burt weedon Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 id rather av the gangstes,than some of these bloody clicks, they do more damage wiv der tounges,than the mob cudwiv ther tommys,,,,,ha.easy burt. pete s.will mail about sum records iv found.cheers. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest BigPaul Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 YEP remember him well from Derby used to come to val finlayson s flat in manchester with Nobby Stephens an Richard Dougless got some good fotos of him. i was goin wi val at the time they had uually done a chemist by the time they got to us ,,,Larry was into every thing . believe he died couple of years ago . Gave me my first black bombers . whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Steve Sure Larrys still alive and kicking Steve. Was over in Littleover, Derby 2 weeks ago, meeting Caths sis and her hubby for the 1st time. He used to run with Larry, Fiak and Co during the Wheel, Blue Orchid, Draycott days and Saturday afternoons on the Pop Side at Derby matches. Told me he'd seen him only a couple a weeks previous. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 One of Randy Cozens' main interests was the Mob and he often spent his hols in NYC hanging out in mob areas. He once introduced himself to John Gotti's brother which is a pretty dangerous thing to do! He had lots of original books and documents on the Mafia and gangsters. Even gets a mention in a book about the mafia,i remember Randy showing me one time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Steve Lehair Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Sure Larrys still alive and kicking Steve. Was over in Littleover, Derby 2 weeks ago, meeting Caths sis and her hubby for the 1st time. He used to run with Larry, Fiak and Co during the Wheel, Blue Orchid, Draycott days and Saturday afternoons on the Pop Side at Derby matches. Told me he'd seen him only a couple a weeks previous. WEll seems we have a mystery then some say he no longer with us some he alive and well hope some one or the man himself can let us know once and for all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tim Finch Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Give over. Good as gold, the pair of 'em! Tim (Hope you're well Tony ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ritchieandrew Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 A couple of N.S. record related 'Gangsters' here: Willie Hoskins. Owner of Boola Boola records, who signed & recorded the Natural Four, described by band member Chris James as a "real shady character." George Blackwell. During the early sixties Sammy Campbell worked for George Blackwell, & his label Smoke. George Blackwell advanced Sammy Campbell cash to promote a concert just as Job Opening by The Del Larks (including S.C.) was taking off. Blackwell seeing a full house demanded his stake back plus a large bonus. Sammy Campbell refused & after a heated argument, Blackwells wife drew a gun on Campbell & releived him of $500. I spoke to Sammy Campbell @ Prestatyn last year and he confirmed this was true. He was also gobsmacked when he heard that 'Can't Loose my head' by George Blackwell was a big Northern tune. Toodle pip, Ricardo. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 id rather av the gangstes,than some of these bloody clicks, they do more damage wiv der tounges,than the mob cudwiv ther tommys,,,,,ha.easy burt. pete s.will mail about sum records iv found.cheers. Are they reggae?? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Karen Heath Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Even gets a mention in a book about the mafia,i remember Randy showing me one time. Yes he does-I have the book right here-he gave it to me...haven't read it though! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Drew3 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 Hi drew have u been in the army at anytime , Thanks andy c Sorry mate not me. KTF. Drew. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Johnmcc Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 lots of record label owners from back in the day were gangsters, lots of stories from every US city probably. https://www.soul-source.co.uk/rare-northern...lcons-interview See Rob's article - this would make some film! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Graym Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Give over. Good as gold, the pair of 'em! Tim (Hope you're well Tony ) Of course Mak forgot to mention the 'brains' behind it all ..........Harry from Heage !!! Tim how are you - will I be seeing you at the Nailers Soul Night in Belper tomorrow evening - despite the match we're still on. Mak are you calling in on your way home to gloat ? And before you start Mak I'm missing the match to spin some tunes as I don't want to witness two cup exits in a week. Mak - fancy you mentioning Kev O'Reilly - will never forget Jimmy Hill's comments on MOTD when Kev had his 15 seconds of fame rucking on the BBG pitch in full view of the nation. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Give over. Good as gold, the pair of 'em! Tim (Hope you're well Tony ) Hi Tim , I think the air darn sarf has send you a bit puddled . PM me Tim Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mak Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Of course Mak forgot to mention the 'brains' behind it all ..........Harry from Heage !!! Tim how are you - will I be seeing you at the Nailers Soul Night in Belper tomorrow evening - despite the match we're still on. Mak are you calling in on your way home to gloat ? And before you start Mak I'm missing the match to spin some tunes as I don't want to witness two cup exits in a week. Mak - fancy you mentioning Kev O'Reilly - will never forget Jimmy Hill's comments on MOTD when Kev had his 15 seconds of fame rucking on the BBG pitch in full view of the nation. Brains Remember KO'R on MOTD, v Chelsea I believe See you tomorow ........................................maybe !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest vinylvixen Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I don't think Soul night takins have been worth their while. However, I remember hearing recently about connections between the mob and Roulette records. I hadn't heard this before but I guess it's not surprising given the label's name. I think a lot of Chicago labels were effected too. I'd be interested to hear more about this. Read Lonely Teardrops Dave - I think Jackie was held by his ankles out of a window....but there were so many ankle dangling incidents in the music business, they all become one big blur. But I tell you this, you squeal and you'll be swimming with da fishes - capeesh Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest vinylvixen Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 One of Randy Cozens' main interests was the Mob and he often spent his hols in NYC hanging out in mob areas. He once introduced himself to John Gotti's brother which is a pretty dangerous thing to do! He had lots of original books and documents on the Mafia and gangsters. Dangerous for who....I'd be more scared of Randy than Gotti And Randy had a tattoo of Gotti on his arm....I think They'll be up there in the big pizza parlour in the sky, 'Rags to Riches' playing in the background and having a ball Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Dangerous for who....I'd be more scared of Randy than Gotti And Randy had a tattoo of Gotti on his arm....I think They'll be up there in the big pizza parlour in the sky, 'Rags to Riches' playing in the background and having a ball I do not know if this has been touched on earlier ( I cannot - sorry - be assed trail through previous replies / postings ) , but it comes from the " new article " section on SS , taken from Rob Moss' " I Love Detroit " interview with Sonny Monro of The Falcons , which originally featured in the October 2008 edition of Manifesto ......... " The long running speculation regarding any possible Mafia influence in Gordy's operations received scant attention. "They ran it man. He owed them money and they told him 'This company is ours'. Everybody knew it. He wheeled and dealed but they ran the show. They made him get out of Detroit too - told him to go out to California. That's why they left so quickly." Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Iancsloft Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 what about SMOKEY from st helens.....dodgy......or big ROBBOfrom wolverhampton....dodgy,but ok.... ============================================================================ Smokey was from Wolverhampton but lived in Haydock nr St Helens for a while he was a daily visitor to the Bungalow i had in Lowton in 73 / 74 . Great bloke Steven ( Smokey ) but sometimes dangerous to be around aka Cats one night after collecting money for gear off several black guys ect told them i had the gear then he did a runner with Kev Fox and left me and Alan Snaylam to leg it chased by a assortment of angry young men he he Regards Ian Cunliffe Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Read Lonely Teardrops Dave - I think Jackie was held by his ankles out of a window....but there were so many ankle dangling incidents in the music business, they all become one big blur. But I tell you this, you squeal and you'll be swimming with da fishes - capeesh The mafia connection mentioned in Lonely Teardrops is Gaetano Vastola who apparently had othe music interests, including Roulette Records. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaetano_Vastola_(gangster) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest mobbsy Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 What about labels such as Gamble or Triad? Seriously though, I heard something about Vee Jay, and the story that the mafia coerced them to record white artists, and this is how the label got to release records by the Four Seasons and The Beatles. Apparently, Vee Jay went bust after the owner was imprisoned for embezzlement - can anyone confirm the story? heard that the guy who ran Peacock records out of Texas was a bit of a lad!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) heard that the guy who ran Peacock records out of Texas was a bit of a lad!! The chap you mean is Don D Robey ........ Robey , like many other owners of independent record labels at the time " especially those who put out music intended for African - American audiences , and who worked with African - American performers , Robey developed a reputation for unscrupulous business practices . Allegations were made against him in relation to the death of the singer Johnny Ace , following Ace trying to renegotiate his contract , but were never proven ..... Malc Burton Edited January 23, 2009 by Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest EType69 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Watched 'Coast To Coast' on a dodgy dvd at the weekend...... first time since its tv showing in the eighties. A hillarious combination of Soul & Gangsters. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liam2005 Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 One of Randy Cozens' main interests was the Mob and he often spent his hols in NYC hanging out in mob areas. He once introduced himself to John Gotti's brother which is a pretty dangerous thing to do! He had lots of original books and documents on the Mafia and gangsters. Hey up ady Wasn't the bloke who owned Carnival records a big of a mob dude? Greg Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Marc Forrest Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) The chap you mean is Don D Robey ........ Robey , like many other owners of independent record labels at the time " especially those who put out music intended for African - American audiences , and who worked with African - American performers , Robey developed a reputation for unscrupulous business practices . Allegations were made against him in relation to the death of the singer Johnny Ace , following Ace trying to renegotiate his contract , but were never proven ..... Malc Burton Hi Malc, thats true but those allegations came from Huey P. Meaux who himself is not...shall we say...the most trustworthy person on this planet involved with the music industry. Don Robey who was "famous" for being a very light coloured Black American (think his mother was white) -and as such one of the few Black people who had their own record business- had connections with and worked also for the people involved with the nightlife bars and especially red light business in Texas. He was also quite interested in gambling and ended up owing serious money to people one shouldn´t owe money to...so it has also been rumoured and stated that the reason for him to sell his stable of labels to ABC was to very very quickly raise as much money as he could in favour to pay for his debts... Marc Edited January 28, 2009 by Marc Forrest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Hey up ady Wasn't the bloke who owned Carnival records a big of a mob dude? Greg No he was one of the sweetest guys on the planet. he knew them all though and told me a funny story about when he was out with Nate McCalla of Calla records (he was a black gangster very tight with Maurice Levy), but i can't remember what it was! Hy Weiss of Old Town was meant to be mobbed up but he reckoned it was a case of mistaken identity which he never corrected as he always had his invoices settled on time because of it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
shelly Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 Brains Remember KO'R on MOTD, v Chelsea I believe See you tomorow ........................................maybe !! Harry from Heage! I think you mean he was the wheels and cash,not brains,no one had a car at that time!!! then there was that little excercise in Codnor , which we'll not go into. Rip Roper, haven't seen him since Cheshires equivalent of Van der Valk nicked us all at Nutsford. Apart from Derby's good ol' boys, everyone one a gem, what about that thug the "late Cody Hughes" from Stoke, he'd take take everything, as you where witness. One not mentioned who was a star - Desi from Preston, he'd spend half the night in the Torch sitting on the sink in the toilet, room for about 4 max,and take everything apart from 5 smarties, so as not to spoil your night! Having said that, when I was in a very bad way c June 72 he dragged a guy out of the trap so I could spend the next 2 hours throwing up, never did thank him. Shelly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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