Guest Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Hi Folks Can anybody tell me if the attached copy of said record is genuine or a boot????? can't seem to find out anywhere on the net. Many Thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yeah it's a boot. Sorry! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 heres the real one, Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 heres the real one, Oh Well!! Thanks guy's. Appreciated Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Elias Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 heres the real one, NICE Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 heres the real one, That's just the demo mate, this what you want..... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 This is a bit off topic, but it's always mystified me why this tune is rated, I've always thought it one of the worst sounds I ever heard on northern scene. Kenny Gamble is one of my all time heroes and I know it's all a matter of taste but...... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 That's just the demo mate, this what you want..... Nice one phil, mr pedley in yorks got one of those, allways remember him djing for us and a well known promoter who was also guesting for us said, you thought he`d have had a demo-oooooops 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich B Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I had an issue with a Radio stations stamp, not implying it was promotional, but inferring ownership, "WJKO" or something. I wish I had owned a digital camera when I sold up! To the best of my knowledge there weren't any demos known back then. As for one of the "worst ever sounds" - I'm a little mystified by that.... Regards to all, RB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Quinvy Posted January 31, 2009 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2009 This is a bit off topic, but it's always mystified me why this tune is rated, I've always thought it one of the worst sounds I ever heard on northern scene. Kenny Gamble is one of my all time heroes and I know it's all a matter of taste but...... Philadelphia's finest hour to my ears mate..... love it. 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Philadelphia's finest hour to my ears mate..... love it. I'm gonna give it another spin (pressing !!!) later today before heading off to Monumental to get me in the mood, the joke is obviously on me ! but then I was the only person on soul source who rated Bunny Siglers version of 'love train' !! I think I just have terrible taste! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
45cellar Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) heres the real one, That's just the demo mate, this what you want..... Neither are Easy in 2009. A Stock Copy must be Virtually Impossible. Thanks for Posting. Here is the Company Re-Issue to add to those already posted.. Styrene & Late 70's due to Demand If I remember Correctly. Not sure when the White Label Boot was made though. Edited January 31, 2009 by 45cellar Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Liamgp Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I seem to recall reading somewhere that Pat Brady used to dedicate it to the mods at Wigan whenever he played it... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Stubbsy Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Philadelphia's finest hour to my ears mate..... love it. Me too, wish I had one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rick Scott Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Mate of mine back in the 70's (Mick Byrne from Scunny if i remember correctly) got an original of this out of a John Andersons Soul Bowl Soul Pack which he sold on to Pat Brady for a tidy sum, John obviously didn't rate it at the time 'till it went massive at Wigan........ RICK Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Anbody any idea what boot version might be worth? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
grant Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Philadelphia's finest hour to my ears mate..... love it. and me.....fantastic record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 and me.....fantastic record and me too, have a few friends who loathe the record can`t understand why its a philadelphia masterpiece imho 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
good angel Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 and me too, have a few friends who loathe the record can`t understand why its a philadelphia masterpiece imho Harry, I love the record But like my Mam,says It would'nt do for us all to like everything. Kev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harry Crosby Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Harry, I love the record But like my Mam,says It would'nt do for us all to like everything. Kev Correct of course kev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ficklefingers Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Mmm.. that 'INFAMOUS' Jamie/Guyden set-up !! AND that particular 45 of Kenny Gamble's (very highly rated tune, personally) 'The JOKE'S On You' - Mmm.. Am I the only one on SS with distinctive & ever-engraved memories of the (mixture, of..) 'rumours', 'suppositions', & 'facts' relayed over the years (decades, now) concerning, firstly, the said J/G stable (that has produced countless gems to sate our passions, here, in the uk since the 60's) including 'tales' concerning 'face to face' dealings with the 'Principal' of the operation ?? Secondly.. the validity (as a genuine 60's original) of ANY copies of the Mr Gamble 45 - EXCEPT !! for a SINGLE - solitary.. 'TEST PRESSING' (the label owner confirming the originality of the said 'test' as the 'only' authentic 60's recording of 'TJOY' in vinyl format - during a 'face to face' with a certain UK based individual). Details (that I, personally, have derived) concerning this fact - & some others (after first hearing a 'rumour' in the late 70's) has come from long-standing & highly respected individuals (some, even, classed as 'Authorities'.. & 'Household Names'.. amongst the soul fraternity) and over a period of decades. too. With the main 'facts' confirmed by one particular (Staff's based & 'Top', 'TOP') individual, an infinite 'mine of knowledge', with 'years' spent in tracking down Artist(s)/Producers etc. With clever foresight - creating audio cassette tapes (transcripts) of most of his successful meetings & interviews with the numerous great soul music purveyors he encountered as a 'record' for prosperity to be shared (ideally) amongst the far spread 'disciples of soul', around all the lands. Ultimately, 'placing' another identified 'piece' of the gigantic 'puzzle' which surrounds our beloved tunes - with ideal potential for 'individual' publications of 'The Stories', discovered from these iconic figures.. People SO important a part of our wondrous 'Rare Soul Music' scene. The Test Pressing came via John Anderson of Soul Bowl. It wasn't 'fortunes' to purchase - but not too far short of a weeks wages at the time (£20 possibly ?? - though I'm certain that my long-term friend, and constant travelling companion at that time.. Kyp 'The Faith' Highbury, could confirm the 'exact' figure !! he having a fantastic memory for those types of facts). Yep.. that was my copy - until selling up in the early 80's. Can't remember where it went exactly - but wouldn't be suprised if it was another 45 that 'Mr Destiny Records' ripped me off for !! (Along with the likes of Lester Tipton; Sam Williams; plus my '1 of 3' - at the time - Magnetics 'Lady In Green'.. to name but a few !!) I still have my list of items (with respective individual 'achieved' sale prices ), from that time, that sold through (or to) Destiny Records (List) so could probably confirm if it did actually 'move' to Nottingham. Certainly not heard ANYTHING, whatsoever, since that time as to it's potential whereabouts - or movements. Food for thought.. innit !?! - 'Where Are they Now'.. ?? Back to the 'remainder' copies of the 45 - again, the individual from Staffs, relayed the tale of his meetings, with the 'Owner', during one visit Stateside - and the discovery's he made through resulting conversation & questions/answers. Not JUST about any one particular release from the stable, either !! Uh uh. Nope.. the ENTIRE CATALOGUE !! I don't mean that to say that the 'entire output' is not original 60's. That is not even an issue with most of the releases. I refer more about the 'availability' of copies of individual 45's from the long, long, list of 'desireables' included within their extensive catalogue. Am I the only one to remember (any of) these 'stories', 'rumours' etc. ?? Surely not. Have I 'rung any bells' for anyone out there ?? Unlocked a memory file that's been 'stashed' away, perhaps ?? No ?? Now - 'I'M' not saying (either way) that the K Gamble 45's 'Are' - or 'Are Not' - 'pucker', 'kosher', 'authentic' or 'real' etc. But, what I would like to do - is remind people of another (relevant) 'Scenario'.. About records that (still !!) sell, as 'originals' (to 'respected' & 'knowledgeable' collectors & DJ's, too), when in actual fact they are boots/counterfeits. Some - produced that long ago (and not all in the UK) that they have long been forgotten. (Or, as is quite easily the case these days, some people are not aware of in the first place - we aren't ALL from the same 'era'. There are a LOT of much younger 'regular' attendees on the current scene) Now, THAT is a fact - SO.. !?! FOOD FOR THOUGHT ?? Anyone ?? Fingers.. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich B Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 My issue was Gary Rushbrooke's old copy, bought for £25 when he was selling up. Well £50 for that and Lynn Varnado. They both went about 2002 when I sold my collection. I've been thinking, and I think the radio call sign was KIOO. RB Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Mmm.. that 'INFAMOUS' Jamie/Guyden set-up !! AND that particular 45 of Kenny Gamble's (very highly rated tune, personally) 'The JOKE'S On You' - Mmm.. Am I the only one on SS with distinctive & ever-engraved memories of the (mixture, of..) 'rumours', 'suppositions', & 'facts' relayed over the years (decades, now) concerning, firstly, the said J/G stable (that has produced countless gems to sate our passions, here, in the uk since the 60's) including 'tales' concerning 'face to face' dealings with the 'Principal' of the operation ?? Secondly.. the validity (as a genuine 60's original) of ANY copies of the Mr Gamble 45 - EXCEPT !! for a SINGLE - solitary.. 'TEST PRESSING' (the label owner confirming the originality of the said 'test' as the 'only' authentic 60's recording of 'TJOY' in vinyl format - during a 'face to face' with a certain UK based individual). Details (that I, personally, have derived) concerning this fact - & some others (after first hearing a 'rumour' in the late 70's) has come from long-standing & highly respected individuals (some, even, classed as 'Authorities'.. & 'Household Names'.. amongst the soul fraternity) and over a period of decades. too. With the main 'facts' confirmed by one particular (Staff's based & 'Top', 'TOP') individual, an infinite 'mine of knowledge', with 'years' spent in tracking down Artist(s)/Producers etc. With clever foresight - creating audio cassette tapes (transcripts) of most of his successful meetings & interviews with the numerous great soul music purveyors he encountered as a 'record' for prosperity to be shared (ideally) amongst the far spread 'disciples of soul', around all the lands. Ultimately, 'placing' another identified 'piece' of the gigantic 'puzzle' which surrounds our beloved tunes - with ideal potential for 'individual' publications of 'The Stories', discovered from these iconic figures.. People SO important a part of our wondrous 'Rare Soul Music' scene. The Test Pressing came via John Anderson of Soul Bowl. It wasn't 'fortunes' to purchase - but not too far short of a weeks wages at the time (£20 possibly ?? - though I'm certain that my long-term friend, and constant travelling companion at that time.. Kyp 'The Faith' Highbury, could confirm the 'exact' figure !! he having a fantastic memory for those types of facts). Yep.. that was my copy - until selling up in the early 80's. Can't remember where it went exactly - but wouldn't be suprised if it was another 45 that 'Mr Destiny Records' ripped me off for !! (Along with the likes of Lester Tipton; Sam Williams; plus my '1 of 3' - at the time - Magnetics 'Lady In Green'.. to name but a few !!) I still have my list of items (with respective individual 'achieved' sale prices ), from that time, that sold through (or to) Destiny Records (List) so could probably confirm if it did actually 'move' to Nottingham. Certainly not heard ANYTHING, whatsoever, since that time as to it's potential whereabouts - or movements. Food for thought.. innit !?! - 'Where Are they Now'.. ?? Back to the 'remainder' copies of the 45 - again, the individual from Staffs, relayed the tale of his meetings, with the 'Owner', during one visit Stateside - and the discovery's he made through resulting conversation & questions/answers. Not JUST about any one particular release from the stable, either !! Uh uh. Nope.. the ENTIRE CATALOGUE !! I don't mean that to say that the 'entire output' is not original 60's. That is not even an issue with most of the releases. I refer more about the 'availability' of copies of individual 45's from the long, long, list of 'desireables' included within their extensive catalogue. Am I the only one to remember (any of) these 'stories', 'rumours' etc. ?? Surely not. Have I 'rung any bells' for anyone out there ?? Unlocked a memory file that's been 'stashed' away, perhaps ?? No ?? Now - 'I'M' not saying (either way) that the K Gamble 45's 'Are' - or 'Are Not' - 'pucker', 'kosher', 'authentic' or 'real' etc. But, what I would like to do - is remind people of another (relevant) 'Scenario'.. About records that (still !!) sell, as 'originals' (to 'respected' & 'knowledgeable' collectors & DJ's, too), when in actual fact they are boots/counterfeits. Some - produced that long ago (and not all in the UK) that they have long been forgotten. (Or, as is quite easily the case these days, some people are not aware of in the first place - we aren't ALL from the same 'era'. There are a LOT of much younger 'regular' attendees on the current scene) Now, THAT is a fact - SO.. !?! FOOD FOR THOUGHT ?? Anyone ?? Fingers.. Flippin' 'eck fingers. Can you print that all in one font and one colour? I can't even start to read it without my brain leaking Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mach Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 just taken me an hour and ten minutes to find mine.. i new i had one in there... but it, too is a boot.. still nice to hear again after all these years...,remember having a kip on the front of the stage at wigan at the back of one of the speakers, when this came on with the " CLUNKING!!!" intro ... ..sure mr dj man, whacked it up on purpose ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Mmm.. that 'INFAMOUS' Jamie/Guyden set-up !! AND that particular 45 of Kenny Gamble's (very highly rated tune, personally) 'The JOKE'S On You' - Mmm.. Am I the only one on SS with distinctive & ever-engraved memories of the (mixture, of..) 'rumours', 'suppositions', & 'facts' relayed over the years (decades, now) concerning, firstly, the said J/G stable (that has produced countless gems to sate our passions, here, in the uk since the 60's) including 'tales' concerning 'face to face' dealings with the 'Principal' of the operation ?? Secondly.. the validity (as a genuine 60's original) of ANY copies of the Mr Gamble 45 - EXCEPT !! for a SINGLE - solitary.. 'TEST PRESSING' (the label owner confirming the originality of the said 'test' as the 'only' authentic 60's recording of 'TJOY' in vinyl format - during a 'face to face' with a certain UK based individual). Details (that I, personally, have derived) concerning this fact - & some others (after first hearing a 'rumour' in the late 70's) has come from long-standing & highly respected individuals (some, even, classed as 'Authorities'.. & 'Household Names'.. amongst the soul fraternity) and over a period of decades. too. With the main 'facts' confirmed by one particular (Staff's based & 'Top', 'TOP') individual, an infinite 'mine of knowledge', with 'years' spent in tracking down Artist(s)/Producers etc. With clever foresight - creating audio cassette tapes (transcripts) of most of his successful meetings & interviews with the numerous great soul music purveyors he encountered as a 'record' for prosperity to be shared (ideally) amongst the far spread 'disciples of soul', around all the lands. Ultimately, 'placing' another identified 'piece' of the gigantic 'puzzle' which surrounds our beloved tunes - with ideal potential for 'individual' publications of 'The Stories', discovered from these iconic figures.. People SO important a part of our wondrous 'Rare Soul Music' scene. The Test Pressing came via John Anderson of Soul Bowl. It wasn't 'fortunes' to purchase - but not too far short of a weeks wages at the time (£20 possibly ?? - though I'm certain that my long-term friend, and constant travelling companion at that time.. Kyp 'The Faith' Highbury, could confirm the 'exact' figure !! he having a fantastic memory for those types of facts). Yep.. that was my copy - until selling up in the early 80's. Can't remember where it went exactly - but wouldn't be suprised if it was another 45 that 'Mr Destiny Records' ripped me off for !! (Along with the likes of Lester Tipton; Sam Williams; plus my '1 of 3' - at the time - Magnetics 'Lady In Green'.. to name but a few !!) I still have my list of items (with respective individual 'achieved' sale prices ), from that time, that sold through (or to) Destiny Records (List) so could probably confirm if it did actually 'move' to Nottingham. Certainly not heard ANYTHING, whatsoever, since that time as to it's potential whereabouts - or movements. Food for thought.. innit !?! - 'Where Are they Now'.. ?? Back to the 'remainder' copies of the 45 - again, the individual from Staffs, relayed the tale of his meetings, with the 'Owner', during one visit Stateside - and the discovery's he made through resulting conversation & questions/answers. Not JUST about any one particular release from the stable, either !! Uh uh. Nope.. the ENTIRE CATALOGUE !! I don't mean that to say that the 'entire output' is not original 60's. That is not even an issue with most of the releases. I refer more about the 'availability' of copies of individual 45's from the long, long, list of 'desireables' included within their extensive catalogue. Am I the only one to remember (any of) these 'stories', 'rumours' etc. ?? Surely not. Have I 'rung any bells' for anyone out there ?? Unlocked a memory file that's been 'stashed' away, perhaps ?? No ?? Now - 'I'M' not saying (either way) that the K Gamble 45's 'Are' - or 'Are Not' - 'pucker', 'kosher', 'authentic' or 'real' etc. But, what I would like to do - is remind people of another (relevant) 'Scenario'.. About records that (still !!) sell, as 'originals' (to 'respected' & 'knowledgeable' collectors & DJ's, too), when in actual fact they are boots/counterfeits. Some - produced that long ago (and not all in the UK) that they have long been forgotten. (Or, as is quite easily the case these days, some people are not aware of in the first place - we aren't ALL from the same 'era'. There are a LOT of much younger 'regular' attendees on the current scene) Now, THAT is a fact - SO.. !?! FOOD FOR THOUGHT ?? Anyone ?? Fingers.. You're not thinking of "Chains of love" are you? I've had TJOY twice now. Once a week or so after Richard spun it at Wigan and two guys came into the record bar at around 3am with a couple of boxes of 45s they'd found in the USA. It was £2. And the copy I have now which came out of a promo load in Asheville,N.C. Neither instance suggests those copies were available due to some dodgy rip-off involving Northern demand. They're legit IMO ROD Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I had an issue with a Radio stations stamp, not implying it was promotional, but inferring ownership, "WJKO" or something. I wish I had owned a digital camera when I sold up! To the best of my knowledge there weren't any demos known back then. As for one of the "worst ever sounds" - I'm a little mystified by that.... Regards to all, RB Think that was the issue on the cover of Soul Source mag 78/79? I'd have to check. One of the worst sounds ever? Don't think so, top tune. Always a bit suspect when people say that. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) That's just the demo mate, this what you want..... Mine is for sale by the way. Edited February 2, 2009 by quinvy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Mine is for sale by the way. Got one, had to be one of the first on the wants list after i got back into it. The label photocopy of the issue on front cover of #8 of Soul Source had W100 on it. Joe Dunlop had a white test pressing at Prestatyn last year. £600 or £700. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It was £50 John, least thats what you told me at the time. Right with you on this one. Pretty certain the first copies to emerge were WHITE TEST PRESSINGS! There were certainly those nasty styrene pressings in about 79/80. Regarding 60's original labelled demos and issues... don't know, they certainly weren't around right at the start though. A lot of those label owners/ artists don't even know what was issued half the time. Even their own stuff. Just 'cause there wern't many around in the late 70's don't mean owt. Look at the Darrell Banks's on Grey Revilot's, and the Carl Carlton's on GW issues, never saw them in the 70's did you? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Mmm.. that 'INFAMOUS' Jamie/Guyden set-up !! AND that particular 45 of Kenny Gamble's (very highly rated tune, personally) 'The JOKE'S On You' - Mmm.. Am I the only one on SS with distinctive & ever-engraved memories of the (mixture, of..) 'rumours', 'suppositions', & 'facts' relayed over the years (decades, now) concerning, firstly, the said J/G stable (that has produced countless gems to sate our passions, here, in the uk since the 60's) including 'tales' concerning 'face to face' dealings with the 'Principal' of the operation ?? Secondly.. the validity (as a genuine 60's original) of ANY copies of the Mr Gamble 45 - EXCEPT !! for a SINGLE - solitary.. 'TEST PRESSING' (the label owner confirming the originality of the said 'test' as the 'only' authentic 60's recording of 'TJOY' in vinyl format - during a 'face to face' with a certain UK based individual). Details (that I, personally, have derived) concerning this fact - & some others (after first hearing a 'rumour' in the late 70's) has come from long-standing & highly respected individuals (some, even, classed as 'Authorities'.. & 'Household Names'.. amongst the soul fraternity) and over a period of decades. too. With the main 'facts' confirmed by one particular (Staff's based & 'Top', 'TOP') individual, an infinite 'mine of knowledge', with 'years' spent in tracking down Artist(s)/Producers etc. With clever foresight - creating audio cassette tapes (transcripts) of most of his successful meetings & interviews with the numerous great soul music purveyors he encountered as a 'record' for prosperity to be shared (ideally) amongst the far spread 'disciples of soul', around all the lands. Ultimately, 'placing' another identified 'piece' of the gigantic 'puzzle' which surrounds our beloved tunes - with ideal potential for 'individual' publications of 'The Stories', discovered from these iconic figures.. People SO important a part of our wondrous 'Rare Soul Music' scene. The Test Pressing came via John Anderson of Soul Bowl. It wasn't 'fortunes' to purchase - but not too far short of a weeks wages at the time (£20 possibly ?? - though I'm certain that my long-term friend, and constant travelling companion at that time.. Kyp 'The Faith' Highbury, could confirm the 'exact' figure !! he having a fantastic memory for those types of facts). Yep.. that was my copy - until selling up in the early 80's. Can't remember where it went exactly - but wouldn't be suprised if it was another 45 that 'Mr Destiny Records' ripped me off for !! (Along with the likes of Lester Tipton; Sam Williams; plus my '1 of 3' - at the time - Magnetics 'Lady In Green'.. to name but a few !!) I still have my list of items (with respective individual 'achieved' sale prices ), from that time, that sold through (or to) Destiny Records (List) so could probably confirm if it did actually 'move' to Nottingham. Certainly not heard ANYTHING, whatsoever, since that time as to it's potential whereabouts - or movements. Food for thought.. innit !?! - 'Where Are they Now'.. ?? Back to the 'remainder' copies of the 45 - again, the individual from Staffs, relayed the tale of his meetings, with the 'Owner', during one visit Stateside - and the discovery's he made through resulting conversation & questions/answers. Not JUST about any one particular release from the stable, either !! Uh uh. Nope.. the ENTIRE CATALOGUE !! I don't mean that to say that the 'entire output' is not original 60's. That is not even an issue with most of the releases. I refer more about the 'availability' of copies of individual 45's from the long, long, list of 'desireables' included within their extensive catalogue. Am I the only one to remember (any of) these 'stories', 'rumours' etc. ?? Surely not. Have I 'rung any bells' for anyone out there ?? Unlocked a memory file that's been 'stashed' away, perhaps ?? No ?? Now - 'I'M' not saying (either way) that the K Gamble 45's 'Are' - or 'Are Not' - 'pucker', 'kosher', 'authentic' or 'real' etc. But, what I would like to do - is remind people of another (relevant) 'Scenario'.. About records that (still !!) sell, as 'originals' (to 'respected' & 'knowledgeable' collectors & DJ's, too), when in actual fact they are boots/counterfeits. Some - produced that long ago (and not all in the UK) that they have long been forgotten. (Or, as is quite easily the case these days, some people are not aware of in the first place - we aren't ALL from the same 'era'. There are a LOT of much younger 'regular' attendees on the current scene) Now, THAT is a fact - SO.. !?! FOOD FOR THOUGHT ?? Anyone ?? Fingers.. You're not thinking of "Chains of love" are you? ROD Anyone know how rare "Chains Of Love" / "Keep On Smiling" is, can't really be just a test press can it ?? Cheers Mick Holdsworth https://northern-soul-records.com https://motownsound.co.uk Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pow wow mik Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) This is a bit off topic, but it's always mystified me why this tune is rated, I've always thought it one of the worst sounds I ever heard on northern scene. Kenny Gamble is one of my all time heroes and I know it's all a matter of taste but...... woah, woah, woah, woah,... woah,........ woah, ............. woah,........................ woah,................................ woah....worst sounds ever?! Edited February 5, 2009 by mik parry Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest SoulRenaissance Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 woah, woah, woah, woah,... woah,........ woah, ............. woah,........................ woah,................................ woah....worst sounds ever?! Not sure on the "Chains of love", but pretty rare. Only on test press. An excellent version by the Drifters. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Question guys;-) this one that I currently own comes from a 60s stock and is definitly original - Ive checked matrix numbers etc but seems to be styrene? Any clues? Cheers D Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Question guys;-) this one that I currently own comes from a 60s stock and is definitly original - Ive checked matrix numbers etc but seems to be styrene? Any clues? Cheers D If it's styrene, what's in the run off? Any delta number, or is it a F/W pressing? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 thanks Pete A-side matrix informationare A-KGA-5 & A-KGA-6 VIRTUE on the 2 sides Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 thanks Pete A-side matrix informationare A-KGA-5 & A-KGA-6 VIRTUE on the 2 sides You can tell just by looking at that, it's real alright. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Think so and its from a 60s stock for sure but been told the original was vinyl.. That why Ive asked... ;-) Edited February 24, 2014 by Damien Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Think so and its from a 60s stock for sure but been told the original was vinyl.. That why Ive asked... ;-) Well they probably did several of the releases on both, I've had Barbara Mason 45's on both... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I guess so yes Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Wow ! I've never seen it on original styrene. You learn summat every day. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dean Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Don't think this sold on eBay tonight https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/121280261866?index=8&nav=WATCHING&nid=83639207178 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dean Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The above post may not present right as am working from my phone . There was an issue on that appeared ok for £850? Didn't think too bad given current prices Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Whenever I see a label that has print that "breaks up" (not solid), I am leery of it, and suspect a boot. That's what happens when the label is photocopied. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Dean this was my copy on Evilbay... Definitly not a boot as does not look photocopied at all + comes from a 60s Us stock amongst plenty of other original 45s... Just wondered about the vinyl / styrene thing... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) That doesn't look like a styrene record. If you post a photo of the record outside of its sleeve, showing the edges of the label, someone on here can tell you for definite if it's vinyl or styrene. Edited February 25, 2014 by Sebastian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) That doesn't look like a styrene record. If you post a photo of the record outside of its sleeve, showing the edges of the label, someone on here can tell you for definite if it's vinyl or styrene. Just bend it a little....if it breaks it`s probably styrene Edited February 25, 2014 by Guest Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Here we are ;-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Here we are ;-) That's vinyl. The label is moulded into the plastic (i.e. there is no "edge" of the label where you could - if you wanted to - put your nail and try to peel it off). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah 100% vinyl. Still 100% real. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Damien Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks for your help guys , Now I've learned somethin' .. ;-) Thought it might have been styrene as it was really not heavy .. Same as this Majestics on Linda that I got from the same collection .. Cheers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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