Souled Out Film Hits Trouble?

[Paul-s]

Thing is though... would you get a plumber making a film about cooking in a top notch resturaunt or a political activist / suicide bomber maiking a film on the Nobel Peace Prize...? So why are some usless tossers who think 'Duffy' is the epitome of northern soul doing a film about something as sensative as Wigan Casino.... Did their mam sing 'love bandit' or some other light ditty to them as she rocked them to sleep before dropping them on their heads.... Hang on though... just had a thought thingie... wouldn't all this debate and bitching just create more interest for the film.. and wouldn't it make more money for the backers.... jeeze me finks we shud just ignore the whole fing and pretend it doesn't exist......

very true mate......i was just trying to pick up all the childrens dummies. Finished now, I hope. Paul B, is probably off filming 'The Nicholas Brothers Story' (if hes heard of them! ) Its a new film about their life and incredible dancing, but, without the dancing, cos, " who gives a f--k if its not what they did, no one cares". This guys could rip through the entire history of dance without doing ANY research or altering a step. NOW thats arrogant

Edited October 3, 2008 by paul-s

[Guest]

Well if you are claiming to be highly developed thank God I'm still dragging my knuckles

Ive seen the marks you left on the dusty floors of soul venues. .....

But, as usual, you come on, make a general uninformed comment /dig and then when confronted with your inherent ignorance, you avoid ALL the points made. Top stuff

Hi Paul

Im I right in saying you yourself are involved in some capacity in making a film ,northern soul based at the mo

[Jumpinjoan]

Hi Paul

Im I right in saying you yourself are involved in some capacity in making a film ,northern soul based at the mo

Whether he is or whether he isn't - what's that got to do with what we are talking about here?

[Guest]

Whether he is or whether he isn't - what's that got to do with what we are talking about here?

Just wanted some info did I cause some sort of grievance by asking we are talking about soul films or films that have soul in them just a question should I start a new post asking about a possible future film

[Guest clanger v2]

Just read through this thread and I have to say that I'm really disappointed with some of the attitudes and self importance that come across.

I know it's a forum and you can't always read the posts as they were intended.

Put people should just get over themselves.

[Little-stevie]

Just wanted some info did I cause some sort of grievance by asking we are talking about soul films or films that have soul in them just a question should I start a new post asking about a possible future film

There is a post already someplace on this forum about other films... It seems that there are quite a few looking to come to life...

I keep brushing the one tooth i have left, in the hope of looking 20 again for a part in any productions.. The late nights and long weekends aint helping

Take a chill pill and rock in the real world....

Edited October 3, 2008 by little-stevie

[posstot]

Just read through this thread and I have to say that I'm really disappointed with some of the attitudes and self importance that come across.

I know it's a forum and you can't always read the posts as they were intended.

Put people should just get over themselves.

HEAR HEAR

[Guest in town Mikey]

Paul.

i've never seen Dave have sly digs at anyone.

I come from the same stance as you, that this film is hanging onto the coat tails of a scene they know nothing about, and I fear it will be do the Northern Soul scene a massive disservice. BUT I dont get the passion you have against it. it means nothing to me. Its not Northern Soul, It may pay lip service but it has little or nothing to do with me and my perception of the Northern Soul scene.

Not so long ago you were upset, rightfully so, at attacks on people on here by Ian Levine. So why have you done exactly the same to Dave, who IMO is nothing but a positive poster and influence on Soul Source?

I'm not having a go. I'd love to share a beer and have a chat Soul wise with you, as I think we are very similar in what we think Northern Soul is or isnt. (Hence my 100% support of your play right from the word go) But Dave is a top bloke too, as I'm sure Paul etc are, tho I dont know them. I supported the passion shown against Ian as I felt you were spot on with your criticisms, if not a little more forthright than I would or could be. I dont think the arguement with Dave is productive or as justified.

peace

Mike

[Rich Buckley]

Thing is though... would you get a plumber making a film about cooking in a top notch resturaunt or a political activist / suicide bomber maiking a film on the Nobel Peace Prize...? So why are some usless tossers who think 'Duffy' is the epitome of northern soul doing a film about something as sensative as Wigan Casino.... Did their mam sing 'love bandit' or some other light ditty to them as she rocked them to sleep before dropping them on their heads.... Hang on though... just had a thought thingie... wouldn't all this debate and bitching just create more interest for the film.. and wouldn't it make more money for the backers.... jeeze me finks we shud just ignore the whole fing and pretend it doesn't exist......

very true mate......i was just trying to pick up all the childrens dummies. Finished now, I hope. Paul B, is probably off filming 'The Nicholas Brothers Story' (if hes heard of them! ) Its a new film about their life and incredible dancing, but, without the dancing, cos, " who gives a f--k if its not what they did, no one cares". This guys could rip through the entire history of dance without doing ANY research or altering a step. NOW thats arrogant

Paul, you've lost the plot mate. Your venom and bile on this thread is unbelievable. The film is a fictional drama, not a documentary. I'm nothing to do with the film, but will watch it out of interest in case it's any good. Ian Levine's nothing to do with the film, so I don't know why you keep trying to goad him as well as others on this thread. If the film's crap and inaccurate then so be it, but let's give it a chance and not forget it is a fictional drama and not a documentary or reconstruction of an historical event. If people have got involved (like Paul and Paul) then good luck to them. They're good lads who are well into the music, end of. If the production team treated the extras poorly then that's obviously pish poor. You just come across as deeply mean spirited and spiteful. Stop goading people. If you think it's going to be a pile of trash, don't go and watch it. I also don't know why you keep goading the production team as if they should be on here every day to rebut your constant snipes and insults. If others on here had written some of the personal insults you've dished out today they'd have been chucked off the site by now. All a bit sad and unnecessary in my book.

Rich

[Guest]

There is a post already someplace on this forum about other films... It seems that there are quite a few looking coming to life...

I keep brushing the one tooth i have left, in the hope of looking 20 again for a part in any productions.. The late nights and long weekends aint helping

Take a chill pill and rock in the real world....

Thanks stevie will have a browse, down your neck of the woods in couple of weeks in mancunian land hoping for a few good nights and lots of chilling

Soulfully Kieran

[Pete S]

Whether he is or whether he isn't - what's that got to do with what we are talking about here?

It's got everything to do with it, though I suppose his film will be f*cking brilliant cos he's involved and he's the real thing...

[Paul-s]

Hi Paul

Im I right in saying you yourself are involved in some capacity in making a film ,northern soul based at the mo

I am definitely NOT involved in making a film about 'Northern Soul'. That, I think is an impossible feat. So, your not right in saying that.

cheers

Paul

[Tricky]

To Paul Sadot - I agree with you one thousand per cent mate! I for one find a production company that seems to be getting so much so wrong in an historical context perplexing to say the least.In the past has there ever been a decent documentary done about the scene that has not had you looking at it through your fingers? I would say no and that includes Look Easts effort a couple of weeks ago.If the documentaries are cringeworthy what chance a film that is only using the Casino as a background to the main story anyway.I started on an underground scene and thats where i want to be come my demise.I did like the short film with Dennis Pennis as the DJ as that was funny and of course the stage play Once A Time In Wigan.

So thats my twopenneth worth.

Trev

[Paul-s]

It's got everything to do with it, though I suppose his film will be f*cking brilliant cos he's involved and he's the real thing...

A bit premature there Pete (always been your problem ). Maybe wait for my reply?? See HOW the hypocrites on here like to steam in on the whisper of a rumour when its about me. My questions about 'SOULED OUT' are based on fact...TRUST ME (to quote a rimmerism!) Not rumour.

[Corbett80]

"I am definitely NOT involved in making a film about 'Northern Soul'. That, I think is an impossible feat. So, your not right in saying that."

But a play is??

Its all getting a bit luvvie this isn't it?

Edited October 3, 2008 by mulf

[Pete S]

A bit premature there Pete (always been your problem ).

Not the first time someones said that to me

[Guest]

Hi Paul

Im I right in saying you yourself are involved in some capacity in making a film ,northern soul based at the mo

I am definitely NOT involved in making a film about 'Northern Soul'. That, I think is an impossible feat. So, your not right in saying that.

cheers

Paul

Cheers Paul was just wondering how many films are being made at this time seems quite a few

[Corbett80]

I thought part of the northern scene's appeal was it's resolutely underground and non commercial stance. All these films, plays and f*** knows what just go to undermine the scenes credibility imho.

Edited October 3, 2008 by mulf

[Paul-s]

Paul, you've lost the plot mate. Your venom and bile on this thread is unbelievable. The film is a fictional drama, not a documentary. I'm nothing to do with the film, but will watch it out of interest in case it's any good. Ian Levine's nothing to do with the film, so I don't know why you keep trying to goad him as well as others on this thread. If the film's crap and inaccurate then so be it, but let's give it a chance and not forget it is a fictional drama and not a documentary or reconstruction of an historical event. If people have got involved (like Paul and Paul) then good luck to them. They're good lads who are well into the music, end of. If the production team treated the extras poorly then that's obviously pish poor. You just come across as deeply mean spirited and spiteful. Stop goading people. If you think it's going to be a pile of trash, don't go and watch it. I also don't know why you keep goading the production team as if they should be on here every day to rebut your constant snipes and insults. If others on here had written some of the personal insults you've dished out today they'd have been chucked off the site by now. All a bit sad and unnecessary in my book.

Rich

You need to broaden your reading then mate. I have NOT slagged anyone. I called them 'stunt' dancers, a technical term. They , then got a bit prissy and rude. WHERE did I slag them off, before they came on with the "were young" bit?

So, please read the whole f--king thread, before you start your "offended from the suberbs speech". The production team WERE ON HERE EVERY DAY, when they wanted something for nothing.

Just to point out how stupid and ridiculous your reply is, can I remind you, although its a fictional drama, its set in an HISTORICAL SETTING..DUH! . Its getting tedious answering idiots who neglect ALL the facts. WHY are they re creating (their words not mine) Wigan? If its not historical? Why is it not in a fictitious club? WHY were they looking for locations where they could recreate Wigan? Why did they want Wigan memorabilia? Really mate, get a grip on articulation. You are the bilious one, as you can only answer through your bigoted view of me. Sit in silence and let CRAP happen around yourself, but dont expect me to dis-engage with life and my surroundings and let fools talk utter rubbish. Insulting? You are the insulting one. At least come to me with an adult, informed and articulated view,.

[Paul-s]

"I am definitely NOT involved in making a film about 'Northern Soul'. That, I think is an impossible feat. So, your not right in saying that."

But a play is??

Ask those who saw it.? I dont know...seemed to. It worked for me. Mainly because it used Wigan footage and the dancers did there homework, the script was accurate and based on fact. Also, theatre leaves room for the audiences imagination to fill in gaps and create the atmosphere. But, being a luvvie, I guess you know that.

[Pete S]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

[Corbett80]

I'm not a luvvie unfortunately, i wish i was i might have more money.......

Edited October 3, 2008 by mulf

[Guest Chris Waterman]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

Yea,but,no,but,yea...........feck it, Can I wait till the DVD version is booted?

Edited October 3, 2008 by Chris Waterman

[Guest in town Mikey]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

No

[Paul-s]

i've never seen Dave have sly digs at anyone.

I come from the same stance as you, that this film is hanging onto the coat tails of a scene they know nothing about, and I fear it will be do the Northern Soul scene a massive disservice. BUT I dont get the passion you have against it. it means nothing to me. Its not Northern Soul, It may pay lip service but it has little or nothing to do with me and my perception of the Northern Soul scene.

Not so long ago you were upset, rightfully so, at attacks on people on here by Ian Levine. So why have you done exactly the same to Dave, who IMO is nothing but a positive poster and influence on Soul Source?

I'm not having a go. I'd love to share a beer and have a chat Soul wise with you, as I think we are very similar in what we think Northern Soul is or isnt. (Hence my 100% support of your play right from the word go) But Dave is a top bloke too, as I'm sure Paul etc are, tho I dont know them. I supported the passion shown against Ian as I felt you were spot on with your criticisms, if not a little more forthright than I would or could be. I dont think the arguement with Dave is productive or as justified.

peace

Mike

"When I read the first post in the thread about the film being allegedly in trouble I did think that gloating is one of the most unattractive personality traits that can be displayed."

So hes NOT slagging anyone here or having a dig or insulting people, just because they dont take his view.....hes not saying I have a bad personality trait in the form of gloating? Come on, read the whole script before you add a scene

[Paul-s]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

Done them a big favour with this thread. Lots of views.

YES

im looking forward to it!

[macca]

I will gladly watch the film. I was nervous when Dickie was making Gandhi, but my fears were soon assuaged.

The portrayal of a slight man in a loin cloth, rimless spectacles and flip-flops could have been open to all sorts of abuses.

[Guest]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

YES INDEEDY

[Swifty]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

Yup! then I'll have an opinion

Swifty

[Guest]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

No. I think they've taken the pi$$ and ripped you all off.

Jayne.x

[Guest Beeks]

Jesus...you lot could cause an argument in a paper bag on your own...were you always this miserable and negative about everything and anything that takes you out of your comfort zone?

It's a bloody film...get over it

[Spacehopper]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

yes....takin the mrs to the cinema.....at last !...gotta be worth some brownie points

also thinkin good job the 'discussions' at soul nights etc dont get so passionate as this site ...would be kickin off everyweek !

[Ernie Andrews]

Thanks Bogue and Richard for getting my joke. It comes from being a David Bowie fan, in the song Sweet Thing off Diamond Dogs he uses that expression and I discovered eventually that Les Tricoteurs were the women who used to hang around the guillotine passing their time by knitting and whatever waiting for the executions to happen.

Interesting French lesson Pete - just over a week ago I was sitting in the Cafe- Le Procoup which was the first cafe in Paris and where the revolutionary conspirators would make up the list of who was next to be the victim of madame guillotene. Nice place very baroque and very expensive!

[Peter99]

Anyway, my corned beef hash is nearly ready and its the first time I've made it.

Is it good or have you fooked it up?

[Peter99]

Okay let's have a vote on it.

Are you looking forward to seeing this film when it's finished?

YES

Yes

[Guest MBarrett]

And Quadraphenia was only watched by mods? Er, AFAIK it was one of the keys to the mod revival around 79? That and related music was used in TV programmes and was being performed by current acts.

Sound familiar?

Oh, and you'll find that Quad is widely criticised for its anachronisms too. Didn't stop it having a big effect on a lot of young people at the time.

I subscribe to the magazine Classic Scooterist Scene.

They have had an ongoing feature for about 6 editions now written by a guy who was an "amateur" extra in Quadrophenia.

Makes very interesting reading.

MB

[Chris L]

"I heard it through the grapevine" That this production has run into difficulties and that one of the actors has walked? Can anyone from the film enlighten us?

When you visit the film website it's still dating from August !! When's supposed to be coming out.......???

[Soulfool]

Jesus...you lot could cause an argument in a paper bag on your own...were you always this miserable and negative about everything and anything that takes you out of your comfort zone?

It's a bloody film...get over it

Please read this what this dude has to say and move the f*** on,

peace, love, happiness is what soul's all about - don't spoil it

[Paul-s]

I will gladly watch the film. I was nervous when Dickie was making Gandhi, but my fears were soon assuaged.

The portrayal of a slight man in a loin cloth, rimless spectacles and flip-flops could have been open to all sorts of abuses.

[

[Paul-s]

Jesus...you lot could cause an argument in a paper bag on your own...were you always this miserable and negative about everything and anything that takes you out of your comfort zone?

It's a bloody film...get over it

Fact Beeks, because people question things, it doesn't therefore mean that 'they' are negative or indeed miserable. On many things its a 'positive' thing to question...the poll tax for instance.

So, if you choose to comment, at least make it a comment, not a sound bite. Comfort zone? ERmmmm, what would you know about mine or anyone elses comfort zone. If applied to its logical conclusion, I could say that my being negative, takes YOU out of your comfort zone, manifesting in this inane comment

[nubes]

I was very upset by this and flounced off to strap my toes together

...... ....Delxxxx

[Guest Beeks]

Jesus...you lot could cause an argument in a paper bag on your own...were you always this miserable and negative about everything and anything that takes you out of your comfort zone?

It's a bloody film...get over it

Fact Beeks, because people question things, it doesn't therefore mean that 'they' are negative or indeed miserable. On many things its a 'positive' thing to question...the poll tax for instance.

So, if you choose to comment, at least make it a comment, not a sound bite. Comfort zone? ERmmmm, what would you know about mine or anyone elses comfort zone. If applied to its logical conclusion, I could say that my being negative, takes YOU out of your comfort zone, manifesting in this inane comment

Far too much thought went into that post Paul

[Guest dundeedavie]

when it comes out i'll go and see it and view it like i do all movies .....looking for engaging characters , a good story and most of all to be entertained .

if it does those things i doubt i'll even notice technical inaccuracies ...if there are any

[nubes]

Far too much thought went into that post Paul

...so you can imagine just how much thought and hard work Paul applied to OUATIW.....anything less than that...will not be acceptable...and yes we all know it is a film ... and i for one will be glad when the fcuker's out.,..those rotten tomatoes are really festering ...... .Delxxx

[Guest SouledOutFilm]

Pity the 'Souled Out' guy couldn't have said something when he was on here yesterday afternoon.

Guy?

[Rich Buckley]

Paul, you've lost the plot mate. Your venom and bile on this thread is unbelievable. The film is a fictional drama, not a documentary. I'm nothing to do with the film, but will watch it out of interest in case it's any good. Ian Levine's nothing to do with the film, so I don't know why you keep trying to goad him as well as others on this thread. If the film's crap and inaccurate then so be it, but let's give it a chance and not forget it is a fictional drama and not a documentary or reconstruction of an historical event. If people have got involved (like Paul and Paul) then good luck to them. They're good lads who are well into the music, end of. If the production team treated the extras poorly then that's obviously pish poor. You just come across as deeply mean spirited and spiteful. Stop goading people. If you think it's going to be a pile of trash, don't go and watch it. I also don't know why you keep goading the production team as if they should be on here every day to rebut your constant snipes and insults. If others on here had written some of the personal insults you've dished out today they'd have been chucked off the site by now. All a bit sad and unnecessary in my book.

Rich

You need to broaden your reading then mate. I have NOT slagged anyone. I called them 'stunt' dancers, a technical term. They , then got a bit prissy and rude. WHERE did I slag them off, before they came on with the "were young" bit?

So, please read the whole f--king thread, before you start your "offended from the suberbs speech". The production team WERE ON HERE EVERY DAY, when they wanted something for nothing.

Just to point out how stupid and ridiculous your reply is, can I remind you, although its a fictional drama, its set in an HISTORICAL SETTING..DUH! . Its getting tedious answering idiots who neglect ALL the facts. WHY are they re creating (their words not mine) Wigan? If its not historical? Why is it not in a fictitious club? WHY were they looking for locations where they could recreate Wigan? Why did they want Wigan memorabilia? Really mate, get a grip on articulation. You are the bilious one, as you can only answer through your bigoted view of me. Sit in silence and let CRAP happen around yourself, but dont expect me to dis-engage with life and my surroundings and let fools talk utter rubbish. Insulting? You are the insulting one. At least come to me with an adult, informed and articulated view,.

Paul, I don't have a bigoted view of you where do you get that from? Me and you have never had cross words. Why are you so aggressive?

I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about. If it is crap and inaccurate do you think the scene's going to implode? As Mikey has said, it's going to change nothing; it's an underground scene today and it'll be an underground scene after the film's release. I'm sure most of us will go and watch it. If it's accurate and a good film then brilliant, if it isn't then I'm sure us soulies will cringe and laugh in equal measures at parts of it we view as off the mark. It won't change anything though and I won't lose any sleep over it.

You and I both know the legals involved in clearing third party material for any production and of course let's hope the big labels that often ultimately own the rights in our beloved recordings play ball to allow the original songs to be included, which would generate royalties for artists who, as we know, often have only two bob to their name. That would be great wouldn't it?

Let's not insult anyone's intelligence here, you called Paul, Liam etc "stunt" dancers in quotes to be totally sarcastic. Nobody outside of the industry would have known that term. I think objectively most people on here would view saying Dave Rimmer's got no personality as slagging too. I know who I'd rather have a pint with. You're so unnecessarily patronising in this thread it's unreal. By all means be passionate about the subject matter but why the aggressive and constantly patronising tone to regulars on here who have no axe to grind with you?

Not one of us on here at the moment knows how the film's going to turn out and I think the sane vast majority (people with standing on the scene such as Ted Massey, Dave Rimmer (Willie Rushton )Ady, Jocko etc) naturally hold my view i.e wait and see. If it is crap and inaccurate we can all discuss it on here afterwards and have a general moan. What's the alternative? You've got no right to dictate to anybody what they make a film about nor how they make it. I know you said it's impossible to make a film about northern soul to capture the scene's essence (and I tend to agree), but are you truly advocating censorship? Maybe if you'd injected your passion and energy expended on this thread into advising them or offering a hand, you'd be less angry. It puzzles me why you're so aggressive. As I've said, if the extras were badly treated then a big thumbs down, although nobody forced anyone to attend anything for free. You and I both know about production budgets. Sure, the production team came on here to inform us about the production and to get extras. I personally don't see a problem with that; people are grown up enough to decide whether they want to participate or not.

Anyways, I hope it's crammed full of original music, as accurate as possible and a damn good watch! Peace

Rich

Edited October 3, 2008 by Rich Buckley

[Corbett80]

The whole things pants: films, plays....much more interesting and worthwhile spending time on the records themselves since they are the actual reason any of us are even bothering in the first place.

Edited October 3, 2008 by mulf

[CRUMB]

I refer to the one they're shooting about Wigan Casino.... isn't what this discussion is all about...? If I'm on the wrong track then please accept my appologises... I'll just blame it on old age... BIG MICK

Souled Out's being filmed in Stoke, I think the one Russ is involved with is being filmed in Wigan. If that's not confusing enough there's supposed to be another NS film starring Sienna Miller & Rhys Ifans but I've not heard owt about that for a while.

[Corbett80]

Imagine the ruckus that little lot will cause.

[Guest Beeks]

Imagine the ruckus that little lot will cause.

It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine