Guest Nik Mak Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Anyone got a real one of this????? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Abbott Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 yeah loads of people Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 yeah loads of people ...........Nik might be referring to the first press with slightly different credits & slightly different shade of label colour.........but then you knew that didnt you cheeky . Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest smudgesmith Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Anyone got a real one of this????? Rob Smith has one in his sales Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 ...........Nik might be referring to the first press with slightly different credits & slightly different shade of label colour.........but then you knew that didnt you cheeky . Russ Hi mate. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 yeah loads of people Exactly.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Rob Smith has one in his sales Thanks Smudge. Is he on here? Or have you got a link to him? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I want one too, how much is it these days? £80? Any offers? (It's Barry btw - don't ask!) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I want one too, how much is it these days? £80? Any offers? (It's Barry btw - don't ask!) It's around the £100 area, so you may just get one for £80 in Credit Crunch Britain Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
tim smithers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Hi nik, vince had one for 60 the other wk vg+ and simon picked one up for a bit cheaper a little while back, normaly aroud 90 / 100 for a minter Edited May 1, 2009 by tim smithers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first? Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ so still none the wiser then.... My copy came from the U.S. so I'd be interested in finding out whether its the one with the correct or incorrect credits. Manships guide doesn't state that there's two different issues, or even that it's been booted. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 so still none the wiser then.... My copy came from the U.S. so I'd be interested in finding out whether its the one with the correct or incorrect credits. Manships guide doesn't state that there's two different issues, or even that it's been booted. If you go on popsike you can clearly see the different credits........I've been trying to put the scans up on here but cant, anyone else try pse. BTW still cant remember which was the first ......its not a boot as far as i know, its a repress done cos the original was withdrawn. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 One credit states 'Watkins - Carnobi' the other credits 'Reave - Watkins'......... Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Pale? Blue label with mid-blue print - credits Reave Watkins Greyish blue with dark blue print - credits Watkins Carnobi Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 so which is first? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Pale? Blue label with mid-blue print - credits Reave Watkins Greyish blue with dark blue print - credits Watkins Carnobi There ya go mate..........thanks for that, I knew i wasnt going mad.........now if i could just emember which came first !!!! Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Sorry.......similtaneous posting........ Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) guessing that the Reave Watkins one is first - as its arranged by R(eave?) Watkins Edited May 1, 2009 by pikeys dog Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I have the gut feeling it was the blue label which credits Reave Watkins that was first ???........however i am only basing this on a nagging far distant memory & wouldnt want to bet on it. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Out of interest which copy do you have ? Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer Richard Searling, WC, James Lewis c/up. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest smudgesmith Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ Russ are you thinking Danny Everard? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 we've done this one before folks....so there's a previous thread which explains i've got a copy with one label and my mate dirty-john has got t'other - i'm sure that when we compared them they were both stamped off the same plates? so i don't think it's really significant which is the first one, cos obviously neither is a bootleg .....or is it? i don't think there are that many kicking around - you don't see it for sale very often.....i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Has anyone got scans of the two different issues... and evidence of which one came first? i scanned both and put them up on a thread a few years ago ago - i think we kinda agreed that one was earlier than the other, can't remember why now though...think it was cos someone had the copy which was first uncovered the colour variation is negligible - it's the credits that are (slightly) different Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
eddiep Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one Been told this week that one went for £450 a week or so ago on ebay ! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Platters 81 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Richard Searling, WC, James Lewis c/up. Russdid Richard Searling ever DJ upstairs at TOTW?...who played it upstairs?... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hermanthegerman Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one Been told this week that one went for £450 a week or so ago on ebay ! , last one I saw on evilbay some time ago was about £100, what´s about the right price imho... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Russ are you thinking Danny Everard? No........he used to go the 100 Club all the time, used to knock around with Wayne from Swindon & Nigel & Ged from round these parts, havnt seen any of em for years. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 we've done this one before folks....so there's a previous thread which explains i've got a copy with one label and my mate dirty-john has got t'other - i'm sure that when we compared them they were both stamped off the same plates? so i don't think it's really significant which is the first one, cos obviously neither is a bootleg .....or is it? i don't think there are that many kicking around - you don't see it for sale very often.....i would want a lot more than £80 if i was selling one As i stated earlier, they are not bootlegs, but a REPRESS the original was withdrawn cos there was a hooha over credits, credits were ammended & record was repressed. Furthermore there is a colour difference in the label, its quite obvious when you get them together.........ALL I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHICH WAS THE WITHDRAWN ORIGINAL PRESS, I did know, but self abuse & the mists of time have fogged the memory . It is significant, altho as you quite rightly state, neither is a boot, cos otherwise the information will become lost, we need to document this info correctly. Most people either dont know about the repress, or dont want to know in case the one they have turns out to be the second press !!!. So can we pse nail this........does the previous thread get to the bottom of it ???.......i cant find it to check. Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Out of interest which copy do you have ? Russ The one with the greyish label and dark blue print (off the top of my head). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russ Vickers Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 The one with the greyish label and dark blue print (off the top of my head). Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 As i stated earlier, they are not bootlegs, but a REPRESS the original was withdrawn cos there was a hooha over credits, credits were ammended & record was repressed. Furthermore there is a colour difference in the label, its quite obvious when you get them together.........ALL I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHICH WAS THE WITHDRAWN ORIGINAL PRESS, I did know, but self abuse & the mists of time have fogged the memory . It is significant, altho as you quite rightly state, neither is a boot, cos otherwise the information will become lost, we need to document this info correctly. Most people either dont know about the repress, or dont want to know in case the one they have turns out to be the second press !!!. So can we pse nail this........does the previous thread get to the bottom of it ???.......i cant find it to check. Russ from memory, the one with the darker blue print is the second issue...but i'm not sure on this!!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 from memory, the one with the darker blue print is the second issue...but i'm not sure on this!!! Thanks peeps (Russ!). Got one & it's the first press I'm reliably informed. I will be dropping this at the weekend! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I bought Richard Searlings copy of Dave Knight back around 1985/6 looking at the 2 scans im buggered if i can remember which is which. the records in Scandanavia now. i have leaning to the silver one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Thorley Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 was this Dave Thorley or Gary Rushbrook at TOTW....?......super manic upstairs steamer Hi Guys Only just read this thread. Richard played it first as Case Of Time C/U at Wigan. Got mine from Soul Bowl about six months later and played it at Yate. Richard and I went on to play it at early Staffords. As far as I know Gary Rushbrook never had one at that time. As to the label thing, pale grey/light blue, Reave Watkins is the first issue. Both mine and Richards were the same, which in it's self doesn't confirm, but in addition John Anderson, did tell me about the second press some years later, when I saw one at an event, show it to him and he told me they were the second issues. He did at some time in the passed speak to someone involved with the record. Hope that helps Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tony Smith Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ That was Danny Huff, found 2 or 3 Cairos, a few Tommy Ridgeley's too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 the guy from swindon was danny huff, i used to hang around with him a bit in the 80's when he used to spend a bit of time in southampton visiting his girlfriend rowena, really nice guy, totally eccentric..danny everard was from cornwall originally, however he did support swindon town Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 That was Danny Huff, found 2 or 3 Cairos, a few Tommy Ridgeley's too. ou beat me to it tony Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 ou beat me to it tony I think I may be able to clear up the confusion? I've just got my copy thru and it's the silvery bluey one. After playing it I realised that the run out is cut short IE: the fade doesn't go to nothing but stops in mid sentence. This could be the reason there was another press run as it would stop the record from being played on the radio, which would be the main objective. If this had happened on the demo they would have probably let it go out but the issue would have been recalled and done again? (Probably really confused the shit out of everyone now! LOL! ) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest julesp1905 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Danny from Swindon way, who's second name I cant remember now, bought the second press back from the US in small quantity in the late 8ts early 9ts. I cant remember the exact details now Joe, but the original press was withdrawn cos the credits wernt right, the second/repress had amended credits & the label colour was a very slightly different shade. Remember it well, cos on the same trip he found a Cairos in a book shop, in the book, sleeveless. but in good nick I beleive ! ............I've hammered on about this numerous times, but no one can seem to remember the full details & others beleive it to be a myth I'm sure...........but its true I tell ya !!!. Danny, if your lurking about, pse put us out of our misery. Russ It's Danny Huff that your talking about, and your wrong about a copy of the Cario's, It was TWO, One was Ex the other had a edge chip, Ted Massey had one, Nick Brown the other I believe, Danny was a bit shy about who brought them. It was £500 at the time which was a hell of alot of Money for the late 80's. I saw both records together, he also got Tommy Ridgely and Little Stanley, I couldn't afford the £250 he wanted for TR, was only 19 at the time. Hope it clears it up for you Russ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Nik Mak Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Hi Guys Only just read this thread. Richard played it first as Case Of Time C/U at Wigan. Got mine from Soul Bowl about six months later and played it at Yate. Richard and I went on to play it at early Staffords. As far as I know Gary Rushbrook never had one at that time. As to the label thing, pale grey/light blue, Reave Watkins is the first issue. Both mine and Richards were the same, which in it's self doesn't confirm, but in addition John Anderson, did tell me about the second press some years later, when I saw one at an event, show it to him and he told me they were the second issues. He did at some time in the passed speak to someone involved with the record. Hope that helps Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It's Danny Huff that your talking about, and your wrong about a copy of the Cario's, It was TWO, One was Ex the other had a edge chip, Ted Massey had one, Nick Brown the other I believe, Danny was a bit shy about who brought them. It was £500 at the time which was a hell of alot of Money for the late 80's. I saw both records together, he also got Tommy Ridgely and Little Stanley, I couldn't afford the £250 he wanted for TR, was only 19 at the time. Hope it clears it up for you Russ time muddies the brain im afraid i already had the Carios (kebs copy) i met Danny in a car park in Bristol and bought the Tommy Ridgley he had 2 copies i paid 200 and the other went to tim Brown for 250 Danny said he charged him more cause he could afford it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John A Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I think I may be able to clear up the confusion? I've just got my copy thru and it's the silvery bluey one. After playing it I realised that the run out is cut short IE: the fade doesn't go to nothing but stops in mid sentence. This could be the reason there was another press run as it would stop the record from being played on the radio, which would be the main objective. If this had happened on the demo they would have probably let it go out but the issue would have been recalled and done again? (Probably really confused the shit out of everyone now! LOL! ) Both issues do that..as stated earlier,they're both pressed off the same stampers. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest woolie mark Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Both issues do that..as stated earlier,they're both pressed off the same stampers. Edited May 18, 2009 by woolie mark Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest julesp1905 Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 (edited) time muddies the brain im afraid i already had the Carios (kebs copy) i met Danny in a car park in Bristol and bought the Tommy Ridgley he had 2 copies i paid 200 and the other went to tim Brown for 250 Danny said he charged him more cause he could afford it Us lot in Swindon knew he had two Carios, Danny would never confirm who actually brought them, £500 was a top ticket price then and there were not many records exchanging hands for much more at the time. You were known for the shrine thing and everybody in swindon assumed you got one, Danny was also very friendly with nick brown from orpington who was another into buying the shrine things. A case of 1+1=2, 20 years on and you find out you got it wrong I'll pull him on the TR as I certainly couldn't afford it! I still see Danny about once a month, he's settled down now living in London, not really interested in the scene now. Still as mad as a hatter. Edited May 25, 2009 by julesp1905 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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