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No trading of recent bootleg/pirated or illegal material

As you all know, we do have a long standing policy regarding the sale, trade and swap of bootlegs on the site. The term ‘recent’ bootlegs is used often and we thought some clarification might be important here to help with navigating the minefield: Bootlegs.

Firstly, when we say recent we mean any new/recent DIY or professional bootleg/pirated or illegal material. Most of the time these are generally easily identifiable as they’ll most likely be poor imitations of originals.

Secondly, it’s important to understand that the reason for these guidelines are to protect Soul-Source. If we’re seen to be allowing the sale, trade or swap of illegal items then as a forum we can be liable. We would appreciate everyone’s efforts to steer away from posting such items.

 

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This means it's OK to sell boots of a certain vintage ? Not that I want to just interested in clarification. Assume 70's boots are ok

 

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In my opinion most people on any of the soul sites only want to look at original / legal reissue Soul records for sale.

Any bootlegs or carvers or whatever the f%-+ you want to call them have no place here.

You only have to look on eBay to see how time consuming it is to find anything decent.

Oh that looks interesting only to find its some twat selling a carver with photo copied label.

Shoot em please!

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Having said all that.

Being a hypocrite I bet I have sold some 70’s pressings on here in the distant past! 😂

 

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I agree that boots and repros should be outlawed on here. Ebay has long been the main culprit with Discogs now not allowing the sale of Repros-Soulsource has long been one of the few sources of genuine USA originals along with a few dealers who cross sell on Facebook now, who take the the time to accurately describe what the 45 for sale is i.e UK or USA. Buyers might argue that as long as the records are not being played out at venues deceiving people that buying pressings and lookalikes does no harm, but talking to different soul people it becomes clear that they have been misled in the past buying fakes, but then offloading them to others in order to recoup their outlay. And the price of originals has risen steeply especially in lockdown, making it harder to own a "big" record. You then get pushed into either looking at cheaper records to buy on original labels or moving genres in order to build a small collection in my case Crossover (no bad thing). At the moment I am trying to buy the Carstairs on original issue but have held off due to uncertainty as to which one is original. Maybe SS could alter the selling parameters slightly i.e insist on describing deadwax inscriptions/label variations ( I know some sellers on here always do this). And there are also various topics in the past on here describing authenticity. Buying relationships especially on SS are built on trust. Other than that, invest in John Manship's book.

ATB

Mick

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4 hours ago, Ruisoul said:

I agree that boots and repros should be outlawed on here. Ebay has long been the main culprit with Discogs now not allowing the sale of Repros-Soulsource has long been one of the few sources of genuine USA originals along with a few dealers who cross sell on Facebook now, who take the the time to accurately describe what the 45 for sale is i.e UK or USA. Buyers might argue that as long as the records are not being played out at venues deceiving people that buying pressings and lookalikes does no harm, but talking to different soul people it becomes clear that they have been misled in the past buying fakes, but then offloading them to others in order to recoup their outlay. And the price of originals has risen steeply especially in lockdown, making it harder to own a "big" record. You then get pushed into either looking at cheaper records to buy on original labels or moving genres in order to build a small collection in my case Crossover (no bad thing). At the moment I am trying to buy the Carstairs on original issue but have held off due to uncertainty as to which one is original. Maybe SS could alter the selling parameters slightly i.e insist on describing deadwax inscriptions/label variations ( I know some sellers on here always do this). And there are also various topics in the past on here describing authenticity. Buying relationships especially on SS are built on trust. Other than that, invest in John Manship's book.

ATB

Mick

Sadly Mick as there are so many scoundrels and thieves in the world Discogs is still not sorted and there are literally 100's of unofficial releases still for sale. (Their staff do not have enough time, but are striving to sort, so I'm told)

I agree that bootlegs no matter how old and wherever they are from should never be allowed to be marketed or sold anywhere on the planet.

If you allow some, then what example are you setting to others.....a poor one.

If there was a site that sold only unofficial records, then I wonder how long it would be before it would be closed (not long I guess, which goes to show how dealers of such product and sales sites hide the sales of dodgy stuff in amongst the genuine articles)

 

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