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    HI ALL.....Not sure if I got the answer I was looking for? or was I just putting 'the cat in with the pigions'..proberly!

    As for the subject of acitates, they fall in 2 groups for many UK collectores, the type 1, is exactly the same as what was issued, these are worth more than a stock copy, but less than the DEMO Copy as a rule of thumb,

    Type 2 are the alternative cuts that are in very small numbers, a good example are the BEATLES as their stuff always make money,

    type 1 are rare when the groups contract fails but the songs were compleated, PHIL SPELLMAN in LONDON is the main man for obscure UK 60s stuff, and if it is the right stuff, he pays well for most stuff,

    The record John sold is at most worth £20, and talking with top UK colector, Mick Smith, he states what we already no, however, he did add that BILLY STEWART has a big following around the world, and sometimes we forget this with certain artists? well here is what you should be looking for! DAVE

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    HAS ANY BODY GOT A SPARE COPY OF BLUES & SOUL Monthly Magazine #2?

    also WANTED SOUL SURVIVOR #2?

    i HAVE A FEW SPARES OF BOTH MAGAZINES, WILL SWAP 2 COPIES OF B&S #14 & #23 THE LAST MONTHLEY ISSUE, AS #24 WAS 1ST BI WEEKLY. THANKS DAVE.

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    HI ALL Trust me when I say, John is OK, and even thoe I am skint, their is no envy, well a little bit?

    Lat year I sold my small collection of PYE accitates, mainly CAMEO PARKWAY, PICCADILLY, PYE INT, But I am totally bemused in the price john got for Billy Stewart Summmertime? this must be hyped up, as at most it is not indemand or a differant cut? , then a copy of BLUES & SOUL SELLS £82, FOR #4? PLEASE TELL ME, How this achieved that price? DAVE

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    :hatsoff2:HI ALL...Here is the NEWS, This is the start of the SUMMER, oh! yes it is but as the SKY has been crying, this classic by FRANKIE G I thought was apt? As always not a bad record has been listed, and for the dedicated hardcore, I have really enjoyed the music

    I have a spare copy of 'tears on my pillow' Frankie G, rare stuff? :oh my:AS ALWAYS DAVE K

    :hatsoff2: HI MIMI.....Can I suggest a old friend of mine, may be of great use to your request?

    Mr RONAN WILSON, Managing Director, (ELP) ELSTREE LIGHT & POWER, Based at ELSTREE STUDIOES, Just type ELP in to GOOGLE,

    He has the right contacts, and seems to know most top media people for sure, :thumbsup: DAVE k

    :hatsoff2: HI MARK Yes Timebox made an excellent cover, also a cover of SOUL SORCE is great, Last year I sold of my PYE associates

    including this, leaving me with just the DEMOS! i mention this as to the price on SUMMER TIME ON JM AUCTION, WHY CANT SOMEONE PIONT THESE LOONS MY WAY?

    Said it before, so I will say it again, I did the UK tour in 76 with BOXER, the late MIKE PATTOS, band, when while holding a 20' inflatable penis, waving it while smoke spurted out, I set myself on fire? and had to jump of the stage at BATH 15'high, so I am the flaming man, :ohmy: DAVE

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    :hatsoff2:HI ALL After the events of last week, with a few faces I have not seen in years, and the fact, more people know me as DtheDRUG? rather than TAFFY DAD, My blood pressure has gone stupid on me, reading 81/62 hb51, alarming! So it was good that, some sort of conclusion has been reached about the term BEAT BALLARD, on our UK SOUL SCENE, that introduced to the world, from the writings of Dave Godin NORTHERN SOUL, That in the context that Dave wrote that, and the point that I have made about the how the term crossed over, and become the perfect word, to describe certain record, on the SCENE, and the issue that it was Pete Smith who made the comprehensive account of how to use the terminology, which, is definant,

    Also with Ady comments, that for me, supports my view, I think Pete does deserve the recognition, for it's meaning in our scene,

    It's a shame that I still can't stand the word 'SOULIE.

    So yes Pete fame at last, fame at last.

    :thumbsup: AS ALWAYS DAVE'

    :hatsoff2: Hi ALL my motto is call a spade a spade., even though, I can remember what it was like, when traveling 'UP T NORTH' on my Todd, many times doing a ALL Dayer afterwards? back in 1973/4, when the word was a descriptive word, and neatly parcelled the whole 48 hours up for me, the word does not cause me worries, if anybody gets embarrassed, by the term well. it reminds me of a BANK HOLIDAY in 1969. WHEN ABOUT 70 OF US HAD NO PLACE TO KIP.

    So we were at Gt Yarmouth and all headed for the all night cafe on the Bridge, when we all noticed the railway sidings, and about 6 cattle trucks each truck had about 20+ of us in , that was 20+SKINHEADS, Trying to KIP, when some let rip of the loudest and longest fart of the night, so what! well 1 individual Raymond Coulter from LETCHWORTH, got all embarrassed and was trying to make the person who owned the fart to apologize, again so what I hear you mutter.

    The moral of this tale is simple as in a flash he was christened old mummy boy Coulter, and 2 minutes later after receiving a swift kicking he was thrown straight out of the cattle truck.

    Personally I always will use the term NORTHERN SOUL. as there is no other word that I care to use. and those people that have used the scene to play their DISCO SOUL on should remember what that music did for those who attended the original scene at the events CHRISS HILL put on at Canvey Island, that man never got embarrassed by words? remember RENTA SANTA :thumbup: I am just sticking up for that 1 individual, that you did not name :wicked: DAVID ANDREW KILWORTH

    :hatsoff2: HI the term Beat Ballard was not the invention of Pete Smith, and I am sure that at some time, TONY HATCH used the term to Jackie Trent, that her latest Ballard that he had written for her, should have a bit of a lift in delivery, with a 4 BPM tempo at 2x that of a standard waltz 4/3, a Ballard with a beat? or a beat with the Ballard? so I am saying is, that professionals who are musicians writers producers arrangers and uncle Tom Cobbley and all, also as written, it could well have been used by the 1940s big bands,

    I cant see the term being applied to JAZZ? & again I can't recall DAVID JACOBS or PETE MURRY, Chirping in with 'you are tuned to 208 RADIO TELE LUXEMBURG? The station of the TOP'S in POP'S this week #4 is a really nice BEAT BALLARD from the UK EUROVISION WINNER, TEDDY JOHNSON & PEAL CARR, with 'SING LITTLE BIRDIE' or the LATE JIMMY SAVILLE 'NOW THE NOW THEN BOYS AND GALS out there in the range of the GRAND DUCHEY, hear is a great uptempo beat Ballard GUYS & GALS from the ONE & ONLY Mr LITTLE RICHARD with LUCILE -NOW THEN1 NOW THEN!-

    Talk about the records played at the TORCH JUNCTION BLETSOE, by ALAN DAY TONY JEBB or GLEN B, as far as I can recall never used the words, and even the UK first recognised reissue of a popular demand that went to #1, was never ever classed as a Beat Ballard, and before those venue,s did the TWISTED WHEEL DJ use it? I think not, and they played quite a lot of harmony records also a terminology not used, such as the 4 Seasons the Beach Boys?

    So to recap! the term was not used back then, and in 72/3 I recall going through warehouses full of record looking for 100 mph records, and as I skimmed the slowish sounds of my mates head saying it was to slow? not here's another of those rare BEAT BALLARDS OLD CHUM! OH YES IT IS ALL COMEING BACK TO ME NOW, INFACT IT'S SO CLEAR, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, AT WIGAN IN 1978, THAT GREAT RECORD BY FRANKIE VAUGN. OOPS! GEN McDaniels 'walk with a winner' the one that was never played at the Wheel, that's a great sound.

    Yes DAVE it's different bit of a BEAT BALLARD said the top dealers, HOWEVER The story as far as it goes is not until PETE USED THE WORDS TO DESCRIPE MANY RECORDS OF IT'S TYPE, WAS THE FIRST TIME i READ AN IN DEAPH ARTICLE ABOUT IT'S MEANING, EVER IN PRINT, SO AT THIS STAGE AND MOMENT IN TIME, AS FAR AS THE TEARM BEAT BALLARD GOES AND THE CONTEXT IT IS USED, IS THE SAME AS DAVE GODIN PUTTING THE NORTHERN SOUL TERMANOLGY INTO PRINT? AND IT'S HIS BABY, AND SHOULD BE GIVEN RESPECT FOR HIS FORESITE INTO HIS CONTRABUTION TO THE RARE SOUL SCENE!!! THANKS PETE, Dave Kilworth the mouth of truth

    :hatsoff2: HI ALL ....PETE SMITH is yourMAN, As ge listed loads of cover versions of MOTOWN Records in his mag years ago, I can't put it up on this site as there is copyright to his work,

    However anouther Spinners recording by Georgie Fame, Sweet Thing. COLUMBIA UK unreleased, but there are 2 known releases on 45 both are impossible finds, and 1 that although exists, I have doubts on the country, INDIA, so there may be the one country, not to worry as it's on 2 of his LPs, the 4 Tops songs I think are the most covered, but again Pete is the man? :thumbsup: DAVE

    :hatsoff2: HI ALL.....Over the 40+ years of going to soul all-nighters, there have been quite a few changes, some of which I tend to moan about on soulsource, and other that are inevitable,

    The early days from 68 to 72 were great for some of us, who wanted just to get away from the norms and routine Saturday night going out to a Dancehall, even though I had a lot of good nights, doing just that,

    For me the early scene was taboo to most, and thinking about it, most did not even no it existed, as because of it's main core requirements, that most underground scenes have,(if not all) the people who attended them, were all trusted with the old crimanal codes, rule 1, dont GRASS, 2, only tell those who can be trusted, and so on,

    As the All-night Scene, was based around the MOD SCENE & that was based on the WEST INDIAN (Jamaican House Clubs) the purposs remained of it's funcyion & purpose, the main one was a place to go, and use illiciit drugs, at the end of the 60s you could associate what drugs went with certain types of music, like the Jazz clubs in SOHO that I ventured into, like Ronnie Scotts, the drug of choice was Heroin, as the buzz off opiates fits in with how most of the music was played, so typicaly JAZZ is lacking in dramatic break changes and is more sophisticated and almost flat, just like the drug, the Underground music of progresive rock, was based around drugs that alterd the perseption such as LSD, Psychodelia was for all tence and purpose, the death of the Mod scene that was in the main a R&B Scene mixing the music changes from the USA & JA, and was a stimulant based scene, the end of the 60s saw the a regection of most overground music scenes, and depending on the demagraphics most people who were 18 years or younger used many of the MOD traights but were more obsesive in every thing thay did, so REGGAE was in, and in the places where there was no black community so to speak, the obsession off going a lot deeper into the old MOD music, was to be the starting piont,

    So the core ingredeants of the scene was BLACK music & DRUG taking, youths that would poke you in the eye just incase you were thinking or by being in ther vision, All infomation about the scene was by word of mouth, and there is not much evedance today that the youth sub culture of the 68/69 period even existed at all, considering how it is looked back on today, and what goes exist was never captured by the media, only the negative side off this time has been carried foreward, by any actavist who wants, to paint a picture of a right wing sociaty, when it was the complets oppersit, with the media tag SKINHEADS,

    My piont being this if you say to some one the word VEITNAM, It's still veiwed by the vast majority as what the US media prtrayed in every film, nothing about the 35 years of peace that exists in this democratic country?

    So The first massive change was how it started out, the porpose of the scene, and it's almost masonic structure to protect it?

    With the closeing of the Torch in March 73, the underground elietist drug fueled all nighters had gone, within 24 months the whole country was WIGAN NORTHERN SOUL nuts, advertised and spoke about, attended by those who thought it was hip or the youngsters who fely the urge to do what the big lads had done, this was to change the scene, forever, at first it was a bad for people like myself, and the police soon busted me? but for most people on this site it was the long personal journy of what has become there lives, and as such they can offer a differant perspective on the scene, of course I could add loads to this, but again, my grammer and spelling mistakes must make it hard to read for the majority of the time, so again I am sorry for this issue, :g::wicked: DAVE

    :hatsoff2: HI ALL..... The Term as I am concered, is and was used on the NORTHERN SOUL SCENE used for Walk with a winner, not before then, Its nice to pay homage to Les, however the term Norther Soul was not even being used back then? the Drifter was played at the TWISTED WHEEL along with a host of records, that fell away, only to be rediscoverd, for example most UK releases would have been available to the Wheel DJs however if we take a look at 2 lables $TATESIDE & CAMEO PARKWAY, Mst were played, however RUFUS LUMLEY, HOAGY LANDS, CHUBBY CHECKER 'JUST DON'T NO' were not,

    Indeed the word BEAT BALLARD was used in the music world going back to the 1940's by the BIG BAND sound, GLEN MILLER JOE LOSS, as for records like Jimmy Radcliffe, They are better known as enders on thhe Northern Soul Scene, and that catogary has some bizzare records in it to finish the night on, proberbly back in the late 60s the most common ender was Booker T & MG's Green Onions, however Fats Domino Keeps Rainin, was the TORCH ENDER, And in HITCHIN at the DIVE BAR, The DJ Billy MAC would always end the night with Every one go home?? WIGAN had it's 3 before 8, thanks to DAVE EVERSON, and it has become almost impossible to play any of the 3, in a set at any other time then at the end of the night,,

    In some way, I do believe that as a descriptive word, to describe certain soul records, would have been lpst, if PETE SMITH, had not used it in the right context, and as I can't think of anyone apart from PETE who stapled the words into the RARE SOUL SCENE, Lke Mr Godins Northern Soul, Petes use of BEAT BALLARS as used on the scene, was first put down in print by PETE SMITH,

    As such, thats how the OXFORD DICTIONARY would use it as a definition? unless there is an early referance printed??/

    :g: DAVE

    :hatsoff2: HI ALL....Below is what the origanal issue looks like, any other recording of this classic is not worth much with exception orig US DEMO, UK DEMO & ISSUE, This copy should cost about £20+?

    However it is well worth picking up as most people dont have a copy?? :shhh: DAVE

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    :hatsoff2: HI ALL...Personally, I think that it has become inevitable, that as the old NORTHERN SOUL SCENE, Got the TAG of naffness! from some collectors, who when back in the days, realised that the Top sounds were no longer found in junk shops, flea markets and even in racks in the local news agent or CO-OP, And the only way to get into the rare record aspect of the scene, and directed focus on 70s & 80s stuff, it is and was a certainty, that for a period of time, some classic Northern records sat in boxes for far to many years,

    And we have seen certain records that were soul pack finds or easy to pick up, Betty Swan 'kiss' on Atlantic was common and a good record, another easy record that even now amazes me that it shot up so out of the blue, 'Stanky day off' went from £1 to £100? if that makes sense, at the same time I saw touch my heart sell at £50 :g: if you no the logic behind that, sorry I don't, but, for the majority of records that were played in 72 to 75 are now all worth £40+ KEITHS right to sit on records like merry go round, as he like me and you who have the record it was a cheap record with a price tag 25 years ago, how many are out there in peoples boxes, again not many, also I remember quite a few copies in the Wolves area back then , maybe MAX NEIL PEP Mr T SHOPS got them from Anderson? but they were not as common elsewhere?

    Finally if you played young people those classics in the conditions as you first had heard them, and put the same people in the same conditions as you here the stuff played to day, it is obvious what would be the favoured type to listen to, :wicked: DAVE

    :hatsoff2: HI ALL, ...Although I never used the wordage 'Beat Ballard' myself, in the 70s, it describes certain records perfectly, whether it is being performed, by(not trying to be political correct, here more as how music was viewed in the 60s) a white,or black, artist solo. or as a group, and as we all use the tag now, it started to be used more in the 80s,

    The bench mark is Phil Specter's 'Wall of Sound' and it was created to compete with 'MOTOWN',

    SPECTORS use of the multi track overdub, was not his creation, It however was capitalized on 50s Country due LES PAUL & MARY FORD, ALL SPECTOR did was apply it to every thing, my favourite example of Specter perfection, is the Ronettes 'walking in the rain'

    and the Riotous Bros 'you lost that lovin feeling,

    :thumbsup: The 1st record on the scene to be recognised as such, Gene McDaniel's 'walk with a winner' late 77 Discovery, early 78 saw this record go massive, so Pete's bang on, and I am surprised Ady C, did not agree with Pete, nothing says he has to? But I was with Ady, Mick S & 2 others? at WIGAN, when Pete And, had 6 mint copies on UK liberty, I paid £7, for my copy as it had a crack,

    the next record was Barbara McNair 'your gonna love my baby'. since them as I say most artist who got a chance to record a LP, is they recorded a Beat Ballard, for it, :ohmy: DAVE

    The 1st BEAT BALLARD, ON THE SCENE??

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    :hatsoff2: HI ALL As I am not as expert, as you 2 Wolverhampton lads, I also have noticed the price rise? maybe we are looking right back to the 70s as a bench marks, or it.'s a case that we got copies from the right people or they come our way before reaching others? but they are all classics, I have not looked at RANKING JOHNNY BOYS AUCTION, to-night but 2 of these were for sale and I bet you would price them the same as me, the rarest not money wise is the DELCOS 1st press as over the years I have seen loads of RED COPIES. VALUE PLEASE? :ohmy: DAVE

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