Chalky

I realise that Dave and am well aware of people writing for others and recording it themselves later. But i would have thought with Kenny being in a recording contract at the time for RCA he would have been more interested in recording his own material rather than writing for others? Maybe Ady can shed more light on it?

I don't doubt that and don't think for a minute it was unknown then. I did hear it got a brief play at the mecca but other than Keb I have seen no other mention of any other dj playing it. No one to my knowledge has ever got behind it until more recently.

The top and bottom of this is Spyder doesn't remember when he recorded this, he did say when he was about 17, it could have been quite easily 18 and just before he signed with MGM. He hasn't even bothered with his Northern tracks until this year so no reason to remember something that was not a hit for him and probably quickly forgotten. He sang none on his northern related tracks the two previous visits here, we were all seriously disappointed with his appearance last year. My guess is Spyder's recording came after hearing Carter's take and a 1966 release. What are the matrix details of the good time release, any clues to when it was pressed? Until we know for sure it is guess work and speculation and you would have to go with Kenny Carter laying this down first.

Soul Source is still the best particularly when it comes to information and is still my first port of call. Facebook has its uses and is probably better for promoting your event as you can get your promotion over to a larger group of people, many who have no interest in the collecting side of the scene. FB is more social but there are some great groups, Gethro's already stated and for me the Stafford one. Thanks to Mike and the mods for the great work they do.

Good luck at £40, more like 15/20 and would have thought a demo around 60?

I bet they have always been sold as originals with the seller unaware. Probably same price for boot and issue too.

Apparently on the boot the matrix is upside down. Just the issue as well I believe. I have an issue for sale and not had one sniff at it whilst it has been in my sales box.

How bad is the crack, hairline, all the way through from edge to edge?

It may have been released in 1966 but it was recorded/mastered in 1965 according to the matrix SPKM-5126.

From another forum page I was reading.... In 1963 another set of codes was introduced. 1st character (year recorded) P: 1963/R: 1964/S: 1965/T: 1966/U: 1967/W: 1968/X: 1969/Z: 1970 (I have the other codes up to 1991 but I can’t be bothered to type those in tonight. E-me if you need them.) 2nd character (label designation) A: Grunt/B: TMI/C: Camden/D: Neon/E: Educational/F: Wooden Nickel/G: Groove/H: Hugo & Luigi (1963-64), Chelsea (1972-73)/J: Children/K: Daybreak/L: Wheel/M: George Jones Musicor masters (1972-73)/N: Various Artists/Promotional/P: Popular/R: Red Seal/S: International/T: Gregar (1970-71) then Metromedia (1972-73)/V: Victrola/W: Country & Western/X: Chart/Y: Calendar (later renamed Kirshner)/Z: Colgems/1, 2: Readers’ Digest/3, 4: Custom (in-house disc mastering)/5: Custom (outside disc mastering) 3rd character (size & speed) A: master tape (also B, C)/K: 7" 45rpm/L: 7" 33rpm/P: 10" 33rpm/R: 12" 33prm 4th character (description) A: stereo EP/B: mono EP/M: mono/S: stereo/T: quadrophonic/1: New York City recording/2: Chicago recording (discontinued in 1973)/3: Hollywood recording/4: Nashville recording/5: outside recording/6: foreign recording (?)

The matrix I'm referring to though is for mastering not the time of release.

I'm going by the matrix on the left hand side on the scan you posted underneath the RCA 47-8841? His unissued one on RCA What's That On Your Finger according to the cd notes was early 1966.

Kenny Carter is 1965, the "s" at the beginning of the matrix defines this. S(1965 )P(either promo or pop?) K(45) M(mono)

Ed Cooper and Herman George only two I know of and the only two listed in R&B Indies?

It has had some spins, Kev Fev one if I remember giving it some spins. No serious turntable action though as I remember, used to get it more on tapes.

What Can A Ma Do was on a Beltone acetate.

It's definitely two different singers on the two releases and vocally the original is far superior.

Just the car park that is damaged according to what I've read today, the roof the worse hit.

Post 10 mate

He hasn't too me either Pete but I just found his comments a bit puzzling? I don't see where JM has said he had just discovered the other side of the 45 and to insinuate he doesn't know the nighter scene since Cleethorpes is ridiculous.

As Phil promotes Tim's auction and list he may have an ulterior motive with his comments? John has probably forgotten more than most of us know.

Where does he say he's just discovered the best side?

Butch has played it recently......

First track on this podcast..... https://www.soulunderground.co.uk/blog/files/a9f336cb9bb8f6bcc3836a8f8d64bbc9-6.html

Suspicion and Forever In My Heart would probably be in my top ten. It would be hard to find 100 Motown as good as 100 from the best of the rest. There are some brilliant records from the Motown stable but the rest some of the stuff is off the scale by comparison. Ric Tic, Wingate, Golden World etc aren't Motown either. They were competition run by rival label owners. Gordy simply bought them to put them out of business and cream off the talent he wanted. Who knows how great those label could have been if it wasn't for Gordy's dirty tricks.