Pete S

This topic has just gone mental so here was the original question: Which Era Supplies the Best Newies Of Today ? The answer is: the 60's unless anyone can actually provide proof that it's not...like share with us an 80's discovery that's better than, I don't know, The Group featuring cecil washington

Don't worry, they'll leave you alone if I'm still on the topic, you watch. Soon as I go off to have my tea, watch your back!

Sorry to be picky but wasn't it STUDIO 54 not Studio 57?

No problem

Well they certainly did at The Wheel. Why would they have played them at the other venues when there were thousands of 60's sides around and R&B was three decades away?

All 'soul' music was called rhythm and blues until about 1964.

Good grief!

I like wooden blocks being banged together and washboards too. Don't like synthesisers on "soul" records.

Oh yes, and what have you got against spoons then?

Yes but it doesn't, does it, otherwise we'd hear 90% 70's+ and 10% 60's and not vice versa. Why do people such as yourselves and Paul Sadot always have to use words like "luddite" against anyone who disagrees with you? People hear this stuff, decide it's not for them, and stick with what they know. That doesn't mean they CAN'T moce on to other stuff, it means they don't want to. And what's wrong with that? Why change something that's not broken just for your own selfish purposes - I like this therefore everyone should seems to be what some of you are saying.

Now this really does make me laugh considering the appalling way you treated and spoke to Ian Levine...bigoted isn't half of it.

Blimey, nobody is saying people shouldn't or can't prefer 70's, 80's, 90's soul, but it's just a totally different genre of music to what most people consider to be Northern Soul, thats all. And yes, I did say MOST.

Opportunity for what?

Well those are great records and there are hundreds like them but there are countless thousands of sub-standard works from the same period that are now classed as "northern" - all these crossover records for a start - and the fact is that a lot of people just can't relate to these type of records but can relate to the music's original source - Rhythm & Blues.

No, a venue, not a playgroup meeting.

I sell what people want to buy Paul, that's why I sold almost everything on my list today, if I sold obscure newies only I wouldn't have been able to do what I'm doing for so long, so I think I've probably got it right. Your capree record is f*cking awful, I said that when you posted it 2 years ago. People danced to Bryan Hyland, it didn't mean it was any good. And you can try and insult me all you like, your opinion means absolutely nothing so why waste your time doing it?

Ah here he comes, thinks he's got someone he can pick on now. It's not my fault if you haven't got a clue what constitutes northern soul Paul. Where are all these fantastic discoveries then? These ultra obscure things you keep banging on about which nobody else has ever heard of, never get played anywhere and have as much chance of "going big" as I do of being president of the Green party? The 70's that used to get played at those venues you mention, which you probably pretend you went to, were in the main uptempo 4/4 dancers. Not funk or crossover.

Well I asked the person who bought the record if he'd like the sleeve and he said yes so I gave it him.

It was actually with the item below but I believe 100% that it was not originally with that item!

It'll wash cleaner than your analogy that 70's soul is more akin to the classic 60's soul though. I just can't see it, sorry, and the litmus test is that IF it did relate to 60's soul, then I would immediately open my ears to it and like it wouldn't I, which is what automatically happens when I hear a 60's sounding record. When I hear a 70's sounding record, I just shut down because the elements that make great 60's soul music have been replaced by something else. One of your examples, the O'Jays "Love Train" has absolutely nothing in common with 60's styles whatsoever, nothing - apart from the vocalists. n.b. this is in fact akin to you telling me that because I like 60's rocksteady that I should enjoy 70's roots reggae, but I detest 70's roots reggae because - and here we go again - it sounds nothing like the 60's music!

Always love it when this happens...got an email the other day.. "Thanks for featuring one of my songs on your upcoming podcast! I am Ray of Ray & Dave - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. I am 63 years old now I recorded that song back in 1965. And soon afterward was drafted into the Army and went to Viet Nam! Thanks and God Bless for remembering our music. Ray "Doc Love" Caldwell, Sr."

I think they are all radio stations, it continues on the back with more regional stations

The thing is, you mention Roger Eagle and how he became disenchanted when the faster style records became more popular than the R&B that he championed, but then you say that the R&B that he championed in today's context should not be championed by the latest generation of soulies because it's not 'proper' Northern Soul. As for the term Gay Disco - why is this ignorant and redundant, a lot of 70's disco records are exactly like that. Shit disco records. People love throwing the word ignorant around don't they, it makes them seem more intellectually superior to us mere mortals who dislike gay disco music.

PETE SMITH 14 MARKET LANE LOWER PENN WOLVERHAMPTON WV4 4UJ 01902 340255 07784 507360 Pete.smith@freeuk.com Happy New Year everyone, I hope you enjoyed the podcasts containing some of the upcoming records, as you'll see, several of the titles that were on the podcasts are missing because I sold them which I suppose was the point of the podcasts in the first place really…still loads of new items today though so hope you find something of interest. Cheers Pete ERMA FRANKLIN - ABRACADABRA - EPIC DEMO EX 60 SOLD Visually VG++ but plays beautifully hence EX grade. Small WOL MAJOR LANCE - DELILAH - OKEH DEMO VG++ 40 His rarest – yes, rarer than YDWMNM! CYNTHIA & IMAGINATIONS - IS THERE ANYONE ANYWHERE - MAGIC CITY EX+ 40 Very hard to find a clean copy of this – almost mint, label slightly off centre WARREN STORM - THE BAD TIMES MAKE THE GOOD TIMES - PIC 1 DEMO M 60 Beautiful unknown midtempo item from Pasadena, texas LITTLE WOODEN SOUL-DIERS - LITTLE WOODEN SOLDIER - PAM O EX 75 Long time since I've had one of these, unusual LA dancer, old JM tip JUNE ADAMS - THE HUMAN RACE – ROULETTE VG++ 35 Superb beat ballad – great singer – little crackle right at start otherwise fine EUNICE & EDDIE - TELL IT TO MY FACE - STAR A FIRE VG++ 50 Very, very early R&B, this actually books at 250 quid for some reason, Shirley & lee type uptemp thing MARIAN LOVE - WALK PROUD AND PRETTY - CAPITOL DEMO EX 20 Old Richard Searling at Wigan FANTASTIC FOUR - CAN'T STOP LOOKING FOR MY BABY - RIC TIC VG+ 45 SOLD Used copy but not too bad, few clicks in the background but I've seen much worse sell for much more! MARSHA GEE - BABY I NEED YOU – UPTOWN EX 100 Definite original, daisy stamped, very slight little edge warp doesn't affect play (on my deck anyway, any problems of course it can be returned) RAY & DAVE - WRONG WRONG WRONG – MICA EX 50 SOLD Has a tear on the logo both sides where sticker removed. I actually heard from "Ray" after I posted this up on the podcast, have a read of this: Thanks for featuring one of my songs on your upcoming podcast! I am Ray of Ray & Dave - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. Thanks and God Bless for remembering our music. I am 63 years old now I recorded that song back in 1965. And soon afterward was drafted into the Army and went to Viet Nam! 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VG++ 60 BRENDA LEE JONES – YOU'RE THE LOVE OF MY LIFE – RUST DEMO EX 60 White demo, black lettering, rarest version and a great track as well JERRY WILLIAMS – IF YOU ASK ME – CALLA EX- 50 SOLD Original Calla 116 issue, great condition just a few marks on the vinyl JOHN ROBERTS – RAINDROPS LOVE AND SUNSHINE – A & M M- 40 SOLD One of the biggest revived records of the last few years MARKE JACKSON – I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU – JAMIE DJ M- 45 SOLD Same as Chris Jackson on UK Soul City, pristine demo JAY & THE AMERICANS – LIVIN' ABOVE YOUR HEAD – UNITED ARTISTS DJ EX 40 High price? Not really, this is very rare on US demo. TRADE MARTIN – WORK SONG – RCA DJ EX 50 SOLD I don't know what the hell was going on but a copy of this sold for $325 on ebay last month! 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