jazzyjas
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Hello Pete. You've always got a lot to offer. That tune is no exception. It's absolutely fantastic and I can't see why anyone who appreciates roots music would think it's shite. Also, in the predictable world of blues, it's hard to find good dancing records. Betty James on Chess and only a small handfull of others. That was a gem. Thanks.
Proof there's more to life than just soul.
KTF
Jas
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Wow! Got people coming out of the woodwork for this swap. Glad to see people showing up.
To answer the question about styles and what acceptable, I would say that going back before the 80s is definitely ok. I guess you would be looking for music that might have sounded too contemporary for its time to be like older 70s crossover, even if was made in the 70s. If your selections have a few included that are tinged with funk, that's also ok. Drum machines are also definitely permitted.
I've got some sounds I'm looking for, too.
-Krisp "Sunlight" on Indigo
-Vance & Suzanne on Vanton
-Panache
-Moses-Live to Love (or is it Love to Live?) comes on a Silver label
-Master Force on Rain Forest
AND A FEW THAT ARE MORE NORTHERN that may or may not fit the format:
-Treasure Mind
-Big Mouth Woman
-King Moses-I Got the Feeling
-Beverly & Duane
-Natural Impulse-She Went Away (Ali's dream record)
On to the next issue...how to deal with the swap. It occurred to me that I've asked people to swap with me personally, which is one thing, but I didn't stop to think that others might have thought that everyone involved was going to swap. I'll send CDs to anyone, but the question is-do you want to all swap with each other too? I could go either way with how we're doing it.
Let me know how you all would like to do this so that we're on the same page. I'll start getting a list of addresses together. If everyone involved is swapping, I'll also try to be relaxed on the deadline to join in.
KTF
Jas
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I'm in the process of putting together a nice collection of rare boogie and modern soul tracks for a personal CD. So far, I've got things like:
Aaron Broomfield on Mountain (both)
Frank Washingtn on Studio II Revue
Jaymz Bedford on Gold Mink
Clausel on Upright
First Class on Park-Way
Pretty much everything that I've been putting on so far has been from the early 80s. I'm doing my best to stick to rare stuff and independent labels, but we'll see how it progresses. I'm also open to music that uses drum machines, so bring it on. If you have stuff like that and would like to do a swap, speak up and let's get it going. The stuff you put on doesn't have to be dog rare either, let's just have some fun with it.
I love bona fide 60s northern soul just as much as the next guy and gal, but I also enjoy the boogie sounds. I noticed a small handfull of others on here like it too. Would like to hear from those folks. I'm sure Awake and Johnny N. & Ali might have a few nice 80s sounds to scrounge together. How about Jocko? Anyone?
Would love to hear from some other members.
KTF
Jas
PS. Does anyone have "Sunlight" by Krisp on Indigo? How about Tolbert?
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I agree very much with what Billy Freemantle has to say. I really believe that a "well-placed" oldie of high quality every so often is nice. Having variety of GOOD stuff is the key. I honestly believe that if you announce exactly what you do and play progressive sounds that the right people will show up. It may take months, but if you stick with it, it can happen. In my ideal world, I'd love to hear some things that I've never heard every hour, alongside some good oldies every so often.
I would hope when a buzz is created by the talk of the smarter folks that appreciate progressive sounds, the punters could very well follow suit. Even a good group of guys and gals on this site alone can create a buzz. There are some people on this site who have great musical taste, so if they could round up some like minded folks...
You're all so lucky that you have enough interest to even do these nights. In the states, you can't pull this off. Crossover is virtually impossible, too. When I lived in Baltimore, I had access to Subway Soul Club every month in NYC. I never went-even considering the fact I would always be in town that very day for a record fair. I could have easily gone but I knew there wouldn't be a great amount of northern being played. Maybe a few oldies here and there probably being played from CDs. The majority would be what I call "workout" records (borrowing that phrase from Greg Surek). Boogaloo 25 Corners Shingaling parts 3 4 and 5 by the Funky Junky Soul Brothers Band. Leaves me cold. SCREW THAT! If it would have been quality northern soul, I would have been there...every month-every year.
What's my point? Point is-if you've got something really good going on, do your best to keep it going. The right people will catch on and make your night what you envisioned. They'll be willing to travel I would think. If the NYC thing would have been up to standard-I would have gone the distance no problem. The true fans of what you do should make it out to your gig. I can only hope it would be financially viable for you because too many times in Baltimore, I've had to suffer with poor attendance for trying to do things my way. I've even got up and said f-you! and walked out and left no music playing. It's my way or the highway!
Stick to your guns and play what you want. If you don't is it really worth doing? Then you're a jukebox.
Hope it works out for you and never ever play the Snake!
KTF
Jas, (speaking respectfully from the US. Hope I'm not speaking too far out of my element, not being from the UK)
Best of luck!
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For me the holy trinity of disco is:
PRELUDE
WEST END
SALSOUL
I've got about 90 12" singles on Salsoul and I admit some are label fillers. But my favs are:
LOGG-YOU'VE GOT THAT SOMETHING
FIRST CHOICE-LET NO MAN PUT US UNDER
AURRA-CHECKING YOU OUT
CLAUDIO SIMONETTI-I LOVE THE PIANO
INSTANT FUNK-CRYING
LOVE COMMITTEE-JUST AS LONG AS I'VE GOT YOU-GOLD MIND (sub. of Salsoul)
But overall, I think that the West End and Prelude catalogs have some better material. All those labels have their fair share of junk though.
KTF
Jas
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RE: the DelChords...
Correct. Dave Bupp was in that group and those guys went on to be Magnificent Men. The record was issued first on Mr. Genius and then on Impala records. I have both copies. To be quite honest, I bought it years ago for the ballad side. I still think that it's a fine example of soulful doo wop. After losing interest in doo wop and gaining interest in northern, I started flipping all of these records over. It worked for the Augustine Twins, but "Your Mommy Lied to Your Daddy" doesn't do it for me at all. "Everybody's Gotta Lose" is a killer. Let me know if you all want a sound file.
Dave-getting a record together for the "terrible" swap.
KTF
Jas
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Link to Incomplete Clip of "I'm Sure"
https://home.comcast.net/~recordmanx/two_plus_two-im_sure.mp3
Enjoy!
KYF
Jas
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Since I don't have deep pockets and credit cards, would it be possible for someone to post high quality MP3 files or send me a CD of "I'm Sure" and "Look Around" by Two Plus Two on Velgo?
Both sides are killer and I can't get enough of them.
KTF
Jas
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Little Stevie,
Give these a try:
1. INTIMATE CONNECTION-KLEER
2. HANGIN' ON A STRING-LOOSE ENDS
3. ALL THIS LOVE-DEBARGE
4. KEEP RISIN' TO THE TOP-KENI BURKE
5. DON'T TELL ME TELL HER-ODYSSEY
6. NO ONE'S GONNA LOVE YOU-S.O.S. BAND
7. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME-NEW BIRTH
8. MAKE ME A BELIEVER-LUTHER VANDROSS
9. DON'T YOU KNOW THAT-LUTHER VANDROSS
10. KEEPIN' LOVE NEW-HOWARD JOHNSON
11. TELL ME HOW IT FEELS-52ND STREET
12. FEELS SO REAL (MY MIND WON'T LET GO)-PATRICE RUSHEN
13. ALL NIGHT LONG-MARY JANE GIRLS !!!!!!!!!
14. NEVER AS GOOD AS THE FIRST TIME/SWEETEST TABOO-SADE
15. I'VE GOT MY SECOND WIND/BACK FOR MORE-AL JOHNSON
I'll drop more on you later.
PM me with your address and I'll send some music over.
KTF
Jas
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THE RARE SOUL SUPER "X FORCE"
I've read through this whole thread and have come to the conclusion that being the guru of soul can't fall on just one person. There are people on the list who have their reasons for being included. Godin and John Anderson are like forefathers, while others continue on to the future. Then there are other people who have their niches, like the modern guy in the UK or the soul harmony guy in the US, plus the other gurus of northern.
It would be great if all those people who are still around could get together and make the ultimate soul reference books. Then for pricing, get a consensus of ALL the top dealers, not just Tim Brown or just John Manship and better yet, the people that actually buy these records for even more unbiased opinions. (Nearly impossible though.)
Sorry for the tangent, but I think of it more like these guys are the X-Men and each one has a specialty (you all will probably name Manship or Levine as Magnito). People like Godin and Anderson are more like the ones who get the lifetime achievement awards. And by the way, Soussan has done nothing more than supply records for quick profit and rip off many people along the way. And also by the way, Shalamar made much better music after he was gone. He then had another go at it over here in the states with his low budget vanity press book that he called a price guide. Remember that? What a jerk. He took money from so many people and didn't deliver the products. As for landmark achievements on the northern scene-so what!. Give that credit to Frank Wilson instead of him. He sang the song. SS only wishes he could be on the list. He could name more enemies than titles of soul records.
Narrowing it down to one person is nearly impossible. You become a guru from absorbing knowledge from many others throughout your life. A guru doesn't have to be a DJ or a dealer to qualify, he could even be a punter with a vast amount of knowledge and passion for soul. But I guess being all or some of those things does bring the experience.
I respect a lot of people on that list for their love of soul and for their knowledge. I would love to learn more from any of these people. Some people that I know consider me a guru because of my 27 years experience. But I humbly refuse that title because it takes time, passion and dedication. I'm still learning and years from becoming a bona fide guru in my opinion. So much more to learn.
KTF
Jas
ps. It's Greg Surek. And he names off records I've never heard of on a regular basis. Don't know where he finds this stuff sometimes.
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REALLY disappointed about the CD overall . There a couple of decent producers on here as far as doing their own work, but this stuff just doesn't cut it for me. I didn't mind the Marvin Gaye all that much and the producer who did the Supremes remix is probably the most creative and the only one with any trace of musical talent. Still doesn't change the fact that I really didn't get into that one either.
The remix that offended me the most was "Mary Jane". It was extra corny like some "down-south" ghetto-ass L'il Jon beats. Too right about the intros too. Not one song comes on strong like the true spirit of Motown recordings. They all take forever to build. You've already lost interest before they get it going, which dissapoints again.
Thumbs Down!
KTF
Jas
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just curious...what adam wade record are you all talking about? is it "rain from the skies"? If so, I must agree that it's not for the soul scene at all. nice bacharach song-but it's popcorn..not northern AT ALL. adam wade's catalog in general is like low-rent lenny welch as far as i'm concerned.
never heard the joey scarbury or the dianne steinberg either. i'll get around to it eventually. got SOUL records to listen to you know?
KTF
Jas
ps. hey ali.. for just a split second, i thought i found a natural impulse 45 the other day. alas it was some other record with a similar looking label. i would have crapped myself it really was natural impulse. thanks for pointing that track out. i really like it.
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"The Happening" by the Supremes is unforgiveable. So is "Rhythm of the Night" by DeBarge.
Was going to say Stevie 'I Just Called" and Charlene. What atrocities those are, too. You guys and gals beat me to those. "Happy Birthday" - tribute to MLK by Stevie Wonder is bad, too.
Don't forget about an LP on Gordy called Kagny and the Dirty Rats. It was a black guy and a white guy dressed like new wave homos, playing this high energy synth rock music. The "Last Dragon" soundtrack has a few stinkers, too.
In the 60s, I'll go with Bobby Breen on Motown, Hillsiders and Dorsey Burnette on Mel-O-Dy. "We Call It Fun" by the Headliners on V.I.P. is a bit disappointing, too. Recently I found an LP on Motown called "Gimmie Dat Ding" by the Ding Dongs from 1970. It's a photo of some hats and banjos sitting in a pile of peanuts.
Had the Twistin Kings LP on Tamla years ago but can't remember if it was good.
Glad somebody stuck up for Bob Kayli. "Tie Me Tight" is a really nice popcorn/northern r&b numer.
KTF
Jas
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"How Long Do I Have To Wait For You"-Sharon Jones-so brilliant
Sven Zetterberg also killer!
Back in 1996, there was a group called For Real on Rowdy records who had a song called "Like I Do". They were an r&b group like EnVogue. I knew this record was not going to do well because it was retro 60s sounding. I was used to the usual insipid R&B tripe played on TV and the radio. It shocked me that they would even do this record. Of course, we never heard from them again, obviously because they couldn't be marketed. I picked up their whole CD in a $3.00 used bin. I remember thinking that there were a few other decent songs, but "Like I Do" was a stand out track. Is anyone on here familiar with "Like I Do" or the group For Real? I would imagine that they could have been more successful in the UK.
By the way Dayo, 'A Girl Like You' by edwyn Collins sounds familiar because the back beat of the song is a 4 second sampled loop of "1-2-3" by Len Barry, with the occasional 4.5 second loop to add in the drum rolls.
Also-must give a mention for Lou Pride "Bringing Me Back Home" on the Kent Modern Soul Masterpieces CD. What a great song! I LOVE IT!
KTF
Jas
Alternate Takes
in All About the SOUL
I'm in love the song "I'm Back for More" Got it by Al Johnson & Jean Carn, Leo's Sunshipp, Marlena Shaw...any others out there? I'd like to know.
On the 6ts side of things, I absolutely HATE that version of "Baby Hit and Run" by the Contours that's on Cellarful of Soul V.1. The original Tamla Motown well-known version blows that away! What an utter waste of time. They could have put "Spellbound" by Martha and the Vandellas or some other thing on that disc.
Then there's those recycled backing tracks:
2. Lighten Up-Ty Karim
3. Go For Yourself-Larry Laster
4. Somebody Somewhere Needs You-Ike & Tina
Personally, I rate Ty Karim as the best vocal performance out of that lot. But Larry Laster seems pointless after the other two, I think. Ty Karim is a true "northern soul" artist.
Then "To Much"-Jimmy Conwell vs. "Bettin' On Love"-Len Jewell I'll take either one. Like 'em both.
As for "I Watched You Slowly Slip Away", I'm sticking with Howard Guyton's version. It's a much more sophisticated arrangement with top musicians. That was the nice thing about Verve. Even the pop records had top guys like Chick Correa and other jazz players on them. Just listen to that Howard Tate LP. Total class. Not taking away from Lou Courtney, cause he's great, but that little slab of Verve wax can't be beat.
KTF
Jas