chrissie

Really sorry to hear this, had many good laughs with Dave both at soul nights and in the old SSLAAS thread in free basing. RIP top bloke

QoFxx

Hi Chrissie,

Copying them doesnt mean they are gonna read it or take on board changes. (maybe there email, wifi, laptop is down) its unconfirmed communication.

Am not upto speed with events in Beds but I know the Stewartby one has been going a while so out of courtesy before i had even confirmed a date/venue for myself I would ring them directly and run it past them, rather than hope they noticed my plans in a general email. As you agree regular ongoing events have preference.

You would surely only have to ring/txt a handful of folk,

in my terminology to use Guy is a non sexist remark, I would have said you should have asked the blokes, fellas, males...

With 3 other events on, one being the big annual Skank in Park, not on your soul/Ska/mod/RnB mailing list ? I would side with getting all to use SS, tho you never cover all bases

Anyway am sure you checked with the Skank crowd for next year

Take it easy

I have not checked with the SKank in the Park lot for next year as that does not have a major effect. However, it isn't just two or three local promoters I would have to ring as the support for this event is not predeminantley local although it has had good local support in the past. I have friends and regular DJs who travel from the Midlands, the South Coast, Essex, London, Hertfordshire etc.....

Anyway, I think this has now run it's course let's move on. Just to re-iterate my date for next year is

1st September

...................and as I said earlier. Thank You And Good Night.

QoFxx

Danny

May I say that I do not see my self as a promoter or DJ never have done. Just do one charity gig a year and dust off the vinyl for a bit of fun every now and again and when I am asked to.

Hey Chrissie

For your own gig/health think your better emailing or phoning the other promoters directly rather than hoping their gonna read through your mailouts (If they havnt asked to go on list then why would they).

All promoters in the area are copied as a matter of courtesy, I have put Pottsys events on the calendar prevoisly to hopefully prevent clashes in the local area and have been given the details of some of his earlier events by him or Geoff and Hammie.

In my view regular nights have preference over one offs,

Totally agree

all you have to say is im planning a do on x if its a prob let me know soonest.

I planned this date in August 2010 for 2011, how much more notice do you think i should give, I cant be expected to call every single promoter in the area so the calendar was seen as the best way of communicating amongst the promoters in the area and has worked fine until now.

You only need to ask the guys who do regular events. Get everyone to use here to check, apart from Skank in Park, there was another event posted on SS for The Pheasant and Molly had a Modern Soul Night in Russell Park Club too. Your mailouts should be more a "whats on" aimed at dancers. Anyway peace to all in sunny Bedford

The whole point of the mail out, when it was started was to help promoters plan events as far in advance as possible and NOT to publicise events to punters and up until now we have managed to avoid the stupid bollotix and in fighting that was going on in the area 6-7 years ago.

And saying I should ask the "guys" (mmmm is this a touch of the old sexism raising it's head on the scene again, though we go rid of that 30 years ago) who do the regular events agghhhhhhhhhhhhh that's the whole point of the calendar. I doubt if Stweartby was even booked in August last year for this september.

I do one event a year and have changed the dates previously so as not to clash with Wellingborough and Filthy Soul. So I took the next available date and circulated it 13 months in advance. What more could I do. There are many on here that will tell you that I do everything I can to attend and promote as many events as possible in the local/London/Herts area, unfortunately due to finacial situation I do not visit as many as I would like but still plug them and make sure they are publicised amongst our own travelling band of soulies.

QoFxx

QED - We need one national up to date calendar.

Regards.

This was set up for local promoters to avoid clashes and NOT as a calendar of events for the UK and is a rolling 12 months. It helped promoters plan their events up to 12 months in advance on a rolling 12 month basis. If you bother to read Warren's comments on the Calling London Promoters, link an earlier post you will see that many local promoters have found it usefull.

It has been running for about 6 years after we had had a lot of clashes and bollotix in our area and we have not had any major porblems until now.

QoFxx

Wise words Chalky.

Promoters, please use one national calendar and have a bit of thought for other promoters and, more importantly, for us paying punters.

I looked at a "southeast calendar" once, I think it included Rugby, Devon, Prestatyn and Cleethorpes, discontinued venues and incorrect and missing dates.

Charity fund raisers - good luck, it can be hard work raising funds as many of us know. Please don't try to morally blackmail others, it's a big turn off.

Best wishes to you all.

There are other events on there that people from our area travel to and would be likely to affect numbers in our own area. There are discontinued events on there because the calendars posted on this thread are over 12 months old.

QoFxx

You didn't have a venue for your event on the date you say you put in your calendar?

As I said I had a number of options but the date was always fixed. I had run 2 of these events before in 2008 and 2009 and wanted to get the date booked to coincide with my birthday and Tony's birthday so that is why I booked the date before I decided on which venue I was going to use.

QoFxx

But chrissie, you didn't book Esquires until you had been to Hammie & Geoff's event there. The first event they did there was in December.

Ididn't book the venue as I had a number of options but I had booked the date.

QoFxx

This looks like it is getting personal so might be better for all to take some time out and calm down otherwise you will be going back and forth all afternoon. To me it seems Ady picked a free date for his event and Chrissie changed her date after Ady had advertised Stewartby? If that is right I can't see why Chrissie can't just accept this and move on to her other question which is do you carry on with the calendar?

I did not change my date, The date pottsy refers to is for 2010. The 2011 date was set back in August last year and published as such.

If you look at the calendar Pottsy attached this clearly says 29 August 2010 and the said file is names as "Dates 2010". The calendar I attached is named "Dates 2010 11" and clearly says Sept 3rd 2011.

QoFxx

So why email out the 2011 calendar with a 2010 date on it ?

It is a rolling 12 month calendar that is updated monthly to reflect the up and coming 12 months not just a particular year., events get added on going. If you look at the one I sent out in August is titled 2010 11

QoFxx

No chrissie, it's not. If you look at your post of 26th May 2010 at 10:53am (link is above) you state in that post : "Time to start getting the dates in the calendar for 2011!!!" Under that line you have posted the calendar with the date of 29th August.

At that point the 2010 event was going ahead and that was the date for 2010.

QoFxx

Chrissie,

I've just checked back & found your calender that you sent out with your date on for 2011. You sent this out in May 2010. As can clearly be seen you were going to put on your event on 29th August 2011, not 3rd September.

This is the calendar I printed out & worked around.

Dates 2010.pdf

If you look at the calendar you have posted you will see that this is for the 2010 date not 2011 date which was a bank holiday sunday, which in the end did not go ahead as my ex husband died last year and I really could not get my head around it.

QoFxx

What on earth are you talking about ? Of course it's an events calendar. You call it a "calendar", you call yourself the "Calendar Girl"

Yes it is a calendar but not for promoting events but to give promoters information to avoid clashes.

QoFxx

OK, I have wracked my tiny brain and my party would never of been planned for the 29th of August as this was a Monday this year. The SS calendar puts peoples birthday dates up. The 29th is my actual Birthday. Secondly the other reason I would not of had it on the 28th the bank holiday Sunday, is because this would clash with the Filthy Soul Alldayer in London which is attended by many of my DJs every year.

I could not move it to the week before as it would of clashed with the Wellingborough alldayer which is also a charity event that I try to support. So I put it up for the 3rd September which you were made aware of in August 2010, which I suspect was before you had booked your 2011 dates, again in March when it was put in the Calendar and the thread was started and as I said, I had no idea of your date until June.

QoFxx

Soul source is the place all promoters check when booking their dates. To have other independent event calendars running along side this is counter productive & is a recipe for a date clash, as has been proved in this case. Why on earth do we need two calendars ?

This is not a calendar for event promotion it is purely an aid for advance planning for promoters, it has worked well in the past and is also a double check as some events do not get put in the SS calendar that far in advance.

QoFxx

So you are saying that because I had not contacted you to put Stewartby on your calendar, that on 6th March when you looked on the soul source calendar you chose to ignore the fact that Stewartby was on there, and had been on there for 4 months ! So you just went ahead without saying anything ? hmmmm I think there's more to this than meets the eye.

Pottsy

There is nothing sinister about this at all. I have worked hard this last 6 years to help avoid clashes in our area and certainly would not of clashed on purpose and have never had any issues with you or your events.

You missed my date, I didn't see yours, you didn't contact me back in March. I didn't find out about your do till June end of.

May be if you had bothered to read the calendar updates I sent out and I had taken more notice of Soul Source.

QoFxx

If you hadn't made it clear in your mail out that the date had been amended why would I bother to open any further 'pdf files' with your calendar on ? So the facts are, you sent out the calendar for 2011 with your date on as 29th August 2011. You then posted your event in the soul source calendar on 6th March 2011 with your date having been changed to the 3rd September. At that point you would have seen that Stewartby had been on that calendar since 16th November 2010. These are facts. As extra proof to the above, please look at chriisies post of 26th May 2010 at 10.50 am. You even posted your calendar on soul source with your date as being 29th August.

Pottsy

The Calendar is a live document and updated on going thorughout the year, this is made clear in my mailings. The first one for the following year is always only a skeleton and more events are added on going. What would be the point of sending the calendar out on a regular basis if there were no updates. Most of the mailings were headed Dates 2010/11 Updates. Again, I must stress you did not send me your events.

QoFxx

Chrissie,

I've just checked back & found your calender that you sent out with your date on for 2011. You sent this out in May 2010. As can clearly be seen you were going to put on your event on 29th August 2011, not 3rd September.

This is the calendar I printed out & worked around.

Dates 2010.pdf

Yes but this was amended and sent out in August as the August Bank Holiday was difficult to get DJs and a venue. I would of thought that August 13 months notice would be plenty. This calendar was sent out at regular intervals throughout the year. Had you bothered to give me your dates I would of spotted it.

QoFxx

A Celebration of Soul was set up to help the North Beds Motor Neurone Disease Association and to celebrate the life of my late ex husband who died from MND last year and was a big soul fan.

I will be taking donations up to the 16th of September fo anyone who couldn't make it and would like to donate

pay pal ckemp@mmm.com title NBMND 2011

At the end of the day, this was about raising money and awareness of this terrible fatal illness.

Have I no shame begging for money.....................No not when the clash of events effected us by probably about £100 if not more. Skank in the Park also affected us to a lesser degree but hey that couldn't be helped as the organisers are not on my mailing list and wouldn't of know of this date.

QoFxx

How many promoters used your calendar and what was the numbers who received this calendar or read it? Surely if the numbers are there and you are willing then sensible to keep it going. Quite clear though from this topic that in planning some come straight to Soul Source, not just nationally but in your region?

I can't really answer that but I have 50 people on the mailing list and also see the thread from Jan 2010 and Jan 2011

QoFxx

A member of soul source staff managed to check back through the amendments made to the Stewartby event listing, that was placed in the events calendar, and It was put in there for all to see on Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:01:22 GMT

Why did you not contact me when you saw my date. I did not know anything about your September date until June. I have just found the Calendar that I sent out in August 2010 and you will see that the date is clearly marked and I have doubled checked you are one of the 50 members of this mailing list.

Dates 2010 11.pdf

Also you will see from this that there is a section for your events which you never bothered to send me maybe if you had of done we could of talked about it at the time.

QoFxx

I have been asked by few people to re-open this thread, so going to but if it turns into a slanging match I will shut it straight away.

This is only partly about the clash of events last saturday but more about me not doing the calendar any more as if promoters on the copy list don't read it to avoid clashes and it does take up a lot of time and effort to keep it going, what's the point of me doing it.

I would normally be starting to circulate 2012 calendar about now so should I keep it going or not? Maybe some of the other promoters who are on the mailing list and use this can comment.

QoFxx

Chrissie,

It's a shame you clashed with Stewartby because we'd have liked to have come along to your event. Perhaps next year

Regards,

pottsy

Well maybe you would like to donate £50 from your profit from Saturday night to the North Beds Motor Neurone Disease association as because it was, by your own admission the best night you have ever had your taking must of been good so thats the door taxt from 10 people.

QoFxx

not quite true the bit highlighted above

Chrissie put her event in the events calendar on April 27th 2011

Stewartby was put in events calendar on May 29th 2011

Chrissie started thread in events section on 6th March 2011

Stewartby thread started in events on 14th July 2011

Going to close the thread and if anyone wants to make any comments please PM me as I am sure the rest of Soul Source don't really want to read about this.

QoFxx

Chrissie,

Before I book any dates with the Stewartby club I always check the soul source events calendar, just to make sure we don't clash with another local event. So when I listed the 3rd September in the events section, last year, I double checked to see if there was anything else listed in the area, there was not. Then, this year in March you posted your event up. So when you did this you would have seen that Stewartby was already in there, and had been in there since the previous year ! Why on earth didn't you say something at that point?

Regarding : "To infer that the likes of Ted Massey, John Weston, Steve Gaurnori, Woody, Steve Clarke, Bearsy, Lou, Kev Draper and a few more would be playing chin stroking, obscure mid tempo dross is an insult to some of the best DJs around". You've put their names to that statement, not me !

Steve Clarke did a set at Stewartby once, great records, loved it. ThenTed Massey was kind enough to come & dj for us at Stewartby on one occasion, as our headline dj, I loved his set, but sadly that was our lowest attended night since we started. In fact it was because of that night that we decided to stop asking big name dj's to appear at Stewartby & just Hammie, Geoff & myself would spin bits n bobs from our collections, just have a bit of fun kind of thing, then the numbers went back up.

It's a shame you clashed with Stewartby because we'd have liked to have come along to your event. Perhaps next year

Regards,

pottsy

Pottsy

I don't really want to say any more on the subject. You are on my mailing list and the 3rd of September was on the calendar sent out in November 2010. If you don't bother to read it, that is my point on why I am going to stop with the calendar which was set up 6 years ago to avoid things like this. I do not want to fall out with you and certainly have no problem with Geoff or Hammie.

Your digs about what sort of music we would be playing was totally out of order and an insult to some of the best DJs around some of the comments you made on your thread were an obvious dig at my event. Anyone who reads your Stewartby thread and yiour post made 2 days before my event can put 2 + 2 together and make up their own minds if this was a blatent dig or not.

Lets all just move on from this and so you know well in advance, my date for next year is 1st September.

QoFxx

I can understand how you feel Chrissie. I was asked to DJ at your event and I opened the proceedings. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the decks were great and idiot proof. I haven't got any expensive rare records but think my set was okay. Steve G followed me with some fantastic tunes that anyone who enjoys Northern would have loved. We then had to leave to drive up to Preston where Steve was DJing at the Soul People event at the Swallow Hotel. But knowing the calibre of the DJs you'd booked I'm sure i missed plenty of my favourite tunes. The venue was a nice size and the dance floor was fine, as both Bint of Soul and I proved.

Maybe I am naive but it seemsa pity to book a soul event on the same day as a charity do in the near vicinity that's been arranged ages ago. I don't know the ins and outs of it so maybe there was a valid reason but it's a shame. Strange world of Northern Soul indeed.

Chrissie, don't let things get you down.

I'm not down Geoff, in fact quite the opposite, last night was great. Somebody asked me why I start sdo early..........my answer is because it means that I get great people like you DJing for me if I didn't start till 8 how could fit in such a fantastic line up. It's an honour to have you all there every year.

Bring on next year, already in the planning and the date will be.................

Saturday 1st September

So put it in your diary

QoFxx