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HI I COLLECT ALL THAT STUFF, and have a few wants, if you have a list I can price them up for you as a dealer will not give much, and if you have something I can give a better deal, as a collector I have a few spares of most stuff, however I am after BLUES& SOUL #2 I WILL PM YOU DAVE

HI STEVE Don't get me wrong mate, I am almost 100% in agreement, I have just used your article, as a platform for others, who may think it's a cool thing to do, and personally we have all been let down, but although our mate might muck people around and has mucked you about, I was pointing out, if for some reason it was me being named for that, I would be tempted to bury at least 10 hole of DM up your arse? no not really, however if you have had records stolen or worse a DJ BOX?? as I have, you really feel gutted and low and then you. well I would have got great pleasure from inflicting pain that would last a lifetime, I don't like the trend of name and shame, if any one has an issue and cant sort it, you have the contact of someone who can sort it for you?

you understand nothing personal, mate. as always DAVE & ASSOCIATES IN DEBTS AND UNSEEN ASAILANTS ,

HI ALL .... As the STAX LABEL, Was the label of proper soul, when I left school in 1967 and one of my 1st records that Io got was Eddie Floyd's classic 'things get better', what a great record, I can recall being at the BOWES LYONN CENTRE in Stevenage New Town, (as featured in the film, here we go round the mulberry bush) in fact I will get around to places like Stevenage and how this London over spill new town was so influential on MOD culture, that it even get credits on the back sleeve of the WHO'S QUADRAPHINIA, many bands like the WHO KINKS SMALL FACES and all types such as GENO. JIMMY JAMES, and it's music policy was very close to the TILES CLUB & FLAMINGO,

The most impressive part of going to 'BOWES' and may surprise some of you, this was just the YOUTH CLUB, one of the regular DJ Freddie Mac, who also used to DJ at the KAYSER BONDOR BLUE ROOM,

in BALDOCK again being to young but my elder sister orig MOD girl, saw many top groups their including the ROLLING STONES for 5/6d, SO IT;S A MOD MOD MOD MOD WORLD,

Getting back to this thread, UK STAX is a great label to collect if you like soul, and on my shelf along with all the other Cd's that never get played, I found this set of 6, titled STAX CHARTBUSTER Vol 1-6

And they have a price of 2 x £5 on the back, there is an excellent set of records on them , as I have all the UK RELEASES From the BLUE STAX, EMI STAX. AND BACK TO POLYDOR, THE CD SET IS well worth picking up

Before I forget a great bloke who used to pest me for GREEN & BLUE DEMOS from MOTOWN and the RED DEMO AND THE PURPLEISH STAX DEMOS back in 1977, he must of been the 1st to have all off them at the time, this great bloke was NEV WHERRY, if you got know NEV you will no his passion for collecting UK records, I still miss the man, but never forget him NEV.er! DAVE

HI IAN...Reading through all your replies, to each & everyone who have sent you their sincere remarks about Helen and about yourself, I find your resolve courage love & conviction to wards Helen absolutely wonderful, .. as Thursday will soon be here, just in case we don't have any in depth conversations for myself your loss and our loss, has made me more aware of how I would cope,

not very well I think, as when Sir Dave Rimmer went through his loss, who also showed similar qualities as your self,

If you ever feel like kicking the cat, please feel free to project that stuff on myself and not those who are to close, it would be good to see you HARPO & MICK and all those who have you and Helen in their thoughts this week, for a follow up night for you, and your contribution not only to the Wolverhampton Soul Scene but as a Pioneer of the scene that is recognised around the world today,

RIGHT ON BROTHER PEP, RIP SISTER HELEN, The FAITH is KEPT.

AS ALWAYS

DAVE KILWORTH

HI ALL....Steve could you explain what are the pit falls as a seller on EBay? this is just an enquiry into what the realistic expectations of selling on the EBay site. As we all are aware of the basic principles of EBay and the use of FEEDBACK to make the EBay community aware of issues that may cause buyer or seller problems?

Why am I asking? simply as a buyer only on EBay, 99% has been with dealers who sell records, that I would like to obtain for my personal use, I have made over 1000 purchases, since joining. and my feedback score is 100%, and I have yet to give anyone a negative feedback,

As like most people who use SOULSOURCE have experience of buying rare records, at club/venue level, personally my experience as a seller of records at venues goes back to 1973, at WIGAN & BLACKPOOL MECCA, The rules of selling back then, had to be asserted on the to any potential buyer, as the scene is based around rare records, the rules that I used were as follows,

1, always keep your eyes on the record box, 2, intersect only with buyer on specific issues relating to his/her purchase, (many a block head, will ask 100 questions about every thing, but the record he has waving about in his hands), 3, never allow people to grab a handful of records, when more than 2 people are looking through your box, 4, Always have another person with you, as you only have 2 eyes, 5, be cautious in letting individuals who make impossible requests from you, as this is a common way to distract you, and your focus on your box, 6, Forget all the Right ON Soul Brother stuff, many records are stolen, even record boxes, in many cases to order? 7, never lend records ever? 8, don't be out of head while selling?

As you are a seller, what is it that does not work, as far as I can see, and forgive me if I am wrong, someone is either late or changed their minds about a purchase from you? This can be easy rectified by including a rule on transaction,

As a seller you surely expect the issue of non payment to crop up regularly, so you should again have a policy about this, in a straight forward statement. you don't want to lose potential custom.

To conclude I do understand the frustrations that sellers go through, also that a seller is 10x more likely to receive negative feedback, to help with this I try to pay for my purchases within 12 hours of the end of auction, however there have been times when this has not happened,

If there was a reason, that I could not make contact with the seller after 14 days, and the seller used another web site to discuss issues that could be very private but decremental to my character I would be well annoyed, and would take the matter further, especially if it's about non payment? as you have not lost anything as such, a sales deal perhaps, but can you imagine if sales people around the world named and shamed an individual for a non sale??

The name and shame policy should only be used for known people who commit proven crimes, non payment is not a crime is it??

or is it the principle of the matter DAVE K

HI ALL.....Mentioned before my best was a UK A&M DEMO - Ron Keith 99p. 250-70s/80s Disco records £9.99 Great! stuff?

ROSCO ROBINSON - PYE INT-'That's enough', mint £15 loads of stuff really a few weeks ago £17 Young Holt - 'Whack Whack- Brunswick DEMO Minty, BBC TRANSCIPTION DISK - MOTOWN VA MINT £4.99,

However i have made 3 or 4 cock up they did not cost much, but I really thought I was having it off when I got in from the Pub years back as I don't have more than 5 pints a year now?? JAMES BOUNTY- Prove yourself a lady & MVP's turning my heartbeat up? both looked right when I bid on them? I even got more excited when I found out what the MVP's fetched, and the CLAUDETTE 'SKINHEAD A BASH EM'! WHITE LABLE JA PRESS, £22 I PAID, many people got caught out on this when it 1st appeared on EBay someone paid over £100 many sold over £50 I was lucky that no one else bid on it?

Never have a drink before going on EBay? DAVE K

HI I take it that you are not talking about 'PERCY' the trusty one eyed trouser snake? that was the favourate pet of Bazza Humhries, the Diggerdebian, famouse for thunder chunder into the mighty PACIFIC, Following a afternoon of FOSTER TUBES on BONDI Beach, strooth mate! what are you POMI BAZZAS talking about snakes for? ain't you got any Sheilas that PERCY can hide in for hour tonight????

DAVE K

Its the Cheerleaders on RCA Acetate, saw it listed on a playlist from the US contacted they guy & he had sold it to a collector in the UK

never heard it.

Ian

HI i HAVE READ ABOUT THIS VERSION? DOES IT EXIST??

Also i must mention that the rarest version is 'what shall I do' on UK PHILIPS.

HI ALL If it's not Singapore, as they did press records as said, but they also imported from INDIA or the Philapines, however it's strange that it;s not written on the label, how about this big YATE sound? value? but must be above the UK ISSUE? DAVE

Hi over the years I have had many records that for whatever reason, that have ended up in boxes, that have not been played in some cases for years, only to find that a DJ is playing the record and it has become indemand, this is so true for some of the great soul records that are sung by Jamaican artists, and totally ignored on the rare soul scene, except Jackie Edwards & Jimmy Cliff,

One record that comes to mind that had been in my box of pre 68 Jamaican records was Glen Miller, I always liked the record, but quite clearly along with many records I have played Mick Smith he would after 10 seconds lift the needle of and give me the stare of mentor to pupil as to why this was I can only guess, but when it got played, who would ever have thought that the record would be so popular, it took me by surprise as it become a good earner, as I took to the phone and rang all the collectors of JA music and even got the 1st STAG copy for £30 of a well known dealer in NOTTS, who only got wind of the that it was breaking into the Northern scene.

Actually I could have sold it for more than I did, but it went to a good guy Ady Lipton. but better still I sold it in front of Mick, and gave him £5O as I used his time and stall at Keele, Just to say you could of had at least 4 copies of me 2 years ago for that price?

As we are all aware that music whether it's rare or just in demand has a fickle market place, as again a few months back on this site I offer a JAMES WALSH issue that did not sell? and Pete sold a DEMO for around £50, OK so many people got a pressing of it? but a few weeks ago, John Manship got £110 for a DEMO? I can't make sense of it all except that John got about the right price, for such a rare record, not an inflated price that some people thinks that he gets?? who cares, at the end of the day you sell at your peril, DAVE

£10 - £20

HI ALL It's a shame (no pun intended) but have to agree with Pete on the value of this one, Personally as far as cover versions go, I enjoy the backing track, but the record itself fails for several reasons, 1, Micheal Cox, was out of his comfort zone of what he had previously recorded, with the great Joe Meek, at RGM who was the master of TIN PAN ALLEY, bit sadly recognised that once Merseybeat had hit the pop chart with cover versions of black music from the states, his genius production ways, were not required,

If we compare Meeks work rate and input, to the owner of NEMS and the success that Brian Epstein was having with the act that he had signed for NEMS, Meek must of got depressed that the big success of Epstian was his non involvement with his acts,

As such it must of also hurt that Epstian, had found the talented GEORGE MARTN, who had his own label PARLAPHONE, which was part of EMI, as Joe Meek was independent with RGM much of his product was issue through both EMI & DECCA,

This was so significant, as Meek had to book studio time for all his acts George Martin could fit all of Epstians work in as he controlled the studio,

2. What makes 1 record of more value than another? well taste is one, but more to the point is if we look at another MOTOWN cover version, this was the discovery by Pete Smith of Ben Browns cover of Just ask the lone;y, it's discovery took as far as I aware all hard core collectors by surprise, as not only was it a good record, it was not a like for like copy of a classic, in particular was the vocal of the record, the producer must have recognised that Ben's voice as a solo singer would make a significant change to the recordingm Cox's cover was delivered in such a manor his Irish accent made him sound like he was lead vocalist in a irish showband, a style of music that was never popular in the UK, and if we do a direct comparison with Irish singer Ray Merrel, you will gear the difference of how Cox should of sung on the recording.

3,For collectors of UK uptempo or beat ballads that no matter how good, they are in competition with many great US records, and to make the situation worse, because the wrong DJ played the very worst example of UK product at the WIGAN CASINO, Many pureists on the scene have been scared by what happened by playing rubbish, and the consequence that it took the talents from seriouse UK collectors to take over the DJing to re establish the UK product, as such a new demand for collecting UK releases come back into being popular, but to this day only a small amount have made it big on the scene,

4. Micheal Cox cover was one of the 1st Bach of records that most collectors would put in their collections but was apart from a few plays never seen as a record to DJ with, However the Ben Brown Cover was recognised across the board as a Northern record and as such is still in demand, but for some reason it's full value and potential I believe has yet to be reached, so even this version can be picked up for under £40, and dealers in UK soul will give £20 tops for a mint copy, this is one reason unless I get a spare copy, that I hate partying with records, and another reason for some collectors just focused on collecting the top records only, rather than collecting soul records in the way it was, added to that the fact that the impact of CD have had since the 80s.

5, to conclude, I like the record and it is good enough to keep if you are a collector, as a dealer it has not got much value, if you follow Pete Smiths NEW SITE dedicated to all UK products and you are new to collecting as time goes by, you will see how diverse the collecting scene is with rare UK prices, and many times you may feel that the prices given are not in keeping with your own valuation, however in cases like this one you have to go along with what value the dealers put on a record as you will not get a explanation for every record like I have given, DAVE K

HI ALL, As a collector of SOUL released in the UK. Many collectors like to own the origanal DEMO, also for myself, I also get pleasure in finding and owning, the more popular records from the period 1967 to 1975, so for example the TAMLA-MOTOWN hits from the time especialy, even those that were reissues of early rarer issues, I prefer to own on a GREEN & WHITE DEMO.

So with that in mind, could anyone confirm, that the Delfonics DEMO that i have scanned is more rarer than the useual black DEMO, The silver is the 1st copy of the classic, but I always see the black DEMO,

But have been told that the black demo is rarer!? as this cant be so in my book, I put it to you, for clarrification DAVE

HI ALL Some of the US records I use to have,, 'burning bush' was a hard find in the 70s I would pick that William Bonny love love love,

HOWEVER A FEW UK SCANS FOR YOU, One of the biggest mercury records ever to played in SOHO & Massive at the TILES CLUB & a TOP MOD ALL-NIGHT SOUND, BIG AT THE WHEEL ALSO,

Was Keith 8 96.8, it's good to have you home again oh baby, oh how I love my baby, massive record,

^{HI ALL This is a good thread, as yet I have only read Pete's starting page, and immediately thought out off all the records, why does he not like SUZY SERANADE??}

^{The more I read this type of remark? I have to wonder, what is not to like about it, as it would justify the reason, and not for speculative replies, or agreement that it's had it's day,?}

^{There could only be 1 reason not to like it, you did not hear it when it was a top TORCH SOUND, You have got it so wrong Pete, top sound played to the in crowd, nice dancer, when dancing meant putting spins splits & backdrops to the breakers in the beat or a tempo lift, this was a great spin, and the flip, is the standard 'after hours' and I am sure that there was a vocal to it?}

^{Back to the point, the thread could be a variation on 'the Strange World of Northern Soul' which is in no particular order 1, always box clever about anything, this used to irritate me in the early days, of the scene, when at Blackpool Mecca the real know it all paradise, when you had to own a special top sound to be acknowledged, as at one time, as I was trying to remember a tune, so I could go to Contempos and by it for 85p, was the cover up, also we must not forget at the junction mecca torch cats, a high percentage of the records were less than 2 years old many were current, so my first choice in this thread goes to all the cover up records, 2 records in particular both played buy KEITH M at the TORCH #1 a record i am sure was cover up as Otis smith, I really loved the record and when MICK S offered me it for £1.50 I was really chuffed #2 again was to my block head a great tune, £1.50 of MICK ,, when I got home I naturally wanted to find out who or what was written on the label? A 55p RECORD. THE OTHER WAS HARTBREAKER HONEY END ON SPARK/}

Hi all and thanks Mick for pluing the excellant B side, of the great merry go round, and I to fully endorse this side, making the record a must for any box, and it's also a pisure to read that this record still turns you on? it certainly would be in mt top 200, was this a CATS play 1st? DAVE

HI JOHN Yes you are right, and as I have said much of the ISLAND story has been told, I am only trying to answer the question about the A stamped SUE copies that some people are mistaken, as DEMO copies, my thread was just a bit of background and not meant to be a comprehensive peace, only to point out that in my opinion there were no SUE DEMOS,

On the subject of records given to DJ that in my opinion also has little foundation, as I freely admit my 1st hand knowledge about this subject comes from the years 1969 & onwards when myself and 2 mates would travel around different outlets that distributed ISLAND products and also PAMA & JA IMPORTS and at every outlet, I can recall the sound man, in this case Aston Williams, had to haggle over each exclusive pre release, they were not given as freebies, this haggling is very much a part of JA culture, if you have ever tried to buy records of a Jamaican you will understand what I mean, you can take weeks trying to get records of them, Years in some cases,

I can tell you now where a collection of 60s 70s SKA. ROCK STEADY & REGGAE are in there cases, ALEX's Barber Shop, on the SOHO Rd, go and get them from the old man? if you think you can just do dealings the white man way?

SUE RECORDS were only given free to certain CLUBS and not to DJ unless the person who distributed them gave a couple away with an order, However all I am trying to ascertain, is my findings right, is there a DJ who can say that he was on a mailing list and received SUE RECORDS prior to the release & did they look different to the issue?

Also it would be good to have another thread on the sort of info that you put forward as it is of interest to many readers, thanx

HI ALL Trying to write a history of a company, that started in 1959 and has run through 5 decades with 100s of releases, in a page, is not the easy thing to take on, is it? and to receive 3 0r 4 word replies adds little, the company decision to change was in 1966, the fact that the red & white label was still used in 68 is true, but they used the new catalogue numbering and then got rid of the label in favour of the pink label, which also had slight changes to it over a shot period?

My piece was trying to find a definitive answer to the question of ISLAND RECORDS demonstration records that had a regular release?

As yet I have not come across any run of records that had a demo that looked significantly different to the actual issue,

Those that do are clearly promotional demos such as the Jimmy Cliff Vietnam, as the cover info states it is limited to 200 copies,

The white label TROJAN Records that exist are or were at the time available to buy at the MUSIC CITY shops, as were other white UK JA UK pressed records such as the FAB BLANKS, PAMA BLANKS, These records although nice to own are not promotional or demo copies in the context of my article, and are more in line with the stuff that GOLDMINE put out, in fact at least Goldmine made an attempt at making the records look different, however for the amount of demo made, How many of you were on the Goldmine list to receive any of their records 6 weeks in advance of them issuing a release?

No I am far from a expert on this, I am just trying to get to a point that we all agree on, not for people to point out my mistakes. but to add information that can be used, that has not been available or published in books fanzines etc,

TO CONCLUDE I am stating that there are no SUE DEMOS, Never was, however there are SUE RECORDS that have stamped marks that were put on ISSUE or STOCK copies to identify the side to play, And that is what I hope this ARTICLE CAN ANSWER??? DAVE

HI IAN Yes indeed she was special, as I wrote in the other post, on reading you thoughts of love for Helen, it not only bought tears to my eyes, it also made me smile? I remember back in the mid 70s when my mate Mick Smith and myself were DJ ING IN BEDFORD, back then Mick used to pass me his records and I would play them, sounds strange now, but his reasons were, at the time an integral part of traveling north was the DJ as they to us were part of the ambiance of the scene, and he could not relate a cockney voice linking a record, and although Tony Jebb and Keith become close freinds, we always rated you as the top DJ, even though we could not understand a word you said, so your remarks are a true translation and are so meaningful,

As I said before it was thanks to both of you that I found my way back on the scene, and the venture of the BLACK HORSE good days,

thoughts of HELEN I have one special one, it was the black & white vidio that I orderd for Marie, the film was the one about every time a bell ring an angel gets their wings, Helen like many back then did not no the film, so she orderd a copy forherself, I remember her delight in thanking me for it become her favourate film also, so I am making a request for BOBBY WELLS BE'S THAT WAY SOMETIME to be played for HELEN and she will then get her wings,

As always respect for you both, love MICK & DAVE

HI ALL My copies that I sold at the VIC in Wolves were on orange DRUM never seen it on FURY SHE SAID GOODBYE?

DAVE

HI ALL Especially those people who have a love for collecting 60s UK Vinyl. This part 2 of the long running saga, of what was put out by the ISLAND RECORD in the 60s, that could be classed as a true company PROMO or DEMO,

Now as a bench mark, as a definition of a DEMO/PROMO I have for the sake of drifting away from the pioneer, and what I feel 99% of SOULSOURCE readers will accept, is how collectors have a understanding of how the mager's approached the issue in the 60s, my focus in the main has to keep to the 60s as this is the area that needs more explanation, even though it is pretty straight forward,

Although I have spent the week, thinking about this, I have used as reference to help me, the following.

MANSHIPS GUIDE TO RARE UK, Pete Smiths excellent listing & forerunner to the previous, and also to improve on the excellent FINDAGROOVE Price Guide, Pete Smiths Beatin Rhythm #1 - 10, essential and comprehensive set of fanzine type booklets, also original ISLAND CATOLOGES, ACTION CAT, ISLAND B&C CAT. SOUL CITY SHOP CAT. AND BLUES & SOUL MONTHLY MAG 1 - 23 TO COLATE INFO'

At this time and what I can say for fact, is I can only find 3 example out of all the releases from 1960 onwards, this is not to say there are not more, it is also most important, that to make my point, it is excepted as fact the ISLAND RECORDS was an independent company, however it was backed by a large DUTCH parent company especially for product production & manufacturing, PHILIPS, This has already been discussed on SOULSOURCE,

It is true to state that for much of the 60s, Philips stopped manufacturing white label DEMOS, once the 45 RPM record had taken over from the 78 RPM record, this crossover period covered the years from 1954 - 1960, when the last 78s for the UK market ended, again I have seen a BEATLES PLEASSE PLEASE ME on a PARLOPHONE 78 from 1963 also told that a CAPITAL 78 OF A 65 BEACH BOYS EXISTS?

Who am I to say it does not, but it is guaranteed, I suspect made for the Subcontinent?

Assuming that I am correct? this policy of no Demos on any o f the company's manufacture records, would include the ISLAND RECORD Co, as we are aware there are factory samples of all Philips/Fontana records, with SANPLE painted on in a yellow paint, and some have a sticker FACTORY SAMPLE NOT FOR SALE on the label, however never found this on any of the ISLAND group of labels?

Also as discussed before, ISLAND RECORDS had a history of making records that had been dubbed from a US or JA RECORD, and also relevant was the spurious licensing deals, through out the 60s? and also strange is how records that should have been issue on SUE are on ISLAND, and a small amount of non US records come out on SUE? and even more odd are the couple of records that were issued as promotional giveaways for company get togethers, so that's 2 ISLAND R&W PROMOS, that have no interest in having, unless you have it for sale or to complete a collection, as they are rare, my tip is don't buy them? the same can be said for the LPs on ISLAND, (on ISLAND means they have the ILPS Prefix< not the label) So to colect all the LPs you will need the Rugby songs LPs and so on,

Most of the 60s ISLAND records would not have any demos as the DJs were given the JA pre release, as to-day most DJs like to play records exclusive to them, so this is anouther sound reason of not having UK DEMOS DUKKE VIN would never play a sound that COUNT SHELLY was playing, however unique to JA music was for every lets say record to be released in the UK, there are many versions of the rythem that a sound man would play,

Evein the early 80s this was essential to the Jamaican music buisness,, and is a very important asect of Reggae music, which is based on rythems, going back to mento and SKA, again the most famouse early stuff is by SKATALITES, and BUSTERS BAND both had top musicions playing very indervidueal unique styles, in 1981 lovers rock was the to sound and had been for 3 years, however I heard a record while walking home in BLAKENHAL and thought it was a great sound, over the week I kept on hearing it, so I went to SUMMIT Records said to the bloke I want a record but dont no who it's by, "I could hear the sucking of teeth, and Babalon muttering" bloke said that could be anything, so I hummed the Rythem to him and the onlookers, and the mans face grinned, what verion do you want SPA as there are over 100?

to many you may know the rythem as the backing to "under my sleng teng" a minor hit, over the next month I had 40 x 2 differant versions? amazing,

When ISLAND launched the soul label SUE, again the contract was with Juggy Jones and that story is well known, and there were no demos also discussed was the black mark, as ISLAND sent the music to the demographic that it appealed to. The catalouge was distrubuted in small batches, to cater for the West Indian populus and also at the MOD clubs in 5 citys, these are I believe some of the ones that had the A stamped the records with the shop logo or the 3/- price was simmular to the us 45s with a drill hole and were classed as old stock, again easy mistaken by the soul market as a demo, because of the fact that they only had a few outlests,

Again I have written about the way ISLAND & SUE went about the way deals were made, and when Guy Stevens left ISLAND, and Blues & Soul man John Abbey took over the label & the frustrations of DAVE GODIN had after he pionted out the goings on, the other week,

However it was at this time the ISLAND RECORD group joined with B&C RECORDS, SUE record ended, along with the R&W Bow tie label. Action label was developed by John Abbey, but the real change was how the Jamaican Music was handled by B&C the launch of TROJAN RECORDS in 1967 issued classic music from DUKE REID not that we noticed at the time, When the Soul label Action was Launched in 68, B&C relaunched TROJAN - DUKE REID and then added more labels, also they issued some BLAK UK Pressed Pre release, again this is the nearest you will get to a DEMO.

The ACTION Label issued advanced copys with the famouse skelington capitol A on I class these as DEMOs as there are very few of them, however they are all on stock copys, B&C did use the A but these are very had to locate as they were sent to a very small number of white DJs who played to the inner city kids black & white to capture the new Skinhead Rude Boy sub culture, however they quickly dispended that idea and repromoted the most popular records through buget LPs TIGHTEN UP Vol 1-10 and by putting the 45s in a great sleeve. most of all the history of ISLAND can be sort out on a few books, but the YOUNG GIFTED & BLACK BOOK is worth getting even though the auther has put skinhead on nearly every page???

oh the 3 proper Demos were the ISLAND pressed BLACK & WHITE SOUL CITY RECORDS,

These demo make the GESTALT as PHILIPS 6 FONTANA started to issue B&W DEMOS at the same time??? if any one has a simular DEMO on any other 60s label please show, also ALL the BLACK AND GREEN ACTION LABEL that EMI Distributed have there company DEMO stuff on ad come out in the 70s

AS ALWAYS DAVE K

Good morning fellow Soul Sourserers ..................

What's a mint minus Jackie Lee - Darkest days on ABC issue going for nowadays ?

Answers on a postcard...................

thanks

Hi all The 68 Issue is much rarer than you think, and the DEMO is even rarer, a nice copy of the 68 copy is£100+ however the 71 copy I would put at £40, Orig DEMO, is £££ don't no? DAVE

https://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1423.l2648

BEING PADANTIC SOMETIMES, Just goes over my head, the point is there are more Black than maroon, I would rather own that copy for £10 than spend money on a £3 record, however some people will be palming of the black copy this weekend no doubt?

DAVE

There has always been money to be made out of the scene, from record dealing, product dealing, door admissions, clothes, DJing, etc.

Who made the most money? Promoters, record dealers, product dealers, DJs ?

I'm not against it in most cases, as a demand is satisfied, but has anybody actually got rich from it?

Considering most venues close eventually, it hard to think promoters are rolling in it? What about the others?

Ed

Hi All....I think this is a great question, To be honest those people who have made money on the scene, are just the average people in all walks of society, who act on instinct when creating any work, they see an opening or as I would say a gap in service provision, and don't just think about what a good idea or wouldn't be nice if we had this? they act on the opportunity, and the secure knowledge that only 5% of the population, waits to be told or finds life easy working for others, rather then take on any risks,

The most successful are those people who clearly had a understanding of business and the foresight to have a realistic business plan.

Again a very high percentage of the population have poor husbandry skills and will plan no further than 5 weeks ahead, this is normal because the majority do it this way,

To make a living from our scene has aways been that special touch that our scene has, a personal touch if you like, for example if you went to a big live concert, those people selling artifacts poster and so on mean nothing to us, they are just 1 of thousands of people that we will never meet, unlike our scene were everyone is include from the promoter the door staff the brothers & sisters the record dealers also the drug dealers,

If you have been to see any act on the scene, you will notice that their performance is 100% more than average, this is because they are swept of their feet with and buy the scene, A good example was when the DELLS did Trentham Gardens, it was clear to me and Evey one including the band and DELLS that it was the best vibe they had got for many years, also the transparency I remember speaking to Tamiko Jones who was so over whelmed about the scene she just talked in depth for over 30 min before I could ask her a question?

The record dealers on the scene have even got their followers and very loyal they are to, this is because they are very much a part of the scene, and what I like is they just expanded the way the scene run at the start, with most who attended taking a few records to show off, or sell, it's rare that there is an outward conflict with other dealers?

To conclude those who have made a living like Ranking John Manship have done so at the price of giving a whopping big chunk into keeping the scene going, years ago I made money keeping the scene alive through out the night, however this way of making money, well for me had to many hard penalties to it, and money was not appreciated and wasted, so record selling is safe and integral, and I am glad that the scene has this provision, DAVE

Wonder what the reaction to a "top" dj dropping this in his set would be? one of those had to be there sounds unless it was of course at the 100 club always was the place to throw a real surprise tune out although having not been there for a hundred years may well have changed?

Although knowing Days and Micks great sense of mischief maybe not

Heard Kieth Money play Walking up a one way street last year in Leipzig-Blew me away

Steve

back on subject ...................Hugo Montenegro -In the jungle babe..........Now that's a storming instrumental

Hi well you have hit the nail on the head however you have it the wrong way round, as there is more chance that a failed 70s Disco 45 being played, it is as clear as mud, the Northern Soul scene has been ripped apart by inferior Dance music, the best or most of the Best 70s records were payed under the banner as Northern? and the people who go on about CROSSOVER & MODERN SOUL have as I say destroyed the ambiance that Northern,

For me it will be a Northern Scene that will always have the quality sound of the 60s if you look back at the 15 years of all music that was played in the USA UK & on the continent from 1956 yo 1971 and look back the last 15 years, the ever changing assortment of music progressed and most were aimed at the here and now, the Motown beat was even in the Pink Floyd records, DISCO never made it and as I say the best was called Northern, I love records like SUPERTIME so would young people so lets play them all again, I hated the crap Disco scene, and loved the Northern scene, why these DJs impose there stuff on others heave knows, reading SOULSOURCE and some of the threads, shows me again that many people have not had the opportunity of the authentic divers madness and contradiction of the scene DAVE

Or was it "Diamond Hard Those Apples Of The Moon".....?

Ian D

Ian as Pete S will tell you I like TOADY BOY am going through a real hard time, so much so I let a few of my POP demos go, the Thoughts of emily on a imiediate red A demo went to Mick, he also had Barry Ryann ELOISE DEMO, a great pop record to end the 60s and set a new standard for the 70s, I then shut the lid on him when he pulled out SPIRIT IN THE SKY DEMO, HURDY GURDY MAN PYE DEMO, AND THIS WHEELS ON FIRE BLANK, It was to painful, over he last 40 years or so, some of the junk shop finds and how cheap I let them go for I had HOLY HOLY & MEMORY/ PRETIEST STAR MERCURRY DEMOS FOR 25np, even Pete Smith has not had them?? thinking about it he has but not hat cheap, I am sure he also had Lisa Jane the Lower Third, which no one has had

HI HO SILVER LINING DEMO, any wolves fans a must have for £110, very rare, by the way give my record of the day a spin please?