights!

[Jez Jones]

I fully concur with the eloquently constructed reviews by Andy and Pete and Sue. As with all new things its best to go with an open mind. I have never seen a film production and to me it was really fascinating.The eye for technical detail and 'way ' scenes are built if you like was really interesting to watch.

As was mentioned it was a long day and tiring, but the motivation was kept high by the production crew and the people 'out on the floor' Talking of which ,i would just reinforce what Andy says ,generally about the younger element. Whilst dancing to out on the floor a couple teenage girls dancing near came across and asked me'Who sings this----we like this one'. takes yer back to when we first heard records and got smitten with them and we would sidle across on the dance floor to ask the very same question. The music doesn't change --people do and if its quality,- people will want to know more.

Experienced soulies and for want of a better word 'novices' all dancing to 'Hey sal oh ney Mickey lee lane on a saturday morning spun by Dave Evison in the Kings Hall in Stoke.

take a minute to digest that staement if you will! Very bizarre indeed but nevertheless strangely uplifting and arguably set the benchmark for the rest of day----- Everyone working (dancing) as one. I hadn't heard that for ages---sounded awesome and after it finished I glanced round and folks old and young looking at each other ,had for want of a better word again---a smirk, a grin as if to say 'Thats what we should be doing----now we know!'

To some folks there, it was a job of work,to some it was a labour of love for the music and dancing ,to some it was a curiousity, to some it was a real fascination and a need to know more. But what was undeniable was everyone gave what they could with a passion and hopefully it will show in the final product.

Managed to get a chat with one of the lead actors in this. He was in 'period costume' and standing on the sidelines just taking it all in. He said in his reaearch he did on northern soul he couldn't believe there was never a film made of this ages ago. I would quote him at this stage in saying' This had a massive impact on british youth sub culture at the time' Yes mate yer not wrong!!!!

He also explained that whilst we all hoped this would be a great success , the main obstacle would be to get a 'cinema' run with it. he also said that there is an undeniable energy and will to succeed from behind the scenes with all the staff ,crew actors etc.

Anyway apart from the Mickey lee lane 'moment' I mentioned earlier ,another one that stood out for me anyway' was-----

A couple of yards from the stage dancing to Tainted Love spun by Russ Winstanley and being watched from the stage by 'Les Battersby' in a tux and dickie bow Brilliant

yes I know ,I know----------- but it was that sort of day and I for one am really glad I had the experience .

If effort ,commitment and passion as shown by all ,on the day,is reflected in the final film then from a 1974 northern soul perspective it should be well worth a watch folks

Jez

[Guest]

That's one of the most sensible , uplifting posts I've read on this subject , at the end of the day , it's all about the music and the people , glad you had a great day , it's supposed to be about enjoying yourself isn't it ? Best wishes ,Eddie

Seconded Eddie ! (Dobie Grey aside...I do agree with the majority of the content of Andy's posts re the film, and overall it was really good to meet him, and a few other pleasant people yesterday!)

Edited August 24, 2008 by Delasoul

[Guest Carrie Mehome]

Andy, what a positive, uplifting and lovely post! Sounds like you and the others enjoyed yourself.

Good for you!

I just got back in the door at 1.30 in the morning from Stoke after a seven hour bus journey.

The day itself was absolutely brilliant. Here is why. First of there were so many friendly and genuine people there who just love Soul music and wanted to be part of something that pays homage to a scene they love.

Second of all I got talking to lots of people in their early twenties and some even younger who are is in to their Soul music as any oldtimer. I got a real buzz from talking to a young girl who was only about 18 or 19 and got in to Northern through her Auntie. To listen to her talk about tunes she absolutely loved reminded me of when I was a teenager and first heard this music. It was so refreshing to talk to somebody about the music and how much they love it as oppossed to talking to someone about matrix numbers, run out grooves and the legitimacy of playing re-issues

There was no snobbery just a love of the music. If she stays on the scene long enough she will have some people sneer at her for the 'oldies' she loves such is the fickleness of this scene. Hopefully it wont dissuade her from attending do's it never has with me. I love it all oldies newies the lot. A good tune is a good tune.

I have to say a big thank you to all the actors and crew and production staff who were extremely nice people and very down to earth and very repsectful to all of us.I had a few drinks with some of them on Friday night and they were a great bunch of folk. During the shoot the director acknowledged how much and how important the Casino was to a some of the veterans that turned up which was quite respectful I thought.

The day itself on set was very long but the time went quick. There was only one period of about 15 mins where we were allowed dance to a succesion of records relatively uninterrupted. The rest of the time it was dance for a half minute, cut, wait and go again.

There was even a period where we had to dance to a few seconds of Tainted Love over and over and then they would cut the sound and you would have to keep dancing. It looked a bit mad but I started playing tunes in my head and had a good imaginary bop to TON OF DYNAMITE and FRED HUGHES- I KEEP TRYIN' (one of my all time fave records) and a few more.

I was well chuffed when I was asked to come back for the week and they would pay my accomodation and have me as one of the main dancers. Unfortunately due to other committments I was unable to do it. However all in all a great day and hope to hear some more positive threads from those that were there.

My only complaint is that I wasn't allowed wear my flat cap as the costume guy said "they werent wearing those in 74 in Wigan". As I was only 1 at the time and wasn't there who was I too argue. He swapped my fine cap for a tawdry beret and I felt like a right Frank Spencer I can tell you.

Anyway off to bed now as need to recharge the battery for the Brighton Allnighter tomorrow.

G'Night everyone

Andy

[Little-stevie]

I meant to go to bed ages ago but got sucked into the good vibes, ahem, on another thread. That's it Im off this time.

Glad you had fun mate... See you in Brighton tonight..

[Jumpinjoan]

I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS THREAD WITH INTEREST AND WOULD NOW LIKE TO ADD MY BIT.

I FIRST GOT INVOLVED WITH NORTHERN SOUL IN 1977.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTO THE RECORD COLLECTING SIDE OF THINGS, DIGGING DEEP INTO THE OBSCURE AND UNKNOWN, WHAT SOME MAY CALL 'PURIST' AND OTHERS MAY CALL ANORAK.

WELL, EVEN AS A PURIST, HARDCORE COLLECTOR, CHIN STROKER OR WHATEVER LABEL IS USED, I'LL NEVER FORGET, WHAT DREW ME INTO THE SCENE IN THE EARLY DAYS. AND IT WAS EXACTLY THAT ..'THE SCENE', THE DANCING, THE FRIENDSHIPS, THE FEELING OF BELONGING TO SOMETHING SPECIAL,... ALL THESE THINGS PLAYED A MUCH BIGGER PART THAN 'THE ACTUAL MUSIC' AT FIRST.

SURE ITS NICE TO HAVE MUSICAL AND FACTUAL ACCURACY, BUT IF THIS FILM CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF 'THE SCENE' AND INSPIRES SOME PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE. THEN I THINK ITS A WONDERFUL THING.

I REALLY HOPE IT IS A GREAT SUCCESS.

ANDY KILLICK

But do you really think they will be able to capture the 'ESSENCE OF 'THE SCENE' ' THE DANCING, THE FRIENDSHIPS, THE FEELING OF BELONGING TO SOMETHING SPECIAL with Duffy and Weller singing the songs that made all the above possible?

What I can't understand is seeings as this is a love story first and foremost, with the northern soul aspect very much in the background - why bother with the soul scene at all if they had no intention of portraying it as it was?

Why not set the film in an average 70's nightclub where it wouldn't matter a toss if Duffy and Weller provided the soundtrack?

[Guest sarahleen]

But do you really think they will be able to capture the 'ESSENCE OF 'THE SCENE' ' THE DANCING, THE FRIENDSHIPS, THE FEELING OF BELONGING TO SOMETHING SPECIAL with Duffy and Weller singing the songs that made all the above possible?

What I can't understand is seeings as this is a love story first and foremost, with the northern soul aspect very much in the background - why bother with the soul scene at all if they had no intention of portraying it as it was?

Why not set the film in an average 70's nightclub where it wouldn't matter a toss if Duffy and Weller provided the soundtrack?

well said , hear hear . and the amount of abuse some people in this {and the previous thread} have had for expressing concerns like this has been mind boggling . and why is it called "souled out" if the casino is "only a setting" for the film ?

[Eddie Hubbard]

But do you really think they will be able to capture the 'ESSENCE OF 'THE SCENE' ' THE DANCING, THE FRIENDSHIPS, THE FEELING OF BELONGING TO SOMETHING SPECIAL with Duffy and Weller singing the songs that made all the above possible?

What I can't understand is seeings as this is a love story first and foremost, with the northern soul aspect very much in the background - why bother with the soul scene at all if they had no intention of portraying it as it was?

Why not set the film in an average 70's nightclub where it wouldn't matter a toss if Duffy and Weller provided the soundtrack?

If they do then great , but if it doesn't then at least we've got the real scene to enjoy .Paul Weller seems to have a deep knowledge of Black music judging by his radio shows on radio 2 a while back , it may encourage a few new folks to try and enjoy the scene and carry on keeping the Northern Soul torch burning long after we've had our day .Sooner him than Tim Tam , Murial Day etc .Best ,Eddie

[wendy]

Hang on.I just remembered. Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan right? Did any of you guys complain when that came out? Did people feel so angry about Wigan Casino being used to promote the Bee Gees in a round about way?

Ok, the soundtrack must have been insulting to people who really loved disco. But it had a huge impact.

Is there an objection to more people getting into soul music as a result of souled out? Should we start wearing 'northern soul sucks' t-shirts? My first n soul purchase was a tape of re-recorded hits. I thought it sounded rubbish n then I realised my mistake and started buying Kent compilations. The point being, even if they make a mess of the soundtrack it will still generate interest.

I think all on here that were lucky enough to go to the Casino should be proud that after all these years it's still inspiring people;that someone thinks it's worth including in a film. Sure it's not going to be a picture perfect snap shot of 1974. You might be disappointed with the dancing. But it is meant to be entertainment! It's a trip to the flicks with your girl/boy on a Saturday night.

[Guest sarahleen]

i dont think anyone is objecting to the film being made or it encouraging new comers to the "scene". in my family there are three generations of northern soul fans starting wih the twisted wheel right up to present day. pity poor me stuck in the middle lol. my daughter cant wait to see the film , my uncle is probably a bit more sceptical .

[Jumpinjoan]

If they do then great , but if it doesn't then at least we've got the real scene to enjoy .Paul Weller seems to have a deep knowledge of Black music judging by his radio shows on radio 2 a while back , it may encourage a few new folks to try and enjoy the scene and carry on keeping the Northern Soul torch burning long after we've had our day .Sooner him than Tim Tam , Murial Day etc .Best ,Eddie

I'm sorry, but is this where we are at? Having to dupe people to get them onto the soul scene?

What happens if this cunning plan succeeds btw?

Will we see DJ's throwing the odd Duffy / Weller cover into their sets in the hope that it may help keep the few new folks who tried the scene to carry on keeping the Northern Soul torch burning long after we've had our day?

ps: why do people keep making comparisons to crap records when defending Weller and co? Would you sooner have him than Mel Britt, Darrell Banks, etc?

[Guest]

Hang on.I just remembered. Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan right? Did any of you guys complain when that came out? Did people feel so angry about Wigan Casino being used to promote the Bee Gees in a round about way?

Ok, the soundtrack must have been insulting to people who really loved disco. But it had a huge impact.

Is there an objection to more people getting into soul music as a result of souled out? Should we start wearing 'northern soul sucks' t-shirts? My first n soul purchase was a tape of re-recorded hits. I thought it sounded rubbish n then I realised my mistake and started buying Kent compilations. The point being, even if they make a mess of the soundtrack it will still generate interest.

I think all on here that were lucky enough to go to the Casino should be proud that after all these years it's still inspiring people;that someone thinks it's worth including in a film. Sure it's not going to be a picture perfect snap shot of 1974. You might be disappointed with the dancing. But it is meant to be entertainment! It's a trip to the flicks with your girl/boy on a Saturday night.

TOSH!

How the hell did Saturday Night Fever have anything to do with Wigan or the soul scene?

Yes I went to Wigan and have great memories of the good times and the bad but it was a point in time on a long and winding route that brought us to the scene we have today.

Yes it was a great place at the time, the people, the venue, the atmospehere but most of all the music made it was it was.( and then what it wasnt)

It is the music that has lived inside me for the last 35 years and will continue to do so through all my ups and downs.

I think it may be more akin to what Quadrophenia did to the mod/scooter scene and if it brings in new blood thats great 'cause otherwise the scene will die but it should reflect the true value of the music and not a watered down, homogonised version

Soul music has crept into our every day lives without even being noticed or recognised by the masses, how many TV shows or adverts now have ex classics playing away in the background.

Maybe its a plot to use paralingual (is that a word?) programming to subconsciously turn everyone into soul fans and save the scene forever

[Jumpinjoan]

Hang on.I just remembered. Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan right? Did any of you guys complain when that came out? Did people feel so angry about Wigan Casino being used to promote the Bee Gees in a round about way?

Ok, the soundtrack must have been insulting to people who really loved disco.

What?

[Guest]

What?

My reaction exactly Joan

[Guest sarahleen]

yeah

what?

[Guest andyrattigan]

I think people are jumping to conclusions about the musical content of this film.

Yes we are aware that Duffy and P. Weller will be used in the soundtrack. I have no problems with this as long as this music is played in parts of the film that are not shot in the replica Wigan Casino.

As the film isn't entirely set in the club then hopefully the non northern tracks will be used in these segments. I have no problem with that.

Seeing as they have sourced a lot of original music to use in the film then one can deduce that they will use the original music and presumably for the sake of authenticity they will then play these tunes during the Casino segments.

Having been on the set and seen their obsession with trying to be as authentic as possible they are hardly going to have everyone dancing to Duffy in the film. Even a non northern Soul fan would know this was unauthentic.

If I am worng and there is a shot of me dancing to Duffy (whom I dont like musically) then I will not be a happy bunny. I think the producers are aware this would upset a lot of folk and if they were to do that they would alientate a lot of the people they are aiming the film at. Hardly a good marketing technique?

Im pretty confident that you will see all the dancers getting down to proper Northern Soul and I for one commend the film. I think it will be great.

[Guest]

I'm sorry, but is this where we are at? Having to dupe people to get them onto the soul scene?

What happens if this cunning plan succeeds btw?

Will we see DJ's throwing the odd Duffy / Weller cover into their sets in the hope that it may help keep the few new folks who tried the scene to carry on keeping the Northern Soul torch burning long after we've had our day?

Hiya,

I hate to say it but yes, I think we nearly are y'know...

and yep, if said plan was to work it wouldn't surprise me if what you've described above Joan, actually was the case. We'd probably end up with a diluted music policy and a bigger number of 'handbaggers' but if those handbaggers kept some of these venue's afloat and it keeps rooms like DDA at Lowton and our room upstairs at Bury open it might be a good thing. If these 'handbaggers' for want of a better phrase, were to discover the scene and enjoy northern soul, even better.

Sorry to sound negative but I feel venue's are getting more and more expensive and more and more good nights are closing. I know there are always loads of new nights starting up but most of them fold shortly afterwards. There are not enough good quality well attended nights starting up (I know this is kind of for another thread) and we are fast heading into the situation where there are not enough people to sustain many venue's.

After spending a few days reading this thread, I'm more of the opinion I think this film will be a good thing. (I'm also of the opinion that it is such a minor part of the film and the film isn't exactly going to be a box office smash, widely covered by mass media that it'll hardly have any impact whatsoever on the scene).

Jayne.x.

[Soulboy69]

Have to agree with Andy. After all, how can you slag a film off without even seeing it?

Of course we'll all probably find some flaws with it when it is eventually released (in the same way we can all see the flaws with Quadrophenia and it's portrayal of the original Mod scene) but at least wait until then to voice an opinion about it. I for one am looking forward to seeing the end result (although i'll probably have to travel to the U.K. to see it or wait for the dvd to be released!).

[Jumpinjoan]

I think people are jumping to conclusions about the musical content of this film.

Yes we are aware that Duffy and P. Weller will be used in the soundtrack. I have no problems with this as long as this music is played in parts of the film that are not shot in the replica Wigan Casino.

As the film isn't entirely set in the club then hopefully the non northern tracks will be used in these segments. I have no problem with that.

Seeing as they have sourced a lot of original music to use in the film then one can deduce that they will use the original music and presumably for the sake of authenticity they will then play these tunes during the Casino segments.

Having been on the set and seen their obsession with trying to be as authentic as possible they are hardly going to have everyone dancing to Duffy in the film. Even a non northern Soul fan would know this was unauthentic.

If I am worng and there is a shot of me dancing to Duffy (whom I dont like musically) then I will not be a happy bunny. I think the producers are aware this would upset a lot of folk and if they were to do that they would alientate a lot of the people they are aiming the film at. Hardly a good marketing technique?

Im pretty confident that you will see all the dancers getting down to proper Northern Soul and I for one commend the film. I think it will be great.

Well that's all any of us can realistically ask for.

My only gripe with this film has been the music issue - couldn't care less about the story or anything else.

Anyway, here's hoping

[Jumpinjoan]

Hiya,

I hate to say it but yes, I think we nearly are y'know...

and yep, if said plan was to work it wouldn't surprise me if what you've described above Joan, actually was the case. We'd probably end up with a diluted music policy and a bigger number of 'handbaggers' but if those handbaggers kept some of these venue's afloat and it keeps rooms like DDA at Lowton and our room upstairs at Bury open it might be a good thing. If these 'handbaggers' for want of a better phrase, were to discover the scene and enjoy northern soul, even better.

I welcome anyone and everyone Jayne, the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Always has been.

But as for the likes of Duffy and Weller being played in the DDA - NO WAY. NO HOW. NEVER!

These artists have absolutely nothing to do with the northern soul scene - and never will.

[BrianB]

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[Maark]

I just got back in the door at 1.30 in the morning from Stoke after a seven hour bus journey.

The day itself was absolutely brilliant. Here is why. First of there were so many friendly and genuine people there who just love Soul music and wanted to be part of something that pays homage to a scene they love.

Second of all I got talking to lots of people in their early twenties and some even younger who are is in to their Soul music as any oldtimer. I got a real buzz from talking to a young girl who was only about 18 or 19 and got in to Northern through her Auntie. To listen to her talk about tunes she absolutely loved reminded me of when I was a teenager and first heard this music. It was so refreshing to talk to somebody about the music and how much they love it as oppossed to talking to someone about matrix numbers, run out grooves and the legitimacy of playing re-issues

There was no snobbery just a love of the music. If she stays on the scene long enough she will have some people sneer at her for the 'oldies' she loves such is the fickleness of this scene. Hopefully it wont dissuade her from attending do's it never has with me. I love it all oldies newies the lot. A good tune is a good tune.

I have to say a big thank you to all the actors and crew and production staff who were extremely nice people and very down to earth and very repsectful to all of us.I had a few drinks with some of them on Friday night and they were a great bunch of folk. During the shoot the director acknowledged how much and how important the Casino was to a some of the veterans that turned up which was quite respectful I thought.

The day itself on set was very long but the time went quick. There was only one period of about 15 mins where we were allowed dance to a succesion of records relatively uninterrupted. The rest of the time it was dance for a half minute, cut, wait and go again.

There was even a period where we had to dance to a few seconds of Tainted Love over and over and then they would cut the sound and you would have to keep dancing. It looked a bit mad but I started playing tunes in my head and had a good imaginary bop to TON OF DYNAMITE and FRED HUGHES- I KEEP TRYIN' (one of my all time fave records) and a few more.

I was well chuffed when I was asked to come back for the week and they would pay my accomodation and have me as one of the main dancers. Unfortunately due to other committments I was unable to do it. However all in all a great day and hope to hear some more positive threads from those that were there.

My only complaint is that I wasn't allowed wear my flat cap as the costume guy said "they werent wearing those in 74 in Wigan". As I was only 1 at the time and wasn't there who was I too argue. He swapped my fine cap for a tawdry beret and I felt like a right Frank Spencer I can tell you.

Anyway off to bed now as need to recharge the battery for the Brighton Allnighter tomorrow.

G'Night everyone

Andy

Nice refreshing post Andy!

[Guest sarahleen]

i dont think anyone is objecting to the film being made or it encouraging new comers to the "scene". in my family there are three generations of northern soul fans starting wih the twisted wheel right up to present day. pity poor me stuck in the middle lol. my daughter cant wait to see the film , my uncle is probably a bit more sceptical .

my uncle is LIVID joan , but not about the film

[Guest Matt Male]

Hang on.I just remembered. Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan right?

No not based on Wigan at all. Based on a magazine article written by Nik Cohn about his experiences in the Brooklyn area and clubs like The Crazy Country Club and 2001 Odessey around 1974/5. Cohn also struck up a friendship with a club dancer called Tu Sweet, who showed him around. Robert Stigwood the director read Cohn's article, Cohn turned it into a screenplay and the rest is history...

So not about Wigan Casino, not even about Studio 54 and the Club Kids, which is what most people think it was about.

Actually SNF is probably quite like this film in that it's the story from an outsider looking in (Cohn was British and new to the New York club scene) he also admitted later that he made most of the story up because he couldn't figure out what the scene was all about. Sounds familiar.

Edited August 24, 2008 by Matt Male

[Quinvy]

If I might take the liberty of airing my own veiw on this topic? I think that the people that are worried about the musical content of this movie, are just frustrated that a real chance to make a wonderful testament to a thing that has thrilled us all, will be sadly missed here...if you look at films like Quad and even Dirty Dancing....with the right music, used all the way through, and not just for the odd scene.....they could have been amazing....I'm sure we have all dreamed of making a movie about this scene of hours [well I have anyway ] what tunes you would use, and the way you could show the world what they have been missing out on....especially the young people , whom have never been exposed to "proper music. I feel really sorry for them...On the two films I mentioned here, the music used for the majority, had no bearing on the time or place that was being filmed, and I just didn't get a feeling of the subject...totally spoiled it for me.....I know what you are going to say...these movies were very successful, and that's all that matters to the film makers.....REALLY!.....I thought it was an art form luvvie....anyway, it's such a shame that we will all be fast forwarding the DVD to the one or maybe two short bits where they [hopefully] get it right. After all, how can you imagine that you are back in 74 with Duffy and Mr. Weller's 2008 recordings playing in the background? .......YUK!

Phil.

Edited August 25, 2008 by quinvy

[Mike]

some people need to get it in their heads that this forum is all about people posting up views, thoughts and such

idea is that things get discussed

just cause you dont agree its no excuse to start shouting the odds about what should or should not be discussed

or worse still start taking things down the personal road

half the problems had with this thread is people over reacting to what is simply soul fans posting their own personal view

its a discussion forum !

[Joefromupnorth]

Have to agree with Andy. After all, how can you slag a film off without even seeing it?

Of course we'll all probably find some flaws with it when it is eventually released (in the same way we can all see the flaws with Quadrophenia and it's portrayal of the original Mod scene) but at least wait until then to voice an opinion about it. I for one am looking forward to seeing the end result (although i'll probably have to travel to the U.K. to see it or wait for the dvd to be released!).

My son reckons this will be released straight onto dvd , if you have a "poundland"

chain in ireland "puntland" re-named "euroland" maybe now ?? then you'll be able to watch it at home.

Seriously though does anyone else think those making the film seem to be obsessed with getting large numbers wearing a hat of some description.......i did'nt get there until january 75 and i can't recall hats , maybe the grey cells are letting me down here ??

Many points i'm sure will be discussed for a while to come and which should have been easy to get correct but those in the film industry never listen.

Once i met the actual pilot of the "b-17 memphis belle" Robert Morgan , he told me that the makers of the film of the same name had consulted him and the remainder of his crew to get the film correct.......he said to me " they asked and then did the complete opposite

and made us look idiots"....nuff said.

[Guest]

Hang on.I just remembered. Saturday Night Fever was based on Wigan right? Did any of you guys complain when that came out? Did people feel so angry about Wigan Casino being used to promote the Bee Gees in a round about way?

Ok, the soundtrack must have been insulting to people who really loved disco. But it had a huge impact.

Is there an objection to more people getting into soul music as a result of souled out? Should we start wearing 'northern soul sucks' t-shirts? My first n soul purchase was a tape of re-recorded hits. I thought it sounded rubbish n then I realised my mistake and started buying Kent compilations. The point being, even if they make a mess of the soundtrack it will still generate interest.

I think all on here that were lucky enough to go to the Casino should be proud that after all these years it's still inspiring people;that someone thinks it's worth including in a film. Sure it's not going to be a picture perfect snap shot of 1974. You might be disappointed with the dancing. But it is meant to be entertainment! It's a trip to the flicks with your girl/boy on a Saturday night.

I was always under the impression that Saturday Night fever was based on Mods from the Goldhawk Rd in West London. Nik Cohn moved to NY and needed to write a story quck cos he was skint, so he wrote Tribal rites of the new Saturday Night useing Disco dancers instead of Mods.

[wendy]

r.e. Saturday Night Fever

I saw an article ages ago about it, cant seem to find it now but will keep searching

[Chris L]

I just got back in the door at 1.30 in the morning from Stoke after a seven hour bus journey.

The day itself was absolutely brilliant. Here is why. First of there were so many friendly and genuine people there who just love Soul music and wanted to be part of something that pays homage to a scene they love.

Anyway off to bed now as need to recharge the battery for the Brighton Allnighter tomorrow.

G'Night everyone

Andy

Great stuff, any idea when they'll post some out-takes on their website? would love to get a peek

Chris L

[SteveM]

After all, how can you imagine that you are back in 74 with Duffy and Mr. Weller's 2008 recordings playing in the background? .......YUK!

Phil.

Exactly Phil. Thats why I couldn't understand Andys post that said they were trying to be authentic. Surely playing 74 chart hits away from the club scenes would be more authentic ?

Edited August 25, 2008 by SteveM

[SteveM]

After all, how can you imagine that you are back in 74 with Duffy and Mr. Weller's 2008 recordings playing in the background? .......YUK!

Phil.[/quote

Edited August 25, 2008 by SteveM

[SteveM]

My son reckons this will be released straight onto dvd , if you have a "poundland"

chain in ireland "puntland" re-named "euroland" maybe now ?? then you'll be able to watch it at home.

Seriously though does anyone else think those making the film seem to be obsessed with getting large numbers wearing a hat of some description.......i did'nt get there until january 75 and i can't recall hats , maybe the grey cells are letting me down here ??

Many points i'm sure will be discussed for a while to come and which should have been easy to get correct but those in the film industry never listen.

Once i met the actual pilot of the "b-17 memphis belle" Robert Morgan , he told me that the makers of the film of the same name had consulted him and the remainder of his crew to get the film correct.......he said to me " they asked and then did the complete opposite

and made us look idiots"....nuff said.

Authenticity apparently ( ) Set up North Joe. Flat caps,typical stereotype. Bound to be whippets and black pudding references.

[Guest sarahleen]

on youtube

souled out-the film:pre production preveiw part 1\2and 3.

!!!!!!

Edited August 25, 2008 by sarahleen

[posstot]

yeah

what? can i dooooooooo, when i still love you. what? can i................sorry!!

[Guest]

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[Perdita]

I just got back in the door at 1.30 in the morning from Stoke after a seven hour bus journey.

The day itself was absolutely brilliant. Here is why. First of there were so many friendly and genuine people there who just love Soul music and wanted to be part of something that pays homage to a scene they love...................

..............My only complaint is that I wasn't allowed wear my flat cap as the costume guy said "they werent wearing those in 74 in Wigan". As I was only 1 at the time and wasn't there who was I too argue. He swapped my fine cap for a tawdry beret and I felt like a right Frank Spencer I can tell you.

Anyway off to bed now as need to recharge the battery for the Brighton Allnighter tomorrow.

G'Night everyone

Andy

Glad to hear it was a good day...... I just got the call to show up at Kings Hall at 7am this Thursday, so am really excited now....... I'm just going along for the fun of it and because i love to dance.

Perdita

[Guest Nik Mak]

Authenticity apparently ( ) Set up North Joe. Flat caps,typical stereotype. Bound to be whippets and black pudding references.

In every film or Tv show I've been in (Many Moons ago by the way!) They always got it wrong, every time. From a world war 1 movie I was in as a wounded soldier (Wrong uniform for the brigade I was supposed to be in!) to a period drama set in the 1700 (Props not available then ie: Furniture windows, architecture of some of the sets). They asked the advisors then did it the cheapest way they could. I really hope the movie IS good and the scenes of the Casino ring true but if you go back to the very begining of this thread which I think started on a different posting they said the film was about the Northern Soul scene in the 70's and about a lads interaction in that scene. Then when the questions got a bit too technical (Music content,clothes, authenticity etc,etc.) they changed tac and began a new thread saying it was a LOVE story set against the back drop of the Northern Soul scene in the 70's. A slight difference but one that gives them much more flexability. It's also interesting that they have already used a track that was a huge hit for a pop band in the 80's 'Tainted Love' by Gloria Jones was covered by Soft Cell & got to number 1! Dobie Grey 'Out on the floor'? Yet another tune that has some appeal to the masses? Makes you wonder who they have advising them on the music. Guarentee 'Footsie' will rear it's evil head somewhere!

[Guest andyrattigan]

In every film or Tv show I've been in (Many Moons ago by the way!) They always got it wrong, every time. From a world war 1 movie I was in as a wounded soldier (Wrong uniform for the brigade I was supposed to be in!) to a period drama set in the 1700 (Props not available then ie: Furniture windows, architecture of some of the sets). They asked the advisors then did it the cheapest way they could. I really hope the movie IS good and the scenes of the Casino ring true but if you go back to the very begining of this thread which I think started on a different posting they said the film was about the Northern Soul scene in the 70's and about a lads interaction in that scene. Then when the questions got a bit too technical (Music content,clothes, authenticity etc,etc.) they changed tac and began a new thread saying it was a LOVE story set against the back drop of the Northern Soul scene in the 70's. A slight difference but one that gives them much more flexability. It's also interesting that they have already used a track that was a huge hit for a pop band in the 80's 'Tainted Love' by Gloria Jones was covered by Soft Cell & got to number 1! Dobie Grey 'Out on the floor'? Yet another tune that has some appeal to the masses? Makes you wonder who they have advising them on the music. Guarentee 'Footsie' will rear it's evil head somewhere!

Tainted Love is a good record Im just sick of hearing it. However I've always liked Dobie Gray and it is a genuine 6ts Soul record which was popular in the heyday of Northern Soul.

Footsee is a very unfair comparison set against the aforementioned records as it isnt a Soul record at all just a pile of steaming horse dung.

Perhaps they shouldn't use any big oldies at all that is records that people actually liked and danced to in the heyday of Northern Soul but should only play the most obscurist of records that no one knows. Dont get me wrong I like obscure, unknown and underplayed records but I also love oldies and most of the obvious ones as well. Granted I dont want to hear them every time Im out.

Of course they will play big oldies in other words the types of records that got us all in to Soul in the first place. They are hardly going to play obscure b-side beat ballads are they?

They are trying to appeal to the wider world and not just us anoraks stuck on this site so we should all be prepared to probably hear Frank Wilson and other big oldies. Remember Frank Wilson's DO I LOVE YOU? a record most of us are probably sick of hearing but it's still a great fecking record and was once a new record to all of us that loved it when we first heard it.

Remember the first time you heard it or any other big oldie you are now sick of. Surely that's what turned us all on to Soul. Catchy uplifting Soul records that made you jump out of your seat the first time you heard them.

Edited August 26, 2008 by andyrattigan

[Guest Nik Mak]

Tainted Love is a good record Im just sick of hearing it. However I've always liked Dobie Gray and it is a genuine 6ts Soul record which was popular in the heyday of Northern Soul.

Footsee is a very unfair comparison set against the aforementioned records as it isnt a Soul record at all just a pile of steaming horse dung.

Perhaps they shouldn't use any big oldies at all that is records that people actually liked and danced to in the heyday of Northern Soul but should only play the most obscurist of records that no one knows. Dont get me wrong I like obscure, unknown and underplayed records but I also love oldies and most of the obvious ones as well. Granted I dont want to hear them every time Im out.

Of course they will play big oldies in other words the types of records that got us all in to Soul in the first place. They are hardly going to play obscure b-side beat ballads are they?

They are trying to appeal to the wider world and not just us anoraks stuck on this site so we should all be prepared to probably hear Frank Wilson and other big oldies. Remember Frank Wilson's DO I LOVE YOU? a record most of us are probably sick of hearing but it's still a great fecking record and was once a new record to all of us that loved it when we first heard it.

Remember the first time you heard it or any other big oldie you are now sick of. Surely that's what turned us all on to Soul. Catchy uplifting Soul records that made you jump out of your seat the first time you heard them.

I Concur on the 'Footsie' comment, I wouldn't have been so polite! All three trax including Frank Wilson are stunning examples of Northern Soul but the first two for me we're more Youth club spins than huge tunes at the Casino? I might be wrong but I don't remember them being played much there just everywhere else! I fully understand the need to appeal but is that really what the scene was about? Appealing to the masses? No imho. The scene was undergound and if your going to tell a story about an underground scene then do just that. They say they are commited to keeping the authenticity and realism of the scene as it was back then, putting music in just to appeal to a wider COMMERCIAL audiance you haven't got yet is hedging your bets a bit don't you think. Or do they not have the faith in the strength of the story to appeal? I wish they would post the music they are going to use then I'm sure they would get a lot more positive backing from this community until then the odd bits of info flying around only adds to the distrust. Northern Soul was and still is the music so it IS incredibley important to get this right. This is our collective history they are portraying here not a made up story. The made up bit belongs to the characters in this film and they can have as much artistic licence with that as they want. I for one would be mortified if our whole scene was made to look ridiculous and unimportant. But we will have to wait and see I guess.

[Corbett80]

I hope Alfie Allen surprises in it as his public persona singles him out as a bit of a tool.

Would be nice to have people in it worthy of the records.

[Guest andyrattigan]

I Concur on the 'Footsie' comment, I wouldn't have been so polite! All three trax including Frank Wilson are stunning examples of Northern Soul but the first two for me we're more Youth club spins than huge tunes at the Casino? I might be wrong but I don't remember them being played much there just everywhere else! I fully understand the need to appeal but is that really what the scene was about? Appealing to the masses? No imho. The scene was undergound and if your going to tell a story about an underground scene then do just that. They say they are commited to keeping the authenticity and realism of the scene as it was back then, putting music in just to appeal to a wider COMMERCIAL audiance you haven't got yet is hedging your bets a bit don't you think. Or do they not have the faith in the strength of the story to appeal? I wish they would post the music they are going to use then I'm sure they would get a lot more positive backing from this community until then the odd bits of info flying around only adds to the distrust. Northern Soul was and still is the music so it IS incredibley important to get this right. This is our collective history they are portraying here not a made up story. The made up bit belongs to the characters in this film and they can have as much artistic licence with that as they want. I for one would be mortified if our whole scene was made to look ridiculous and unimportant. But we will have to wait and see I guess.

Some very valid points.

[Jumpinjoan]

I Concur on the 'Footsie' comment, I wouldn't have been so polite! All three trax including Frank Wilson are stunning examples of Northern Soul but the first two for me we're more Youth club spins than huge tunes at the Casino? I might be wrong but I don't remember them being played much there just everywhere else! I fully understand the need to appeal but is that really what the scene was about? Appealing to the masses? No imho. The scene was undergound and if your going to tell a story about an underground scene then do just that. They say they are commited to keeping the authenticity and realism of the scene as it was back then, putting music in just to appeal to a wider COMMERCIAL audiance you haven't got yet is hedging your bets a bit don't you think. Or do they not have the faith in the strength of the story to appeal? I wish they would post the music they are going to use then I'm sure they would get a lot more positive backing from this community until then the odd bits of info flying around only adds to the distrust. Northern Soul was and still is the music so it IS incredibley important to get this right. This is our collective history they are portraying here not a made up story. The made up bit belongs to the characters in this film and they can have as much artistic licence with that as they want. I for one would be mortified if our whole scene was made to look ridiculous and unimportant. But we will have to wait and see I guess.

Great post!

[Modernsoulsucks]

Pretty sure "Out on the floor" was pre-Wigan but Gloria Jones may have just crept in. Seem to remember it being popular for Richard amongst others around VaVa time and I think hearing the clapping along at Wigan.

If it's set in '74 it's gotta reflect that period so as much as we'd prefer Cecil Washington to "Footsee" it might not be true to life. Luckily the latter may be after '74.

ROD

[Guest Nik Mak]

Pretty sure "Out on the floor" was pre-Wigan but Gloria Jones may have just crept in. Seem to remember it being popular for Richard amongst others around VaVa time and I think hearing the clapping along at Wigan.

If it's set in '74 it's gotta reflect that period so as much as we'd prefer Cecil Washington to "Footsee" it might not be true to life. Luckily the latter may be after '74.

ROD

Your probably right but I seem to remember that the Gloria Jones vanished quite quickly when the bootleggers pressed it up as happened to most of the big tunes when they got released to the masses. I also remember stuff like Delights 'Lover' was a huge tune at the time & Beverly Ann 'He's coming home' + Bernie Williams 'Ever again'? Don't quote me on this time does wierd shit to the memory so I may be totally wrong. Lol The 'Footsie' comment is a bit of a piss take BUT it was played and it did appear on T.O.T.P (I think). It's just a very scary thought that who ever is doing the music has been told to drag out tunes that are recognized OUTSIDE the scene rather than those that MADE the scene.

[Guest kerby]

Glad to hear it was a good day...... I just got the call to show up at Kings Hall at 7am this Thursday, so am really excited now....... I'm just going along for the fun of it and because i love to dance.

Perdita

i would,nt get to excited my daughter has been there for 2 weeks & nothins happened yet

[Perdita]

i would,nt get to excited my daughter has been there for 2 weeks & nothins happened yet

I just got back, I left early cos that's exactly what happened...................NOTHING!!!

Went over yesterday already and spent 4 and half hours watching the same 30 seconds being shot over and over (without being used as an extra)! Went back today and watched the same 30 seconds again...........................and still no "extras dancing" action, just standing around watching or standing around in a crowd scene...............but no dancing whatsoever and no music, so was bored out my mind most of the time. The only good bit was watching the authentic old timers doing their moves at the back and wishing I was at a proper allniter/soulnite. Wont be going to the 'recall' tomorrow.

Oh well, one lives and learns..........

Perdita

[Perdita]

YAYYYY....................just made it to page 17 of this thread!

[Russ Vickers]

Your probably right but I seem to remember that the Gloria Jones vanished quite quickly when the bootleggers pressed it up as happened to most of the big tunes when they got released to the masses. I also remember stuff like Delights 'Lover' was a huge tune at the time & Beverly Ann 'He's coming home' + Bernie Williams 'Ever again'? Don't quote me on this time does wierd shit to the memory so I may be totally wrong. Lol The 'Footsie' comment is a bit of a piss take BUT it was played and it did appear on T.O.T.P (I think). It's just a very scary thought that who ever is doing the music has been told to drag out tunes that are recognized OUTSIDE the scene rather than those that MADE the scene.

Im sure the Delites was much later...........78/79........Pete ????.

Russ