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    On 09/03/2025 at 10:21, Roburt said:

    A London area club that burnt brightly for a short time. I believe it was pub based & the building was swept away by a road widening scene (I'm told where the venue stood is now a large roundabout) ...

     

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    I hadn't realised he had toured in the 60s too

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    OK, I've checked out the copy of 'Good News' that came from the Ebay Seller discussed and I can't see any difference at all. However that and the others that have been sold on the site were pressed at at least two different European plants, not the dodgy UK one responsible for the later over-presses. I think it's unlikely that anyone could have re-pressed from the masters, the labels would have had to have been identical too. I'm flummoxed.

    Hopefully the seller has accumulated some over the years and is flogging them off, which is also unlikely. I think we're talking about relatively small numbers though and only a few titles - time will tell. Maybe I'll pop round and ask them next time I'm up.

    The titles that were over-pressed are - I think

    Smith Brothers

    Lorraine Chandler

    Sandra Richardson

    Nancy Wilcox

    Also the Classic Example is the only one I know definitely was but because I marked them they haven't appeared on the market.

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    On 30/10/2024 at 08:28, Dean Rudland said:

    Nancy Wilcox, Sandra Richardson and Classic Example

    I think it's worth noting that 300 copies is a lot to be circulating when demand dips or there isn't any to start with.

    So for instance one of my favourites - The Magnificent - which definitely wasn't over-pressed goes for less than Sandra Richardson which was over -pressed, and is more than £25 for a copy now, I see.

    The one's being sold at the moment were very in demand when they came out and the prices have dropped a bit since then (or certainly those records hang around longer now). If someone had a business with over pressed stock the time to get rid of them would have been at the time.

    But as I say, it is almost impossible to do at a big factory and those three were the ones printed at the smaller rogue factory.

     

     

     

    The Magnificents was one of the over-pressed ones

    On 31/10/2024 at 10:32, Hunter Quint said:

    My understanding of Ady Croasdell's message on Tuesday is that Sandra Richardson/Hytones was not over pressed

    There's two Hytones, hence some confusion. Good News was before the overpressing, Runaway Girl after

    I have a "new" Good News to compare with theoriginal. I'll compare and report back and will try and find out which titles are likely to be compromised from being pressed at the dodgy factory.

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    On 29/10/2024 at 14:56, Woodbutcher said:

    I had always assumed that the metalwork would be returned to the customer , ie. Ady , along with the 45s ... ?

    No, the metalwork usually stays at the factory

    On 02/11/2024 at 10:44, Happy Feet said:

    There's a copy of the Smith Bros./ Simon Barbee for sale on eBay at the moment for a mere £14. If anyone looking for a copy , now we no they don't jump.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315887197208?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=yrcpe4qaqei&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=XjYASWgLRuy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

    That was one they over-pressed at the time and flogged copies shortly after

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    All very dodgy. These are titles that weren't over-pressed at the time but looks like they may have re-pressed. If anyone has one from them, maybe send me one to compare? Or compare with one you know are genuine 

    I'll list the ones I know were over pressed later but Milton Bennet, Hytones, Magicians weren't 

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    On 04/03/2024 at 17:31, David Meikle said:

    Thanks Robb

    Money changing hands in the making of a recording has always intrigued me.

    Can you breakdown for me who gets paid - from lyrics being written down, to a record going on sale in the shops. Probably a big story but I’d love to know.

    For example what happens after someone scribbles down a few lyrics in a bar/pub one night. No money has been incurred in the making of a record at this point.

    What is next in the process and who gets paid?

    I’ve never quite understood why, for example, some “weak” lyrics like in case of the Beatles “She Loves You” can make the lyric writer lots of money over many (70?) years.

    And why would Mike Terry (for example) require a producer when he has all the skills to write charts, add the “sweeteners” etc.

    Bobby Eli told me once that (he thought) the arranger was the most important person on a recording.

    Yet he gets a fraction of the income that (in the above example) the “crass” lyric writer got.

    Hope you can help.

    David

     

     

     

     

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The lyrics to She Loves You were perfect for the song and the times. Get Dylan to write them and the recording would be worse. 
    Music or lyrics, a songwriter gets nothing for writing a song (unless they’re staff writers on a wage or get advances by against future sales) until the first cent/penny has been generated because of it.

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    1 hour ago, David Meikle said:

    It verifies that the demo was made in DH studios but where is the master tape that gave us the 45?

    Ady will be able to tell us if both sound identical. Plus, what was DH studios on Hamilton like for sound recognition? The sound on DH cd’s is excellent IMO.

    Finally, why is Chattlee Productions printed on “I Can’t Hide It” if the final recording was done at Dave’s place? 

    Sorry, I’m out my depth on this subject, but find this intriguing.

    The demo may have been sent to Dave, I’ll check the tape box for more info. I doubt the final recording was done at Dave’s. Maybe Hattie Leeper brought them up to Detroit for the sound. As a DJ she would probably have connections there 

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    5 hours ago, Agentsmith said:

    In probability, that varifies it as a Detroit recording then Ady, and at his studios?

    Not definitely, Dave worked with people from around the country on occasion. It may just be a demo he was sent, though I have a feeling it was with some others, I’ll check on Monday. It may have bee ln his studio but unlikely as it was his small home studio by then I think 

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    8 hours ago, Robbk said:

    I have that record and bought it new, also Sport 111.  I always assumed this one was recorded in Detroit.  I hear some Detroit musicians on it.  The acoustics sound a lot like Sidra/TerraShirma Studio as opposed to Golden World.  I guess this record represented the Appreciations coming to Detroit and recording there.  I See that Willie Mitchell was credited as producer.  But, I'm not convinced The Aware record was recorded in Detroit.  The bari sax on Sport 108 sounds like mike Terry's style, and could well be him.  But it's too sparse, and subdued in the background, to tell for sure.  But I'd still bet that Mike Terry arranged it, and played the sax on it, too.  This is the reason why I originally thought that The Appreciations were a Detroit group.  I also have the Gaines-Leeper penned Appreciations' record on Jubilee.  I'm surprised I didn't connect it with The Sport group.  And I never liked the Aware cuts, and thought they were a different "Southern" group.  

    The Jubilee sides are both Hattie Leeper’s Chattlee publishing like most of the other Appreciations sides. The ‘It’s Better To Cry’ 45 sides are New York production teams - Phil Medley producing one and publishing both. Blake and Nieves were his NYC writers 

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    On 15/01/2024 at 17:57, Billy Jo Jim Bob said:

    BBC 'Woman's Hour' has previous form I think. I recall some years ago there was a female NS DJ (cant remember her name) that was asked to go on the show to tell the women how hard it was to be a female in a mans world. When the producer spoke to her sometime before the planned show, she said that all of the male DJ's were very helpful and she had experienced no sexism at all. The show then said the segment was being dropped. Surprised...not. 

    Somebody will know more detail than me but that was the gist of it as I recall.

    That was Val Palmer

    Eve was a 100 Club and Stafford regular in the 80s. She ran some nights in or near Bristol late 90s/early 00s. I guest DJed for her

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