Davekd

Co-incidence Wrighty, the over zeleous guy that the people I was with was also in Germany and also Ryanair. They were basically told in the hold or they don't go on the plane......a horrid choice. It was hilarious having put the bag to one side to go in the hold, one of the dj's concerned then went back and retrieved it while the official was checking someone else's carry on weight.....you couldn't make it up.

Ian I disagree. Playing CDs abroad? Honestly man, that's not what it's all about.

Anyway 100 records is more than enough for any DJ. Jees me and Sam did between us some 8 hours in the Asturias one weekend with two 100 count boxes (we made sure we didn't take duplicates and "borrowed" each others copies of records we both had so a bit of planning was needed to sift out duplicates which took about 30 minutes the night before we went). We only played about 2 tunes on both nights, by request, and still had a few unplayeds left for an afterparty......

If you can't pack a box with a 100 for a 1-2 hour set something's not quite right.

Never been taxed though have witnessed problems with security. Again Sam, some blokes started to go through his box post x-ray machine and were bending a Johnnie Mae Matthews to see whether it would 'snap' over the protestations of Sam "I'm a DJ, DEE JAY , records, Disques" etc. Meself and Ady lupton were told to move on out of the way....but it was all ok in the end.

I'd also avoid taking acetates as well.

Dave you'll love it!

Thanks Steve, only slightly panicing now, loaded my box already and will not doubt be unloading it and reloading it quite a few more times yet lol

Thanks again to everyone for the advise (Val got a few double siders put aside already!)

Cheers,

Dave

Thanks guys, put my mind at rest there, definately going for the carry on option - I've got a small spot at the Big Thing Weekender in Valencia, so original (Northern) vinyl only Ian and no danger of my records being worth 30K lol,

Managed to avoid Ryanair as well and going with Easyjet.

Thanks again.

Dave

I've been asked to DJ abroad for the first time and panicing about taking my records!

A friend of mine told me about a lightweight plastic 100 box he had bought, bunged into a sportsbag and straight through as hand luggage - trouble is it was at a do and I cant remember the name/details of the box.

I wondered if anyone has any advice/stories etc - probably only going to take 70 or so maximum.

Thanks,

Dave

I paid Des Parker 10 or 15 quid for one, maybe two years ago.

Dave

I would PM tim the mod on here - he has shedloads of top quality stuff

I think that maybe by Sun Sea and Soul people are hinting more in the direction of Soul in the Sun :-)

And I believe there is a Soul Curise now?

To be honest I'm not a big fan of hot weather so I wouldn't fancy a week in Tenerife listening to Soul every night but on the other hand I do keep meaning to go to a Spanish event... ..Movin on and the one in Valencia especially sound good! Edu, when is the best time to come when it isn't too hot for a lightweight like me who prefers not to remove her jacket

Valencia is in October this year, so shouldnt be too hot - I've been to this event a couple of times, lots of non-brits makes it all fresh and interesting, nice place, nice punters and nice people running it.

Dave

PM'd you mate

Dave

I get that they throw themselves into it as you say, but if they don't know that it's being played off vinyl are they not missing what many consider the backbone of the scene? Also, if they don't know the tunes they're dancing to are they at all worried that they're even at a northern soul event? If the scene is going to be restocked with 'the youth', surely some of the old ethics/etiquette has to be maintained if it's to remain the scene we all know?

Winnie

Thats very true Winnie - there seems to be a very prevelant kind of 'this week we'll go to hear some Northern Soul and next week we'll go to hear some Grunge' etc - the hard bit is to get them to come back. With all the variety of music available and lack of the old triablism I don't think the majority will ever become regualr attendee's of one type of event/music, more random visitors.

At my local night, we often get groups of youngsters who have a whale of a time, some almost constantly on the dancefloor, congradulate us on a brilliant night and then dont come back for 6 months or indeed never come back!

The hope is from these events is to properly capture the interest of one or two and as they get into the scene then all the cd/vinyl/original vinyl stuff will make sense to them.

I'd quite happily support youngsters putting on a night and hope, in time, they'll get the musical format right.

Cheers,

Dave

Do you think that the age of the D.J. is necessarily relevant to the scene they are playing to?

Des Parker

Des I've only DJ'd a few times to a younger crowd and, in fairness, it didnt deem to matter at all to them that I was an old git - the fact it was off vinyl didnt seem to register either and on original vinyl, was right over their heads lol

The good thing about the younger crowd is most of them seem determined to throw themselves into the music and have a good time, regardless of whether they know the tunes or not!

Dave

My Playlists,

Early Set

The Soul Sisters - A Thousand Mountains - Veep

Jackie Wilson - You Got Me Walking - Brunswick

Maxine Brown - One Step at a Time - Wand

Gene Chandler & Barbara Acklin - Will I Find Love - Brunswick

Willie Tee - Thank You John - Atlantic

Johnny & the Expressions - Shy Girl - Josie

Ronnie Walker - On and On - Impact

Five Stairsteps & Cubie - Little Young Lover - Curtom

Jimmy Thomas - Where there's a Will - Mirwood

The Companions - Be Yourself - General American

The Charades - Love of my Life - Okeh

Timmy Willis - Mr Soul Satisfaction - Veep

The Miracles - Heartbreak Road - Tamla

Later Set

Perigents - Let's Get into Something - Maltese

and The Echoes - Million Dollar Bill - Pulse

The Soul Sisters - Good Time Tonight - Sue

The Sweet Things - Im in a World of Trouble - Date

Isley Brothers - I Guess I'll Always Love You - Tamla

Mary Wells - You Lost the Sweetest Boy - Motown

Carolyn Cooke - I Don't Mind - RCA Victor

Patty & the Emblems - Music Makes Me Want to Dance - Herald

Martha Reeves - My Baby Loves Me - Gordy

Deon Jackson - Ooh Baby - Carla

Soul Brothers Six - I'll be Loving You - Atlantic

The Gospel Classics - Move Love That's What We Need - Checker

Ethics - Look at Me Now - Vent

Martha Jean Love - Dont Want You to Leave Me - ABC-Paramount

Joe Simon - I Got a Whole Lot of Lovin' - Sound Stage

Tommy Neal - Goin' to a Happening - Pameline

Little Rose Little - You've Got the Love - Roulette

Willie Tee - Walking Up a One Way Street - Atlantic

The Servicemen - I Need a Helping Hand - Patheway

Cheers,

Dave

Nice one, thanks

Dave

Picked up the Servicemen at a very decent price and talking over a couple of the others - thanks for the help guys.

Nothing on the Sandra King though, didnt think it was that rare?

Cheers,

Dave

try p.m.ing "soulsalmon" on here he had one in his sales box

Nice one, thanks

Dave

agree with mark, a more than reasonable price for the servicemen, a sleeping giant of a record that will have its day again

Yes I was well pleased to see such a great tune at a price I could afford, just didnt bid high enough!

If the Servicemen is going on Ebay for 60/70.00 why don't you buy one seems a very good price to me.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Yes, got sniped on one last week that went for 72.00 but as it's a birthday present I was trying to get one before the end of Jan, but if I can't, will keep an eye on e-bay.

Cheers,

Dave

Looking for a copy of the Servicemen 'I Need a Helping Hand' - going on e-bay for around 60 to 70 Quid at the moment.

Also interested in Sandra King 'Please Heart/Leave it to the Boys', The Metro's 'Since I Found My Baby', Sweet Things 'I'm in a World of Trouble' and Herbert Hunter 'I Was Born to Love You'

Don't need to be mint, but good enough for DJ'ing with.

Cheers,

Dave

This thread, though interesting, has made me laugh (but not in a good way)

I think quite a few people on this site might have forgotten what it's like to be a youngster (yes I have gathered that many of you are older than me).

There are a finite number of original vinyls to go around and the attitudes espoused on this thread and the "Northern Soul For The Uninitiated" thread and also the "Couldn't Believe My Eyes" thread on the current news forum are really rather bewildering and looked at together paint really quite a negative picture.

"Youth" today don't enjoy the same opportunities we had in terms of new music. Scenes are seized upon so quickly that the revolution that is musical expression is currently largely controlled by the labels - yes the Internet is slowly changing that, but in terms of physical product, air time etc. it's the big labels calling the shots.

To get "established" on this scene and seemingly to earn the respect of certain movers and shakers, you need to be buying rare OVO material often at premium prices. No reissues please. Definitely no new formats.

To be a DJ, unless you're a face you're considered a "no-hopers oops sorry wannabee DJ".

The Northern Soul Scene is promoted on here as the most friendly of scenes, yet in 30 years of working around music, I've never experienced such an attitude. It's really rather incredible.

I honestly believe that this scene has a lot to offer, but it's hard to break into because despite the talk, it's intensely snobby and if you want to buy records, comparatively expensive. As a youth getting started, who is going to commit their hard earned on records to play only to find, it's the wrong label, the wrong issue, the wrong catalogue number, despite sounding identical from the dance floor? If the fans were supporting the artists with the cash they part with, I'd have some semblance of sympathy, but the money goes straight in the pockets of dealers (unlike reissues or CDs which actually create money for the people we purport to love) and as records become increasingly rare the situation will become worse.

Sure, there's a massive thrill when you secure your first £100+ record, but it's elitist value.

The mod/scooterist thing confuses me. If the Northern Soul scene is the most famous underground scene there's ever been, then surely the way that most folk get into it is through more mainstream means (which I reckon both of those scenes provide). Who gives a monkey's if the mods/scooterists have "never broken a record" or they like a smaller pool of standards, or other types of music, the fact is they are potentially bringing new people into the scene. People can't just arrive on the scene, they're expected to "know their stuff", or at least that's how it seems.

Sorry for the extended rambling but at 46 I'm really becoming increasingly uncertain again as to what people want from this scene. If the music is too well known but it attracts people it gets caned, if people don't know it already why bother trying to get them interested, just cane them for not knowing in their 20s what it's taken us 30+ years to begin to get a handle on. If people are bringing old tunes to new people on reissues or boots, cane it. In fact, if it hasn't been vetted and had a seal of approval by certain scensters it seems to me that a caning is inevitable for them.

Sorry if that seems harsh, it isn't meant to and by no means applies to the majority of people on the scene or even on this board. The fact is that for the scene to continue to thrive after we're gone it needs not to be less elitist in its aspirations, but more open in its outlook.

Peace.

Blimey mate, you've stuck your head into the lion's Den here!

I think the lads have pretty much covered the differnce in the scooterist and Northern Soul scenes and won't get into debating some of your other points but would like to say only getting involved in Northern Soul myself 5 or 6 years ago, don't be put off by peoples strong views on original vinyl - that is at the heart of this scene and people quite rightly feel very strongly about the issue and there are some pationate people on here ( the ones who can't post about any subject whatsover without mentioning people DJ'ing for thier mates or to get a spot always make me laugh), but when out and about I have found almost everyone I've met, spoken to including promoters, DJ's, rare vinyl collectors, chin strokers etc to be the most friendliest and helpful people you could want to meet. Most are willing to share thier knowledge, passions, feelings about music quite freely and have certainly given me real help in finding my feet and loving the scene.

I have never found that 'movers and shakers' influence the scene in London (which is where I mainly stick to) at all - it's about the music but also, I would guess, being respectful to what's gone before and what's happening now and I suppose also, getting out and about and learning the ropes.

I like to think you get accepted as a DJ by the quality of your sets, do your tunes compliment a venue/crowd etc rather than how expensive they are or who you know. Some venues are solely for the rare/expensive tunes but many others aren't so I wouldnt worry about cost.

Rambled a bit myself but would reiterate that I feel privilaged to be involved in the scene albeit in a small way mostly as a punter attending 2 or 3 nights a month and the majority of people involved are top class.

So stay with it but get involved.

Dave

It's been played on & off & mentioned in despatches over the last few years. I have played it a few times at Solid Hit over the years Dave but possibly early on before you get there. Great record I think though not everyone agrees. Grab it mate cause it doesn't turn up that often

Thanks Dave, tune should be on its way as I type!

I think I might have heard it at Solid Hit to be fair, but it sticks in my mind from Dani Hernandez's set at Valencia earlier in the year.

I am looking forward to giving it a spin, I must say.

Cheers,

Dave

selling mine for £60 now if your intersted. just thought i'd let you know

I'll PM you Paul

Corinne Drewery from Swing Out Sister was an avid soul fan.

She still is Simsy and DJ'd for us a few years back - saw her at the Blackpool weekender the following year after that as well.

Corrine.bmp

ONE ON EBAY NOW I TIHNK AT OVER 100 DOLLARS , WOZ:ph34r:

Thanks for that, not sure how I missed that.

Starting price $119.77 for some bizzare reason but no bidders yet, never thought it was worth that.

Cheers,

Dave

Hi Dave,

Not sure if there's a demand for this again but the last couple on ebay topped out at $140-$150

Atb

Paul

Blimey, thanks Paul bit more than I was expecting but I'll keep looking.

Cheers,

Dave

I know it's fairly common, but I have a compulsion to own one asap, if anyone has one?

Not sure on value, but saw a couple on here last year on the £25/30 mark?

Doesnt need to be mint, just original and ok for DJ'ing

Thanks,

Dave

My playlists from the Northern Room at Hipshaker on Sunday

Early set

Martha Reeves - My baby loves me - Gordy

Johnny &the Expressions - Shy Girl - Josie

Willie Tee - Thank You John - Atlantic

Barbara West - Congradulations Baby - Ronn

Deon Jackson - Ooh Baby - Carla

David 'King' Thomas - Investigate - Jetstream

The Companions - Be Yourself - Central American

Shades of Blue - Oh How Happy - Impact

The Wonderettes - I Feel Strange - Ruby

Carolyn Cooke - I Don't Mind - RCA Victor

The Young Folk - Lonely Girl - Mar-v-lus

Betty Lavette - I'm Just a Fool for You - Calla

Later set

Ann Sexton - You've Been Gone too Long - Seventy Seven

Garland Green - Ain't that Good Enough - Revue

Mary Love - You Turned my Bitter into Sweet - Modern

The Blues Groove - I Believe in You - Verve

The Gospel Classics - More Love, That's What we Want - Checker

Darrow Fletcher - The Pain Gets a Little Deeper - Groovy

Joe Simon - I Got a Whole Lot of Lovin' - Sound Stage

The Invitations - What's wrong with me Baby? - Dynovoice

Martha Star - No Part Time Love for Me - Thelma

Bobby Sheen - Dr Love - Capitol

Frankie & the Classicals - What Shall I Do - Calla

Good question and a good answer hear, I think,

IMHO I would guess that the Northern punters at the IOW would have a "less serious" head on. I'm not on the scooter scene but would imagine that with a different mix of people and different DJs etc you would act accordingly.

Regards

Mark C

I saw a number of people at Hipshaker that I recognised from more 'rarified' soul do's, dancing away to Bearsy's 'cheese' and having a whale of a time (and joined in myself) and would guess it's the whole weekend/holiday/loads of mates kind of thing that engenders the less serious heads. I dont go to many nighters but guess you get a similar buzz?

I cant talk for other scooter events, but I love the Isle of Wight which I guess is slightly different from the mainstream in that there are loads of events scattered around Ryde offering loads of choice, loads of different places to visit etc.

I've only been to places like Hipshaker and the Crown and always found the crowds to be as friendly as you would expect at a Northern do, complete with good dancefloor etticette (apologies for spelling) and generally up for a good time. No real sign of the combats and tatty clothes brigades who come across more leary.

The girl I travelled down with was black and didnt once feel uncomfortable or threatened at Hipshaker or anywhere else we went (not to say they aren't still lurking down there somewhere).

I'm going to post my playlist on the playlist page in a moment, so you can make up your own minds (I know there is a full cheese quota in there lol) but my tunes seemed to be well received and kept people on the dancefloor.

Our guest DJ Ian Stebbings played a much rarer set which again was well received.

To sum up, the IOW rally can be a fun place to go, enjoy and let yourself go, but if you only want to hear rare or upfront northern, don't go.

Bearsey mate, I'm shocked to hear that happened to you at the Crown especially as there seemed to be alot of negative publicity against other well known event, trumpeting the rare soul on offer at the Crown. I'm agreeing with everyone tonight, so Moldie you are right it's the promotors job to book the right DJ's for his event and pulling someone's set is a bit naughty.

Can't comment about the other room at Hipshaker as I didnt really make it in there.

Does any of that make sense?

Dave

My playlist from Saturday night

Early Set

Jackie Wilson I'm comin' back to you Brunswick

Ike and Tina Turner She's the one Kent

Shades of Blue Oh how happy Impact

Casinos How long has it been Fraternity

Deon Jackson Love takes a long time growing - Carla

David 'King' Thomas If You're Looking for a Fool Jetstream

Jackie Wilson You got me walking Brunswick

Chris Clark From head to toe Motown

Solomon Burke Only love (can save me now) Atlantic

Willie Tee Thank you john Atlantic

Barbara West Congratulations baby - Ronn

Barbara Lynn This is the Thanks I Get Atlantic

Later Set

Martha Reeves My baby loves me Motown

Mary Wells Me and my baby Atco

Eddie Holland Candy to me Motown

Barbara Lewis I Remember the Feeling Atlantic

The Young Folk Lonely Girl Mar-v-lus

Yvonne Baker I can't change Junior

The Impressions You've been cheatin' ABC-Paramount

Patty & the Emblems Music makes we want to dance Herald

The Sapphires Gotta Have Your Love ABC-Paramount

Billy Butler Found true love Okeh

Five Stairsteps Little young lover Curtom

Isley Brothers I guess I'll always love you - Tamla

Carolyn Cooke I don't mind RCA Victor

Martha Jean Love Don't Want You to Leave Me - ABC-Paramount

Martha and the Vandellas Come and get these memories Tamla

Jackie Wilson I Don't Want To Lose You Brunswick

Joe Simon I Got a Whole Lotta Lovin' Sound Stage

The Gospel Classics More love, that's what we want - Checker

Last bits

The Voices of East Harlem Cashing in Just Sunshine

The Mighty Marvellows Talkin' about ya, baby

Willie Hutch Love Games RCA

Mary Love You turned my bitter into sweet - Modern

Garland Green Ain't That Good Enough Revue

Johnny Bartel and the Soul Masters If This Isn't Love Solid State

Charles Perry How Can I Magnum

Ronnie Walker On and On - Impact