Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Records that are oldies but are not really "northern soul" in the traditional sense of the word. For example: Case Of Thyme - Manifesto The Crow - Autumn Of Your Tomorrow Seventh Wonder - Captain Of My Ship Willie J & Co - Boogie With Your Baby Frankie Crocker - Ton Of Dynamite Get the idea? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
billb Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Black Nasty - Cut Your Motor Off Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Black Nasty - Cut Your Motor Off Nice one Bill, Levine spin wasn't it? How about: Rimshots - Do What You Feel. Edited March 25, 2009 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Isn't this just a list of tunes played at Cleethorpes? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Isn't this just a list of tunes played at Cleethorpes? YES! Destination unknown - delrays inc (is that right?) Sensitive Mind - General Assembly Trip - Dave Mitchel & the Screamers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Isn't this just a list of tunes played at Cleethorpes? Ok, how about Ellipsis - People? Is that an oldie these days? It's certainly twisted... Come on 'Zilla, you must have a few... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 1-20 Connection " Love is our destiny" Jimmy Mayes " Social Security " Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Ok, how about Ellipsis - People? Is that an oldie these days? It's certainly twisted... Come on 'Zilla, you must have a few... I think it's too subjective. I've argued for years that Roscoe & Friends- Broadway Sissy is out and out funk, but lots of people can't see it. And fair enough to 'em too. You could argue that any new release played from the disco age isn't really Northern Soul. Or you can argue that it is by virtue of being played in the clubs. Mitch Ryder was a pretty wild Rock n Roll act but his records were accepted early on. Then of course there's the Human Beinz: first of the garage tunes to played? The instrumental to "six o'clock" booted as Supertime is deffo an easy listening cut. Lot's of the UK covers played by Minshull etc are beat tunes, as are some of the UK originals like John Andrews (fantastic) and John Drevars (dire). Did I mention Gordon's Gin? How about this for a bit of heavy rock then? My contender for worst tune played too, although as it's on youtube some nutcase obviously likes it "> Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Lynne Randell Stranger Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Falbala, I've said it before and I'll say it again 'What the f**k was that all about? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Isn't this just a list of tunes played at Cleethorpes? Mel, Mel, Mel, look at this blasphemy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Re the "Cleethorpes plays" . These were all accepted as "Northern Soul" at the time. Different to the sixties stuff yes, but played at ALL the big venues, and most of them very popular. (Obviously, not everyone was enamoured ) Why is it that nowadays its suggested that these were somehow not "Northern". And for what purpose ? A list of the plays that came to the fore when the prevailing "fashion" for these funkier sounds died off for a while would be of more relevance imo. Lorraine Silver, Muriel Day, Bobby Goldsboro etc etc etc. Some djs playlists were packed with poor white Pop that many bought and danced too. Don't mean to hijack your thread James, but I don't really see your point, although I could of course be missing it entirely. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 "Zorba" anyone? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Records that are oldies but are not really "northern soul" in the traditional sense of the word. For example: Case Of Thyme - Manifesto The Crow - Autumn Of Your Tomorrow Seventh Wonder - Captain Of My Ship Willie J & Co - Boogie With Your Baby Frankie Crocker - Ton Of Dynamite Get the idea? No I dont get it at all James All of the above are Northern soul Oldies whether you liked them or not! If these werent Northern soul oldies what do you think is "The Snake" ? How long you been on this scene mate or are you just having a senior moment Next you will be saying the following are not Northern soul oldies! Sam Ambrose- theyll be coming Baltimore & Ohio Band - Condition Red ,Checkeboard Square- Double Cookin ETC ETc Etc Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Re the "Cleethorpes plays" . These were all accepted as "Northern Soul" at the time. Different to the sixties stuff yes, but played at ALL the big venues, and most of them very popular. (Obviously, not everyone was enamoured ) Why is it that nowadays its suggested that these were somehow not "Northern". And for what purpose ? A list of the plays that came to the fore when the prevailing "fashion" for these funkier sounds died off for a while would be of more relevance imo. Lorraine Silver, Muriel Day, Bobby Goldsboro etc etc etc. Some djs playlists were packed with poor white Pop that many bought and danced too. Don't mean to hijack your thread James, but I don't really see your point, although I could of course be missing it entirely. You know how I feel about 70's soul in the main but these Cleethorpes records are amongst the best records ever played and I wish there'd be a revival in that sort of record...imagine Todays People being the UK's number 1 sound again..High Voltage...Delrays...Liberty...Hot Line...East Coast Connection...brilliant, all of them, and 100% Northern Soul too...great days Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Garethx Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Steve raises a very good point. Up until, I'd say, the early 90s a wide variety of styles constituted Northern Soul. At that point I think there was a concerted effort on the part of the few 'newies' jocks left to get back to basics and try to programme predominently 60s uptempo soul records with a straightforward 4/4 beat. But the great clubs of the classic era, from the Wheel through the Torch, Mecca, Wigan, Cleethorpes and Stafford all found room for off-the-wall dance music of many different flavours. If you were to pick a record which summed up the sound of each of these clubs someone else could equally pick something completely and utterly different: Don Garner's Cheating Kind was a Mecca record, but so was Snoopy Dean. Chrysler & The Monarchs was a Stafford record, but equally Mel Stewart "No Work No Pay No Eat" was too (I dug this out the other day: would never get played anywhere now, I guess, but still sounds interesting. Rare too, not that it should matter.) Levine maintains that Northern Soul was always a specific generic style of music (4/4 rhythm, soaring strings, predictable harmonic structure, 'lifestlye' lyrics) a revisionist manifesto to fit in with the kind of music he makes now. Such revisionism is completely ludicrous. Edited March 25, 2009 by garethx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Nice one Bill, Levine spin wasn't it? How about: Rimshots - Do What You Feel. Ive just realised James - You are only 32 so you wouldnt have a clue about the 70s and what made these tracks popular northern soul oldies. Its like saying I understand the First world war when I wasnt there! I can appreciate what was happening but as I didnt experience it I have a different view about it. I am applying the same theory to you mate on not experiencing these records at the time! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 You know how I feel about 70's soul in the main but these Cleethorpes records are amongst the best records ever played and I wish there'd be a revival in that sort of record...imagine Todays People being the UK's number 1 sound again..High Voltage...Delrays...Liberty...Hot Line...East Coast Connection...brilliant, all of them, and 100% Northern Soul too...great days Totally Agree Pete - Wonderful sounds and fantastic days. Had some frends at my Flat (The Gasher) and his missus Linda and played these records of that CD Linda couldnt believe they were played on the scene! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 You know how I feel about 70's soul in the main but these Cleethorpes records are amongst the best records ever played and I wish there'd be a revival in that sort of record...imagine Todays People being the UK's number 1 sound again..High Voltage...Delrays...Liberty...Hot Line...East Coast Connection...brilliant, all of them, and 100% Northern Soul too...great days I agree, and you've always said the same thing about this "70's Northern" ie the uptempo stuff. as Gareth says, theres a lot of rubbish written about that time in the 70's generally by people who want to downplay the importance at that type of sound at the time and its continuing influence. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Big Hurt - Susan Farrah Funky Nassau - Beginning Of The end Delerium - Francine McGee Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) You know how I feel about 70's soul in the main but these Cleethorpes records are amongst the best records ever played and I wish there'd be a revival in that sort of record...imagine Todays People being the UK's number 1 sound again..High Voltage...Delrays...Liberty...Hot Line...East Coast Connection...brilliant, all of them, and 100% Northern Soul too...great days Gotta agree. IMO all those you list and in the opening post are far more Northern Soul than some of the utter pop shite that's also as termed Northern Soul ---- Muriel Day Judy Street Keith Bobby Goldsboro Gary Lewis etc etc As they were all played on the scene then I suppose they all come under that umbrella unfortunately. Edited March 25, 2009 by Dave Turner Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Boogie Man Orchestra - Lady lady lady (inst) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Matt Male Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Records that are oldies but are not really "northern soul" in the traditional sense of the word. For example: Case Of Thyme - Manifesto The Crow - Autumn Of Your Tomorrow Seventh Wonder - Captain Of My Ship Willie J & Co - Boogie With Your Baby Frankie Crocker - Ton Of Dynamite Get the idea? I have to agree with Pete and others, they are definately traditional and classic northern soul. 100% northern soul. Edited March 25, 2009 by Matt Male Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Prince George - Wrong Crowd Skullsnaps - I'm your pimp Moments - I've got the need Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Prince George - Wrong Crowd Skullsnaps - I'm your pimp Moments - I've got the need Skullsnaps - My Hang Up Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) No I dont get it at all James All of the above are Northern soul Oldies whether you liked them or not! If these werent Northern soul oldies what do you think is "The Snake" ? How long you been on this scene mate or are you just having a senior moment Next you will be saying the following are not Northern soul oldies! Sam Ambrose- theyll be coming Baltimore & Ohio Band - Condition Red ,Checkeboard Square- Double Cookin ETC ETc Etc Hey Ernie, there is no point, it's just a thread about non archetypal 'northern soul'. Keep the "Twisted Oldies" coming folk, some crackers in here, and some shitters Edited March 25, 2009 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I have to agree with Pete and others, they are definately traditional and classic northern soul. 100% northern soul. YEP!! Absolutely! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Prince George - Wrong Crowd Skullsnaps - I'm your pimp Moments - I've got the need Played Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp in the warm up at the last Soul Rev'. Wrong thread... I've not heard that Prince George before. That's pretty twisted, anyone got a copy for sale? Where was that played? Edited March 25, 2009 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hey Ernie, there is no point, it's just a thread about non archetypal 'northern soul'. Keep the "Twisted Oldies" coming folk, some crackers in here, and some shitters James, you refer to a Case of Thyme , to that you could add Rosemary What Happened and possibly the Herbs on Smoke. All probably played by a well known DJ at the time Basil. Obviously later discoveries such as Sage and the Bay Brothers would have been played by people djing during that era, such as Mace. That shallot. On topic, although it is Northern, King Errison, "Zola" Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Played Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp in the warm up at the last Soul Rev'. Wrong thread... I've not heard that Prince George before. That's pretty twisted Where was that played? Mecca , Cleethorpes, Wigan, Samanthas - most places although not as big as say "I'm Your Pimp" which was a huge record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 That shallot. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 some of the utter pop shite that's also as termed Northern Soul ---- Judy Street Keith Bobby Goldsboro Gary Lewis Sorry, none of the above of those are 'utter pop shite'. They're all actually well crafted, very very good pop records. You may not like them as 'Northern Soul', but Gary Lewis and Keith especially are superb examples of mid 60s American Pop and are worthy of ownership by anyone who collects that kind of music as well as soul (as I do). There are plenty of genuine 'soul' records that the scene has embraced down the years that qualify for the "Utter Shite" category, as recorded works, before these do. Over to you, Pete... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Undisputed Truth - You + Me ? Not as twisted as some, but a real disco swerve ball. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) James, you refer to a Case of Thyme , to that you could add Rosemary What Happened and possibly the Herbs on Smoke. All probably played by a well known DJ at the time Basil. Obviously later discoveries such as Sage and the Bay Brothers would have been played by people djing during that era, such as Mace. That shallot. On topic, although it is Northern, King Errison, "Zola" That Rosemary track is really twisted, the kiddies singing in the back ground is like some sort of prog rock experiment. Pink Floyd like? Twisted indeed. Was it really played out in clubs? Although not as twisted as the one with the 80s boy band backing beat on youtube Edited March 25, 2009 by James Trouble Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SteveM Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 That Rosemary track is really twisted, the kiddies singing in the back ground is like some sort of prog rock experiment. Pink Floyd like? Twisted indeed. Was it really played out in clubs? Although not as twisted as the one with the 80s boy band backing beat on youtube The film Rosemarys Baby had been released before Popcorn made it, and thats the theme. Initially I think it was the instrumental that got played. Again a big record James. I prefer the vocal, as I do to BoogieMan Orchestra and Sam Ambrose. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon M Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Jimmy Bo Horn " If you want my love" Deep South Band ? forgot the title Edited March 25, 2009 by Simon M Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Cleethorpes live tape https://planetrecords.podbean.com/2008/01/0...llnighter-1975/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ernie Andrews Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Played Skullsnaps - I'm Your Pimp in the warm up at the last Soul Rev'. Wrong thread... I've not heard that Prince George before. That's pretty twisted, anyone got a copy for sale? Where was that played? Prince george -In my Top 10 of all time - Played everywhere as far as I am aware Ive been after a copy since Dave Thorley had sold his copy Think its about £150 - Pretty rare Now heres atwisted one "Police story" or Theme from the Coloured man Suppose another unusual thing would be Brothers & Sisters - Dont let em tell you on Nickel Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Records that are oldies but are not really "northern soul" in the traditional sense of the word. For example: Case Of Thyme - Manifesto The Crow - Autumn Of Your Tomorrow Seventh Wonder - Captain Of My Ship Willie J & Co - Boogie With Your Baby Frankie Crocker - Ton Of Dynamite Get the idea? Biyo -Earth Wind & Fire Mal-Martin Stevens The Whole Thing -8th Avenue Band..........................(You ate it Ralph ) Fame- Grand Army Band Troublemaker-Roberta Kelly The Gig-Raw Soul Ha Cha Cha-Brass Construction Spirit-Third Point Crazy Changes-Luv Remember hearing all of these played in 76.It didn't seem at all odd at the time, in fact I remember most of these filling the floor.........Probably twisted by todays standards Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Biyo -Earth Wind & Fire Mal-Martin Stevens The Whole Thing -8th Avenue Band..........................(You ate it Ralph ) Fame- Grand Army Band Troublemaker-Roberta Kelly The Gig-Raw Soul Ha Cha Cha-Brass Construction Spirit-Third Point Crazy Changes-Luv Remember hearing all of these played in 76.It didn't seem at all odd at the time, in fact I remember most of these filling the floor.........Probably twisted by todays standards The Spirit track is sweet. When and where was that played? I didn't realise that was a northern oldie Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 That Rosemary track is really twisted, the kiddies singing in the back ground is like some sort of prog rock experiment. Pink Floyd like? Twisted indeed. Was it really played out in clubs? Although not as twisted as the one with the 80s boy band backing beat on youtube Cant believe you dont know Rosemary!! Its a f--king mega classic Norhern tune. Get a Wigan comp (or two) and catch up... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Paul-s Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Theme from the Coloured man ha! Now that is twisted as is Black power - James Coit and Theme From The Fantastic Plastic Flying Machine by Harry Betts (covered as Jealousy! ) Sensitive Mind - General Assembly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) James,why don't you re-read the Mecca thread that Mel did?. Loadsa non-Northern on there. btw.....is "Manifesto" nearly funk? You know my tips James......... "Summer in the Parks" - East Coast Connection (Instru of course) and Pat Lundi-"Party Music" Edited March 25, 2009 by KevH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Theme from the Coloured man ha! Now that is twisted as is Black power - James Coit and Theme From The Fantastic Plastic Flying Machine by Harry Betts (covered as Jealousy! ) Sensitive Mind - General Assembly Don't quite get why you're including Sensitive Mind - it's an out and out Northern stomper Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest martyn Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The Spirit track is sweet. When and where was that played? I didn't realise that was a northern oldie I heard it at St Ives early 76 ,belive it was played at Cleethorpes as well but can't comment personally as at that point in time I wasn't doing Clethorpes. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest James Trouble Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 James,why don't you re-read the Mecca thread that Mel did?. Loadsa non-Northern on there. btw.....is "Manifesto" nearly funk? You know my tips James......... "Summer in the Parks" - East Coast Connection (Instru of course) and Pat Lundi-"Party Music" Case Of Thyme is twisted, whatever you want to call it But yeah, nearly funk. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jimmy clitheroe Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 no second chance - the deadbeats Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Al Foster Band - 'Night Of The Wolf' Travis Wammack - 'Scratchy' Babe Ruth - 'Elusive' ......oh yeah! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) Case Of Thyme is twisted, whatever you want to call it But yeah, nearly funk. James,the Cat/Wheelies will be getting bored with all these recent oldies..........what about going back,,,,way back,,,back into time.....with.............. SCRATCHY - TRAVIS WAMMACK.............fookin demented. Damn you Val(edit) Edited March 25, 2009 by KevH Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Val (Chunky) Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 James,the Cat/Wheelies will be getting bored with all these recent oldies..........what about going back,,,,way back,,,back into time.....with.............. SCRATCHY - TRAVIS WAMMACK.............fookin demented. Damn you Val(edit) 'kin choon that was hey Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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