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39 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

So just the RCA track listed by Rick, are the wrong artist, but the rest are thee Fred Parris songs?

Its easily done. I hope the other Fred is still alive and performing.

Ed

 

Yes, the RCA LP and two RCA 7" releases are the work of Freddie Paris. As far as I can ascertain he made no other recordings. Not sure if he is still alive.

8 hours ago, Rick Scott said:

What a SAD last few years it has been and here yet another hero passes Away

RIP Fred Paris and condolences to all his Family and Friends 

 

It has been a common misconception for a long time but the "Freddie Paris" who recorded an LP and two single releases on RCA in 1967 - including "There She Goes" - is a completely different person from the "Fred" Parris (two "r's" in his surname) who has just passed and who was far better known as the lead singer of RnB/Doo-Wop legends The Five Satins ("In The Still of the Night")and who later recorded those great sides on Green Sea, Buddah etc.

That being said, the Fred Paris who recorded on RCA also spent some time in Australia in the late 60's and was a popular performer in the clubs and on TV. Here he is on Australian TV from 1965 performing "Point of No Return".  

also on Beverley's 

and UK Wirl which appears to be the toughest to find together with the NZ release on Philips (earlier in the thread) .

C'mon still wanted please !!!

DOTY ROY :  You Got My Boy !!!

1 hour ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

I’ve had this photo from The Cats on my pc for a while ,not sure who the source was or who the people are ,great photo though .

Great photo ... and clearly from the Mod/Suedehead period '69-'72 .... c'mon Soul Source members: you must have more photos of the Cats from this era to post up on here .

9 hours ago, Goldsoul said:

Firstly, JOHN MILES Rest in peace. 
Born John Errington in Jarrow, Tyne and Wear. 
He had 4 singles on Cliff Cooper’s Orange label. 
3 were Club hits from the get go……1. Why Don’t You Love Me.  2. Yesterday(was just the beginning) 3. One Minute Every Hour, by far his most popular ‘up North’ selling more than 10k early through mid 70’s. 
ironically, this isn’t the original. Vanda & Young(Easybeats) wrote it for John Farnham, who released it in Australia. More of a Rock version. 
A 4th single Hard Road is less desirable. 
Moving to Bristol, he signed to Decca and slammed the charts with ‘Music(was my first love) and Highfly. 
 

Really good vocalist and musician. A good body of work from the man. 

Actually Kev,  Farnham's version was released in Australia in 1974 (and only ever released in Australia and New Zealand) which places it after John Miles' release from 1973.

Also Vanda & Young were based in the UK from 1970 to 1973 and were very likely shopping their songs around primarily to artists in the UK and Europe at the time and Miles in fact had already released two singles in the UK previously to "One Minute" which were also Vanda - Young compositions.

John Miles' version of "One Minute" was never released in Australia, so one suspects that once his version became a hit in the UK in 1973, Vanda and Young and the music publisher placed it with an artist like Farnham in order to try to also get a hit with it in Australia and New Zealand.

All of which is to say that John Miles version surely is the original version.

Wanted please !!!

DOTY ROY :  You Got My Boy 

EXC or better condition preferred .

Cheers !!!

John Miles RIP

On 04/12/2021 at 08:54, Torch56 said:

 

Alan S and Froggy circa 1971. Alan was a key DJ at the Cats from its early days through to 1973. In March 1971 he was involved in the serious road accident that cost his fellow DJ, Bob Crocker, his life. Alan himself was months in hospital with broken legs, amongst other injuries. While Alan was recovering, Froggy took on the responsibility of keeping the show on the road until Alan rejoined the roster later in the year.

Bob and Alan also ran the R and A record shop in Stafford Street, Wolverhampton. By late 1971 Alan had re-opened the shop and was dealing in records. With no main stream means of acquiring knowledge about these obscure sounds, the shop, and the conversations therein, became an important supplement to the Catacombs itself, as a source of scarce information.

 

Great photo but judging by their hair styles and clothes, this would surely have to be post 1971 ?

23 hours ago, Benji said:

There are a couple of tracks on that CD that I just can't imagine were played anywhere in the UK in the 70s:

Showmen - Wrong Girl
Dee Clark - That's my girl
Victor Knight - Chinatown
Kenny Young - Ain't it funny what love can do

The Kenny Young record may have been a fave of Dave Godin's and possibly name checked in one of his Blues and Soul columns '69-'71 so conceivably it might have been played as an ender at The Catacombs or Wheel during that same time frame. Showmen and Dee Clark too would have made sense at the Catacombs and  Wheel before stompers dominated the scene at the Torch from '72 onwards to the end of the seventies. As for Victor Knight, can't see that fitting in ... and, incidentally, it comes a distant second to Clyde McPhatter's version.🙂

Still looking for this ; someone out there ? 🙂

1 hour ago, Torch56 said:

 

 Froggy with not so secret sounds.

DJ at the Cats from early 1971 to early 1972.

 

Great shot ... c'mon original Cats attendees ... there must me more photos from the '68-'72 era especially ... post 'em up here !

On 26/11/2021 at 09:34, Amsterdam Russ said:

Thanks for the insights - very informative.

I asked because Richard Domar's name cropped up earlier. Like many, I got his sales lists back in the early/mid 80s. 

One 45 I bought from him was Harvey Averne. Knowing nothing about the history of the northern soul scene back then - but having heard mention of the Cats as a legendary venue of old - I bought the 45 blind solely on the strength of his description of it, which said "Catacombs secret sound". Curiosity got the better of me and I spent what was then - for me - a substantial sum for a 45.

Over the years, I've asked a number of knowledgable folk about whether Harvey Averne was indeed played there, and everyone has stated there's no way it could have been. But that means doubting Richard Domar's word and his knowledge of what was played at the Cats - something I've never had any reason to do. 

Scan attached from the relevant part of his sales list from 1985.

Domar knew his stuff so that looks like positive evidence at the very least that it was played back in the day.

But should that really surprise as the Cats has gone down in soul folklore as a venue that thought outside the square than most clubs from those golden years.

Also if it was a "secret sound" then presumably there was a cover up name ? Anyone ?

3 hours ago, Goldsoul said:

Thanks for pointing that out. 
Much appreciated. 
www.goldsoul.co.uk

LOL ! That's gold ... gold soul in fact !

WANTED:  Bo Jr "Coffee Pot" on Tail-Gate Records

Original only, no reissues.

EX or better condition.

£ 600 waiting for you

While we're on the subject of the Cats, if anyone has any photos from those early days, please post them up on here ... especially the '68 - '72 years 👍

Wanted : the 7" vinyl release 

5 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Price should rise much higher still. Superior version of a great sound. Very difficult to find in decent condition. Hugely in-demand. Could even go for double what it stands at now.

No doubt, the Delegates of Soul is a great record but the Charles Mintz version is even better and by far the rarest of the two (for those for whom rarity matters)

8 hours ago, Goldsoul said:

Alex Araco. I knew him well. 

The rest of the team I believe were:

Ed Gilreath, Jimmy Bishop and Harold Berenbaum

A little off topic Kev ... but do you have any idea what happened to Jimmy Bishop ? He seemed to literally disappear off the face of the earth circa 70's and no one, not even is closest associates, have ever been able to account for his disappearance.

For what it's worth , another theory on 45cat site:

https://www.45cat.com/record/k13568

jukebox george
7th Sep 2019
 The 1966 Copyright filings are for How Can I Find The Way + On You Heart Ache Looks Good. BMI.com has the Composer names as Wayne Nathan Wadhams, Donald Edward Askew, and Kenny Karen
Ancestry.com does not have a Gavin Bernstein, lending credence to the comments below that the Producer credit is incorrect.
This 45 is not mentioned in the pages of Carole Bayer Sager's memoir available on google books; the memoir has details on Sherry Harway. One comment suggests this duo were neighborhood friends of The Fifth Estate.

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davie gordon
19th Apr 2018
 I think you're right about "Gavin Bernstein" being two people, one of them being Kevin Gavin.
Gavin was the producer for The "D" Men, the original name for The
Fifth Estate. There's also a publishing connection as Waterview Music is credited on all The
"D" Men's records. Bernstein might be Herb Bernstein but I'm not certain, I'd guess there were
quite a few Bernsteins involved in the business.

I'd bet Carol and Gerri is Carole Bayer Sager of Carol And Sherry with a new partner as Sherri Harway quit the business after getting married.

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jukebox george
19th Apr 2018
 Prod. by Gavin Bernstein for Don Costa Prod., Inc. This seems to be the only credit for "Gavin Bernstein" so this might be two different names and the label is missing a hyphen in between. The songwriters are associated with The Fifth Estate and some of their earlier 45s are Produced by Kevin Gavin.

4 hours ago, Rick Scott said:

This is Quite Nice, Outa Australia I Believe.....Now on a 45 

Rick 🙂

 

 

Have to say that this is yet another example though of how the Amy Winehouse vocal style has become so pervasive among contemporary female urban / RnB / soul vocalists ... to the point where the vocal style has become a complete cliche ... it's reached the point now where a couple of bars into hearing a tune like this and you just roll your eyes and think "oh no, not again, another Amy imitator". The tune is pleasant enough but completely unremarkable ... like a 3rd rate out-take from Amy's Back To Black LP. Amy was great and a one of a kind but she's been gone almost a decade now and Back to Black was released 14 years ago. Where are all the vocalists trying to forge their own, original style ?

Not meaning to be negative, just trying to give some honest, constructive comment here, so please keep posting these new releases Rick , there have been some memorable ones on this thread 🙂

No mistaking this as an original .... New Zealand Stateside

3 hours ago, Wheelsville1 said:

For me this is one of the greatest double siders of all time.As we know this is a pied piper production that was recorded in cleveland ohio in late 66 and released in jan 67.I have always associated pied piper with either Detroit or in some circumstances Chicago.I know the ojays were from ohio,is this the reason why these were recorded there. Cheers. Chris. 

Soulful Detroit had a thread many years ago:   https://soulfuldetroit.com/archives/3190/2145.html?1045499562  containing the following information about recording dates and location of certain O'Jays releases:

STAND IN FOR LOVE
Produced by Bobby Massey & Larry Hancock
January 27, 1966 at Way Out Studios, Cleveland

WORKING ON YOUR CASE / HOLD ON
Produced by Bobby Massey & Larry Hancock
Arranged by Herb Williams
January 4, 1967 at Way Out Studios, Cleveland

Of The O'Jays three releases on Imperial previous to Working On Your Case / Hold On:       I'll Never Forget You / Pretty Words , No Time For You / A Blowing Wind , Stand In For Love / Friday Night ... No Time For You & Stand In For Love were A sides "arranged" by Herbie Williams (Pied Piper) (while the B sides were HB Barnum productions and therefore almost certainly recorded in Los Angeles) . Of those three, only the first -  I'll Never Forget You  - displayed the note "Arranged & Produced by Solid Hitbound Productions"  but with NO apparent  Herbie Williams involvement, obviously because Herbie was not a part of the Solid Hitbound team. There can be no question though that the instrumental backing track to I'll Never Forget You was recorded in Detroit (although questionable whether the O'Jays actually travelled to Detroit to record the vocals).

So, did the O'Jays Detroit connection continue after "I'll Never Forget You" ? Well, as for Working On Your Case/Hold On, No Time For You and Stand In for Love, if the Soulful Detroit forum information is correct, those tracks would appear to have their instrumental backing recorded in Cleveland at Way Out studios.

The conclusion one might then draw is that any Herbie Willams / Pied Piper / Detroit involvement was perhaps limited only to arrangements and overdubs on those Cleveland recorded backing tracks.

And, as the Yank says, Ed Wright the producer on Working On Your Case/Hold On, No Time For You and Stand In for Love was strictly LA based.