Barry
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Right then Barry, you asked so here goes.
Answer 1 - Don't wear denim jackets with Wigan patches on them.
Answer 2 - Don't admit to liking or playing House music.
1 & 2 must never be done together or the results could be a total disaster.
Answer 3 - Go easy on the red wine at midnight.
Answer 4 - Never try to answer more than 3 questions at once
.End of the day Barry you've got a lot to offer this forum with your musical knowledge & i'm speaking personally now, i'd miss your posts on here as we both share a very similar musical background but keep it short & sweet mate & don't put yourself on a pedestal & if you do don't bite when someone tries to knock you off it.
Mart...
PS, You got an Ike Strong yet?
Think I might have turned a copy up
Please pm me Cunnie old dear.
Thanks for the replies folks - you are right in the majority, I do only use this board as a form of therapy and am definately guilty of talking myself around the corner on occassion and sometimes right up my own arse.
For that I apologise.
The majority, not all may I add, of my heartfelt posts are based around a bullshit free thought process - a process that is not that well adhered to on message boards.
And for that I don't apologise.
I must add that I feel I did not deserve the post (or maybe I did, who's to say!?) that stated I have not received what I feel I am due from my input.
Maybe a deserved comment from the people who don't know me on here, but I must add that as you don't know me, you don't know 1) exactly how much I have put in and 2) exactly where I stand in the real world as regards respect from people.
But all in all, great responses.
Thanks.
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Haters, don't you love 'em!?
You can spend your time knocking it, take a pop at youngsters who spent some time there, maybe some of them weren't as devout as yourself (make you feel more of a Soulie does it?)?
At the end of the day, Wigan - forget what sh*t tracks (in your eyes) were played there, forget who wasn't good enough to be there, forget whose memories aren't worthy of your merit - because at the end of the day it was the best days of certain peoples lives - nowt to do with your venomous catty views.
You're simply spitting on thousands of good Soul-Loving people that made this scene what it is today with your poorly thought out, insecure and at the end of the day, shallow, see through immatgure views.
How's about that then?
Rather than telling older Soulies to 'move on' for simply recounting their memories, I think it is obvious that the haters should 'move on', as it is obvious that you have very little else to say - shooting fish in a barrel for you innit mate?
Does certain irrelevant others negativities cloud my views, my memories?
I'll leave that obvious question open.
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Where I disagree with Barry is that it wasn't Northern/modern fans buying the stuff
Did I say that? I can't be arsed looking but I'm sure I didn't.
I, and many others like me, were All Nighter attendees for years (call me a Soulie at that time, as I was by your terms) but there are certainly a huge amount of people, like myself [a Northern/Modern fan] that grew with it, bought it, spent time on others dancefloors up and down the country, simply appreciating it.
You know why?
Because it was great music.
How many tracks that were played on that scene in the early 80's were derided by the NS community at the time (slow learners??) that are now accepted on Nighter dancefloors?
I'm no less of a Northern Soul devotee for enjoying other forms of soulful black music.
There are also many others on here that have manged to juggle their musicality, keep abreast of it's beauty, and be true to their 60's roots; going to Nighters, buying Northern etc; alongside improving their love of the ever-evolving American based soul scene.
'Moving on' musically doesn't mean you lose any Brownie points (sorry - it does if loving your music means keeping your immediate peers happy, if those peers have very little knowledge of anything other than Northern) - in any way.
If you think honestly think that no NS/Modern types bought that music you need to expand your circle mate.
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Could I ask what you have to do to gain acceptance on here?
Are posting reminiscences, giving views, asking thought provoking questions (that sounds a bit 'Barry White' I know), being positive etc not enough?: (Christ! I sound like I'm arsed here).
At what point do my views drag the vitriole out of people?
You silly nit-pickers surely must see that I have some kind of earnt view?
I have no wish to be tarnished with the red wine 'midnight poster' mantle.
From this day forth I will attempt, again, to be a valid (??) member to this board.
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I see the term "two stepper" on sales lists from time to time and have absolutely no idea what this implies, or what it sounds like. I'm assuming this is a 1980s thing?
Before I bore myself, the board, my dead family members, and yourself Tony - I'll just quote Agent 45's opener to this ultimatley pointless and awfully dreary thread.
I'm assuming this is a 1980s thing?Jamaica, Baz & Babs etc....I honestly don't think he was looking for an answer that required such a display from yourself.
Or maybe it was me, and not you, who was hi-jacking a thread with irrelevant information that displayed to the board how deeeeeeep my knowledge of the scene is - that is without actually giving the short and (wanted) succinct answer to what should have been a decent thread.
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I don't need to hide my opinion of your opinion behind PM's. You're entitled to that opinion, it's a forum here and that's what a forum is all about -differences of opinion...
...But the bottom line is, you're just wrong, simple as that. Completely and utterly wrong. Parker's was a great club, and Richard was, is and always will be a great DJ, but he would be the first to tell you that your view of the origins of the two step scene is complete and utter tosh. Surely the fact that Sourcers from all over the country are trying to tell you this, in public rather than via alleged PMs, must mean something to you?
I have no personal agenda here, I assure you. We've all been guilty of inaccuracy at one time or another, and you're guilty of it now. Please accept it and move on gracefully.
BTW I was at every single Parker's except one I missed through illness. I even guest DJ'd at one in the 'other room'. Don't remember seeing you at any of them, though...
...that's humour, incidentally, which I thought I'd better explain as you don't seem to have much of a sense of it.
What has Parkers (and your irrelevant illness) got to do with owt?
I simply gave a few relevant venues that played good soul music in the NW off the back of the Northern scene, and you lot horribly, and yet fantastically, spewed your errant dislike of Searling by jumping on his input and knocking it - Freudian as Feck.
Without me having to spell it out for you, you've shown your true colours Tony - old, misconstrued and faded as it happens.
I'll live my life knowing I'm right as I have first hand knowledge, with or without your nod.
Love you.
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I mentioned reggae blues parties in an early reply to the thread (post no. 6) because it's the correct answer. It's where two-step in this context started. It didn't start at Parkers. Searling didn't invent it. That is fact. Why do you find it so hard to accept?
Rod's post gives a great first hand insight into how and why the two-step phenomenon started to make inroads into what might be termed the rare soul scene and collections thereof.
The comment about the Streisand/Gibb record is puzzling. Are you saying this was not a two-step anthem? If so you are wrong. That particular record has and would have 'wrecked' many a two step dance for decades. In fact it was one of the first tracks specifically bootlegged for that particular scene.
Without rattling on about my history gareth (which I could do, it is wide and varied as it happens).
Who said Searling invented it, I certainly didn't - how can you invent a term? - and you should respect your elders and betters my friend, or it all stands for nothing - just reflect for a moment it'll do you good.
I almost bit there but then I realised the majority of the above negative comments appear to be made from people that weren't truly involved in the black music scene, the same comments appear to be second hand borrowed scaredy cat white boy comments.
I have no problems with that at heart but you're talking to a lad that has been involved on these scenes.
It seems to me that you are white soul boys, borne of white soul boy venues.
Tell me I'm wrong.
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I was thinking of playing a few two steppers at monuMENTAL tomorrow night, Girf. Perhaps I'll kick off with 'Prayin'...
Your ace Tony, and I'm sh*t - obviously.
Simply shown by the fact that it is very obvious by your jokey and unconcerned message board demenour that I have you running scared (don't take it too seriously mate, I don't) and you are having to rely on other misinformed Northern 'drones' that are similarly as insecure as yourself to give your poor drawlings creedence.
No matter how much effort you and yours put into making me appear somewhat of a being not worthy of having a view (that is worth listening to), the PM's I receive from other board members tell me different.
Good luck with your task, it will ultimately bear little fruit.
I'll still talk intelligently about this music, which will enable you and your school-ground bullies to continue spouting their pointless drivel.
I don't see a positive bone amongst you.
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What Is "two-step"?, exposing my ignorance.......
Agent45 admitted openly that he had no idea what the term meant - perhaps Barry, you should do the same.....
Some spot on replies from Tony, Gareth & Rod.......
Girf
Actualy I feel like taking you to task on that, pm me with your views, you obviously have it in mind that I have just pissed about on dancefloors for a bit.
I mean it, pm me, lets talk.
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Yep, could you explain that again in idiot-proof bullet points please Barry?
I'm very concious that I may go off-thread if I'm not careful!
Ian D
Stop playing the game Ian, and answer the question son.
The very fact that I have spent a few moments putting together a relevant question, which has seen some really poor responses, proves a great deal to me.
If you wish to prove your worth to other members by adopting a school-ground attitude, fair do's.
I see it and I'm sure others do.
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As you may have noticed since starting this thread ive only posted twice and just sat back and read some really intresting replies, and reading into this i think persnally theres too many local events, but hey there must be a market for them otherwise they wouldn`t be held, i re-located to the north east from my roots in york some four years ago and the amount of local events in our area is unbelievable, within say a 30mile radius theres 15+ with the weekly calendar usually full, unfortunatly insome cases this has caused the scene to implode on itself, due to people not wanting to travel and awaiting there own local d in there town, theres some great venues up here and some very forward thinking promoters, but the vast amount of venues seems to have split the scene with what seems to be not suppoting each other, there is of course the usual polotics & ego trips going on, but i seem to see more northeasterners in one place when i travel away nowadays
Obviously there is a market for them Harry, as is todays society and the average age of a died in the wool Soulie, they can't give it the time they once did, hence my above post.
It/it's long standing devotee's/it's lifeblood can only give of what they can.
Fair enough there are certain events that give enough to warrant the 'it's healthier than it's ever been' comments but the reality is, the Northern scene has (had to) give itself over to it's roots.
I know there are bigger events, held over a monthly span, that enable a more vigorous attendance than the norm - which is where the beautiful irony lies; although the NS scene as a whole appears to be diluting itself with the 'local venue' angle, it is the singular proof that it was always a true scene.
It's commiting a beautiful suicide.
Should I go to bed mate?
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There is no other scene comparable to the NS scene in the history of peoples boots on dancefloors - end of.
But, and it may be a one off observation, the NS scene has followed the only path it could, given it's own trail-blazing singularity.
Young boys in the 70's got the bug from the earlier pioneers (luckily for us they were worth their salt), set up shop and kicked ass for years - then they grew up.
It became a career, yes of course they loved it, but ultimatley if you are able to make a lot of money from your passion - do it (see The Premier League).
Kids on the dancefloor danced, spent their bus fare home on pressings (walked home), grew to know better, believed, lived their life around that scene (see any scene, but the NS scene always had that tad more intensity).
They grew up, as did their views, musical moralities and tastes - they felt more relevant, more involved, more the epitome of the creed they had been taught as they climbed the scale.
Next minute, they are 20/30 years into a scene - a scene where 20 year old men had taught them their trade, maybe 25/30 years back - men who were true pioneers - and the followers have thought "I can do that!"
Those same people who where always heading to that point; they were always going to deserve that moment and credit where credit is due - that is the life cycle of a scene - any scene.
Everyone wants/deserves their Andy Warhol moment, after all you've given your life over to your fifteen minutes, haven't you?
But you must remember that without the internet and it's latent beauty, no file sharing, no label scans, no e-mail - NO NOWT - those lads back in the 60's/70's & 80's were the f*cking real deal.
No getting away from it.
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Do you think that being the lucky born individual you are (a Soulie with a history that is), gives you a headstart?
Given also, that you (as an owd c*nt) have made all your mistakes in the 60's/70's/80's (and fair do's, we've all been there), they are times gone now after all.
After all, your earlier lowly standing in the NS hierachy at the time has all but been forgotten (You're the most old-looking at venues these days after all, and you know a lot about venues and tracks that 20/30 odd year old people involved recently don't, so what does it matter?).
True?
The only truthful answer to the above question, as regards what I read on here anyhow, is "Yes, of course it does."
I, you, and every one else are guilty of it - it's a natural thing after all, you can't reminisce without falling foul of bigging yourself up in some small way - no real problem if that is all it is, simply reminiscing.
But at what point do ''owd c*nts' stop responding to relevant questions, posted by interested others, and start responding with slightly askew answers that generally tend to twist away from the initial question, that then seem to dissolve into weird personal views/record loves/history moments etc.
If you have a history, start a thread - tell us about it, about you, don't just dump your random memories into threads that may have had half a chance of solving something, you corrupt those same threads.
I've re read this this and it isn't meant to be a negative post, although it could be misconstrued as such, it's just that I see so many random posts popped willy-nilly into cracking conversations, threads that would possibly have made interesting reading if people would have kept their eye on the ball.
I think I may have wandered off a bit there, I'll make no apologies for it, as I'm sure the more the more intelligent amongst you will see both of the points that I am trying to make here, points that I can't be arsed deliniating between right now (It's been a long night and it's late).
Love you all btw.
Please discuss.
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Yes, it's exactly what i would have expected of you - and the only 'pigeon holing' that seems to be going on here is of me as a 'mainly NS type'. The thousands of hillbiilly, reggae, punk, MOR, girl group. beat group, rockabilly, R & B (both 'types'), punk, big band and jazz, pre-WW11 blues and god knows what else albums, 78s and singles that I have bought since I started my first collection in the early 60s would seem to contradict that.
Anyway it wasn't me who (erroneously) 'pigeon holed' 'Prayin' as a two step, was it. It would never have copped even one play on a geunine two step scene, however great it is (and it is).
Gareth's subesquent posting eloquently summarises my own feelings about the origins of two step. Except that it doesn't quite reinforce that this was originally a predominantly southern 'phenomenon' that drifted north for a change, rather than the other way around.
Tony, do you honestly think that the fella who posted the initial thread opener was hoping to be told about Jamaican sound systems?
If so, stick yer Baz & Babs record back on yer turntable mate.
And you have the nerve to have denegrate Searlings input.
Blinder!
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Edited by Barry
I'm glad to say I got off the 'must have' the big ticket merry-go-round ages ago, I simply buy and collect records which float my boat be they cheap as chips little bits and bobs or sometimes the more exspensive, buying records to simply DJ with or impress others in my book is a nonsense and a pointless exercise as often there is always someone there to over shadow your efforts, collecting records is a very personal thing and it would be good if sometimes we could actually express ourselves totally when DJ'ing by playing a non restricted type spot rather than the often play safe method as ever playing a solid hour of in your face big money records can become a little boring.I'm having more fun now than ever before swapping, buying, selling etc. selling to buy seems to be what most of us have to do in order to keep the collecting bug going which I find easier to do now than a few years ago, if you can overcome the emotional attatchment to certain records then this helps big time, I'm often of the opinion if someone else can get pleasure and enjoyment from a record I own then there is no problem in selling it, however there will always be certain records no matter how hard you try you can never let them go.
Regards - Mark Bicknell.
PS, waiting for the postman to arrive with several small packages.....collecting don't you just love it?
I'm sure the majority of grounded 'listeners' think that way Mark, and as your response implies, you do too.
But your response has little to do with my question.
I buy ten bob records all day, so my question - if I would have wished to talk about myself that is - could have been "How good am I for buying ten bob records?".
It wasn't.
I would hope you would re read the question and possibly respond in a manner deserved of the question.
I'm not being an arse, but this board should be re-named 'Chinese Whispers' as it's unbelievable how convoluted certain answers become the further down the board they are.
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The two step scene was actually the outgrowth of the soul records that were being played on Jamaican sound systems. I don't think you can give any credit at all to the Northern/Modern scene or to the likes of Searling etc. for 'inventing' it. The sound system DJs had it all figured out, and were championing it, long before the days of Parkers/Halfway House etc...
...And Harold Melvin "Prayin" a two step? Not in this lifetime or the next, I'm afraid.
Giving Searling props for playing what is deemed by the majority to be Two Step has little to do with giving the NS/Modern scene credit for 'inventing' it Tony.
Obviously you pigeon hole 'Prayin', as I would expect a mainly NS type to do, as simply an all nighter play - it wasn't.
Try not to spill knowledge to relevant others....when your knowledge is gained only from the insular scene that you have evolved within.
I would hope that my reply is along the lines of what you would have expected of me.
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GOOD POSTS BARRY 
Set Openers
in All About the SOUL
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The first track of any jocks set is crucial.
What would you go with?