Pete S

Ok Pete, whilst Keanya Collin's voice isn't up there with Linda Jones, she can certainly hold a note or two, when she belts out "....you're something else, I can't stand..." then you know she 's got a talent. The production is subtle and classy, and not untypical of the early 70's Chicago soul of the time (Lovelites etc.) from guys like Johnny Cameron, Carl Davis, Willie Henderson...and of course it's got a beat, so I won't debate that, and as for the lyrics, they're no Purlitzer prize winner, but they tell a simple story over a nice enough melody, nothing too cheesey.

I can understand why some might not like it, but come on , it hardly qualifies for your list of pop tunes, it's a soul record for a start.

I didn't put it in a list of pop tunes, just a list of what I considered to be the 50 worst northern records issued in the UK, of which this is one. Christ knows how I missed the Carstairs, probably didn't realise it got reissued by Inferno.

Come on, Hammie, it's absolute garbage, right down there with The Carstairs and Z.Z & Company

Sarcasm aside, I would be interested to know what the redeeming qualities of the Keanya Collins record are. The vocals are weak, there's no beat and the lyrics are pathetic. The strings are nice, does that make it a classic or something?

Well I never knew that, I always assumed it was a straight reissue.

Actually I am with Nusha Love Hustle did sound quite good (for Tony Hatch) in it's day until we got bored with it on it's fifth playing at the Casino every night.

No, the two sound nothing like each other really, the original is actually not too bad. Kev Roberts just got someone in to do a vocal and called him John Drevars.

Best thing to use is Pritt!

John drevars wasnt 'manufactured' for the scene - came out on mgm

in the 60's

What the f*ck is Keanya Collins doing in this list

Sorry Hammie, it WAS manufactured for the scene, the 1979 Destiny release is nothing to do with the 1968 MGM release except they used the name John Drevars (not even John Drevars Expression), it was recorded specifically to cash in on the fact they were playing the MGM version. So there.

Keanya Collins is there because it's complete and utter sh*te

Blimey! Never knew that Pete...you live and learn (smug glance at my multicoloured deffo original issue... )

I shouldn't be able to remember such trivia though Jerry, frightening really when I can't remember my own mobile phone number

I'm coming round to Phil's view on this but I suspect that a true soul fan would actually be better off buying a Kent CD?

SWONS is flawed and was over ambitious, people would probably be more forgiving if it wasn't Ian's work. I'm glad I've watched it all the way through, but I have never felt the desire to watch it again, particularly the artists (sorry). Maybe one day I will, if only for the great interview with Dave Flynn where they have made it look like he has a plant growing out of his head And thats not Ian's fault, its the cameraman's. But I bet that Ian put him up to it....

I think you'll enjoy it much more if you watch it again, if you have to just skip the music and you have a potted history of Northern Soul by most of the main players. I love it, seriously, and you know what I felt about it when it came out!

The Cressa Watson slipped out on an Ace LP in the early 80's. Think it might have been called 20 R&B Greats.

It was booted in 1977 to cash in on it's revival at the Wigan friday oldies all nighters

Think your right Simsy. What a (shite) toon! It was like some poor Elvis impersonator!

He is right, my excuse is, I wrote it 11 years ago!

Does anyone know if this is the same Bill Kenwright who is now a big cheese in the theatre world? Used to be an actor in Corrie.

I don't think I know the record. If it's the same Bill K, I don't think I want to.....

As Malc says - same guy - it's not THAT bad, just a bit lame.

No Pete I believe it is the Mello Souls recording under a different name with a guest vocal by Sam Dees.

Again this conjecture is nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that I have a copy for sale at the moment. I can add that on this extremely rare and collectible promo copy "H&M" has been crossed out and the words "Mello Souls" have been added in genuine 1960's biro. Some people have suggested it looks like my writing but Im sure Mr. Manship and his micrometer would soon put that slur on my integrity to rest. Besides I don't own a biro as Im not allowed to have sharp objects here.

ROD

Pete you heartless ba***rd,how could you include the High &Mighty based as it is on a true story where a brave fisherman rescued a beautiful Cuban refugee but was unable to save her poor brother who tragically died from the fever. May have been Ebola or too much Peggy Lee but we don't get to find that out from the lyric. So heart-rending it cannot help but touch one's soul and deserves to be removed from this list immediately.

I would point out that this plea has nothing to do with the fact that I have one for sale at the moment.

ROD

That's The Reflections apparently Rod. Though I'm sure you already knew that.

You should know more about this than most Pete as its a Uk release , I dont recall seeing anything else on Plexium .

I can remember when Guy first played it he never covered it up so it was pretty rare , a few have turned up since , the last one I saw for sale was 400 notes.

Not as good as Steve Aldo on Parlaphone Though.

It's a different design Plexium to all the others I think. A few turn up on the label, Burning Bridges is the commonest, and I think I've got one called The Butlins Stomp or something like that! Also theres one mega rare psych thing on the label as well.

I still love It , Great Days

I've never heard it played out to be honest, but the horns in it always remind me of those Chris Andrews productions like Yesterday Man and the ones on Strike. Granted it's a stomper, but just not for me.

Actually I'll tell you what the most annoying thing about these dvd's is: the chaptering. It needed every separate clip to be chaptered, it's not difficult to do, but because it wasn't, if there's a clip on you don't like, you can't just forward it to the end of the song, it jumps ten minutes on. A minor gripe but a pain in the arse having to keep your finger on the FF button.

So will I buy it or wha??!

Yes, buy it, or buy mine off me, I'm desperate for the dosh

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how come that Twiggy 45 is nt the top of the list ?????

i love 'love hustle' too ...

Cos it's great!

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SOUL JOE CLEMENTS - EVER EVER (PLEXIUM 1969)

What the Fcuks this doing there ?

It's terrible, sounds like someones Grandad recorded live at a northern working mens club

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Published Date: 1997/11/5 4:40:00

More from the Smith factory, worst 50 Uk, well vast majority are pretty dire, but there are a few I wouldn't have put in

1.. NORTHERN NIGHTMARES! THE WORST 50 BRITISH RELEASED RECORDS PLAYED ON THE NORTHERN SOUL SCENE

BO DONALDSON & THE HEYWOODS - GIRL DON'T MAKE ME WAIT (ABC 1975)

R.B FREEMAN - I'M SHAFT (AVCO 1975)

FAMILY AFFAIR - LOVE HUSTLE (PYE 1976)

EYDIE GORME - EVERYBODY GO HOME (CBS 1964)

VIC FLICK SOUND - HANG ON (CHAPTER ONE 1970)

TED CASSIDY - THE LURCH (CAPITOL 1966)

JOHNNY HAWKSWORTH TRIO - WACK WACK (COLUMBIA 1967)

DEANO - BABY LET ME BE YOUR BABY (COLUMBIA 1967)

BILL KENWRIGHT - I WANT TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN (COLUMBIA 1967)

SAMI SLOAN - BE HIS GIRL (COLUMBIA 1968)

ANITA HARRIS - THE PLAYGROUND (CBS 1967)

GRAHAM BONNEY - SUPER GIRL (COLUMBIA 1966)

KENNY BERNARD - WHAT LOVE BRINGS (PYE 1966)

ExpressionS - ROUND AND ROUND IN CIRCLES (EMI 1977)

BLACK ABBOTTS - THE PAINTER (EVOLUTION 1970)

ADRIENNE POSTER - SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL (DECCA 1965)

NEWBEATS - TOO SWEET TO BE FORGOTTEN (HICKORY 1966)

DANNY WILLIAMS - FORGET HER, FORGET HER (HMV 1965)

KENNY LYNCH - MOVIN' AWAY (HMV 1967)

SOUPY SALES - THE MOUSE (HMV 1965)

THE HIGH & THE MIGHTY - HELP ME ESCAPE FROM CUBA (HMV 1966)

TIM TAM & THE TURN-ONS - WAIT A MINUTE (ISLAND 1967)

JIMMY CLIFF - WATERFALL (ISLAND 1968)

SIGHT & SOUND - OUR LOVE IS IN THE POCKET (FONTANA 1968)

SAMANTHA JUSTE - IF TREES COULD TALK (GO 1967)

KEANYA COLLINS - BARNABUS COLLINS LOVE BANDIT (GRAPEVINE 1978)

RONNIE LOVE - LET'S MAKE LOVE (GRAPEVINE 1978)

HAPPY CATS - THESE BOOTS ARE MADE FOR WALKING (GRAPEVINE 1978)

RAY GODFREY - COME AND GET THESE MEMORIES (GRAPEVINE 1978)

RAL DONNER - NEVER LET HER SLIP AWAY (INFERNO 1979)

DAVE VENTURA - THE HURT STAYS IN THE HEART (MERCURY 1965)

VENTURES - HAWAII 5-0 (LIBERTY 1970)TOMMY SANDS - THE STATUE (LIBERTY 1966)

GARY LEWIS & THE PLAYBOYS - MY HEART'S SYMPHONY (LIBERTY 1967)

LOS CANARIOS - GET ON YOUR KNEES (MAJOR MINOR 1967)

CONTRASTS - WHAT A DAY (MONUMENT 1968)

MICHAEL HASLAM - THERE GOES THE FORGOTTEN MAN (PARLOPHONE 1965)

BARRY BENSON - STAY A LITTLE WHILE (PARLOPHONE 1966)

DAVID NELSON - SOMEBODY LOVES ME (PHILIPS 1963)

KEVIN KING LEAR - THE SNAKE (PAGE ONE 1968)

EBONY KEYES - IF YOU KNEW (PICCADILLY 1967)

SOUL JOE CLEMENTS - EVER EVER (PLEXIUM 1969)

FIVE & A PENNY - YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR INTEREST LIES (POLYDOR 1968)

GABRIELLI BRASS - RIDE YOUR PONY (POLYDOR 1967)

TARA - HAPPY (POLYDOR 1971)

BRIAN HYLAND - THE JOKER WENT WILD (PHILIPS 1967)

ANTOINETTE - LULLABY OF LOVE (PICCADILLY 1966)

DAVID GARRICK - LET'S GO SOMEWHERE (PICCADILLY 1966)

BARRY GRAY - JOE 90 THEME (PYE 1968)

TONY SIMON - GIMME LITTLE SIGN (TRACK 1967)

SVANTE - BABY I NEED YOUR LOVING (UA 1968)

2. THE TAILOR-MADES HALL OF SHAME

Records manufactured to cash in on the Northern Soul scene. These records represent the lowest points in our wonderful scene's history.

JOHN SCHRODER - I'M GONNA CHANGE (ALASKA 1975)

SHARONETTES - PAPA OOH MOW MOW (BLACK MAGIC 1975)

RON GRAINER ORCH - JOE 90 THEME (CASINO CLASSICS 1978)

ALL NIGHT BAND - THE WIGAN JOKER (CASINO CLASSICS 1978)

ARMADA ORCHESTRA - COCHISE (CONTEMPO 1975)

SAX OF SOUL - SEA CRUISE (CRYSTAL 1975)

DESTINY ORCHESTRA - SPRING RAIN (DESTINY 1979)

CONNIE LAVERNE - A HOUSE FOR SALE (DESTINY 1979)

CAROL KAY - STOP AND YOU WILL BECOME AWARE (DESTINY 1979)

CHICO REVILL - THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY (DESTINY 1979)

JOHN DREVARS - THE CLOSER SHE GETS (DESTINY 1979)

DORIS JONES - STRANDED IN THE WILDERNESS (NEMS 1976)

NORTHERN SOUL INC - SOMETHING KEEPS CALLING ME BACK (POLYDOR 1975)

SOUNDS OF LANCASHIRE - SLICED TOMATOES (PYE DISCO DEMAND 1975)

JEZEBELLES - TAINTED LOVE (PYE DISCO DEMAND 1975)

WIGAN'S OVATION - SKIING IN THE SNOW (SPARK 1975)

WIGAN'S OVATION - SUPERLOVE (SPARK 1975)

WIGAN'S OVATION - PERSONALLY (SPARK 1975)

TOMMY HUNT - GET OUT (SPARK 1976)ETTA THOMAS - JUST ASK ME (SANTA PONSA 1974)

SOUND 9418 - I'M GONNA CHANGE (UKUSA 1975)

by Pete Smith

linda lewis - do you believe in love - polydor

linda lewis - you turned my bitter into sweet

Yes, though I'm not sure whether there are two different groups of the same name. They had a big reggae hit with a version of Everybody Plays The Fool then it looks like they moved onto soul. I'll try and find out some more info. Tony R will know.