Paul-s

PRICES CHANGED...even more of a bargain! CREATIONS - Footsteps zodiac mint- £60 FESTIVALS - Makings Of A Lover Smash mint- £25 J. JOCKO - Im Getting Over Kama Sutra mint- £70 SAM & MEL - We Started This Thing Together Star Track mint- £40 CHEERS - Take Me To Paradise OKeh mint - £30 MODULATION - I Cant Fight Your Love mint- Buddah £30 MYSTICS - I Really Love You Teako mint- £40 (storming uptempo version) PROFILES - Raindrops musicland U.S.A mint- £50 (great uptempo dancer) RELATIVES - Lenient With Your Love Archway mint- £70 (brilliant uptempo dancer) FABULOUS DENOS - Bad Girl mint - King (double sider) £50 FLORENCE MILLER - The Groove Im In P&P mint- (original..not dodgy boot!) £70 GEORGE KIRBY - What Can I Do vg++ Cadet £200 STIMULATION - Can You Dig Where Im Coming From (superb 70s Double sider) £100 VIC & the CATALINAS - Talking About My Girl mint- Barclay (great unknown dancer!) £50 LEE MOSES - Bad Girl mint- Gates £30 THE 7th SON - Modesty pt 1 & 2 Wynwood mint- ( Rare boogaloo!) £30 PM if interested few left.

£30 in mint, if you want it. cheers

Don't think you need to worry Paul, most will see this as different, less emotive led take on the original play. As would think this adaptation will centre more on the characters and less on the music against a storyline that can apply to a few vibrant dance led music venues from the Thatcher years. I dont know if you saw the play, but it didn't centre on the music. It worked because it dealt with the lives of 4 people during the Thatcher years, it lead the audience into their stories. So, it wouldn,t be a new version centring on the characters, because thats the only way the play will work and did work. The music WAS the fifth actor and it was powerful part of it because people could feel the soul of those original artists as a subtext for the emotions of the 4 characters. I think people have a freedom to put on play even if its proven to be crap because the band is useless or the storyline don't stand up without the original soundtrack. It don't make me a karaoke lover tho. Not saying they dont. But, by that reasoning I also have the right to voice my opinion. I dont think we all need to be passive in the face of s--te, because we dont want to seem the antithesis of the "live & let live" lifestyle that a lot of you have admirably adopted. If I followed that premise I wouldn't speak out against poverty, fascism, injustice of any kind! Live & let live.. Maybe they should change the soundtrack and rename it "Upon a time once at the Hacienda" as love to hear Joy Division "Dead Souls" out loud again, oh josh just realised it be a bleedin house band playing it, fk that I saw Joy Division a few times and you see, I wouldn't want to hear a cover band doing Ian Curtis's songs in this play you suggest. But you, by what you have said, would. There is the difference in our musical tastes. I think you will find that 'Joy Division' were NOT a house band.... cheers Paul

I might go to the allnighter on Saturday and the Legion on Sunday, but I wouldn't start a campaign to rubbish the cover band by saying they were going to be crap before hearing them play either. I understand Paul's point about his version of the play being about the vinyl. But this isn't his version of the play, and he hasn't heard the band play yet, or seen the actors act yet. Sort of missing the fact that it was devised with the playwright and based on my experience Dave. 6 weeks work devising the script! He WAS a mate and said that he would look after the play, not sell it down the Swanny with a cover band playinhg my memories?! Also, as Baz has said, if YOU find the idea of a cover band presenting the story of the Casino, then ME & YOU obviously have very different musical tastes. Im into 'soul' music? You? Did you only listen to Wigans Chosen few back in the day? Do you still rate them as your top band? Then go and see this Pap. By all means be critical when you are in a position to do so, but as far as I can tell (If you take away the fact they used reviews of his play to advertise this version which was patently wrong) this is no different from two different theatre companies putting on the same production. Without seeing both you cannot make a fair judgement as to which is the best. Especially as one version hasn't even opened it's doors yet. Once agian YOU miss the whole point. Ive answered this above. I know its crap, because I dont want to see a local house band singing 'Breakaway pt1' or 'I Dont Like To lose'. Thats not the story of these characters or the that of Wigan and the experience of those who went, except yourself obviously. Thats fair enough. The rest of us dont remember the tunes like that. I loved them because of the way they were produced, sung, felt, expressed, by the original artists. Its not the SONG on its own that I like, its that recording. The songs not so good that I want to hear Paul Daniels singing it on stage or some other person whos not 'feeling' it! This band is only going in for the last week of rehearsal, so i guess your happy with that commitment and feeling? I'm not doubting Paul's passion and committment to his version either, that's obvious. I just think it's a little unfair of him to be so critical of someone else's creative efforts before the doors even open to the public. THats RICH mate. Im the very person in a position to judge it. They have NO RESPECT for the subject, the people, the music and they definitely have NO SOUL. Keep the Faith!

Well put. I too am shocked at a lot of the 'pontificating' types on here......one minute they bang on about 'soul' and original labels and artists and the next, as you say, they want a Julie Andrews play about Wigan. SAD! Live and let live is a word used a lot by complacent types who once had a spark of energy, enthusiasm and emotion, but now "just cant be bothered". They talk about how they did 'this and that crazything' when they were younger and used to go and now??? Well, Julie Andrew says it all. Sound like they were just 'weekend soulies' in the first place.

I have heard them play TRUST ME, saw them in another play.S--te! So, im afraid your ASSUMPTION is wrong.... Might be good enough for you though?! Not sure what your into?

JOEY IRVING - Dont Throw Your Love Away on Vincent vg+ plays great. brilliant double sider!! Top notch stuff. I ended up with two! pm me if interested!

CREATIONS - Footsteps zodiac mint- £70 FESTIVALS - Makings Of A Lover Smash mint- £25 J. JOCKO - Im Getting Over Kama Sutra mint- £100 SAM & MEL - We Started This Thing Together Star Track mint- £40 CHEERS - Take Me To Paradise OKeh mint - £50 MODULATION - I Cant Fight Your Love mint- Buddah £40 MYSTICS - I Really Love You Teako mint- £40 (storming uptempo version) PROFILES - Raindrops musicland U.S.A mint- £70 (great uptempo dancer) RELATIVES - Lenient With Your Love Archway mint- £75 (brilliant uptempo dancer) FABULOUS DENOS - Bad Girl mint - King (double sider) £50 FLORENCE MILLER - The Groove Im In P&P mint- (original..not dodgy boot!) £90 GEORGE KIRBY - What Can I Do vg++ Cadet £200 STIMULATION - Can You Dig Where Im Coming From (superb 70s Double sider) £130 VIC & the CATALINAS - Talking About My Girl mint- Barclay (great unknown dancer!) £50 LEE MOSES - Bad Girl mint- Gates £30 THE 7th SON - Modesty pt 1 & 2 Wynwood mint- ( Rare boogaloo!) £30 PM if interested few left. I also have JOEY IRVING - Dont Throw Your Love Away on VINCENT vg+ £200

Little Ron Johnson - I Keep Telling You (Hard Times) vg 40 BARGAIN! just tooooo soulful!

"You probably derserve to" A bit emotional here arnt we? or a bit personal - I hope its the former. Based on your views here Paul what you are implying is that nobody should be allowed to make films like Bugsy malone as this demeans gangster movies. What a poor conversive view you have. Get an independant person to see it and do an obective critique including the comparison between this and yours and that should be the end of it for you! Life is too short and in 50years time Northern soul will be just a line in the history books! regards Steve Why would I need a critique. Believe it or not, I know it will be Sh--te....just becaue of the fact it has a live, COVER band! You dont seem to get that. So we will never agree....Im into 'soul' music you see. As Joan says (you haven't replied), if you went to a nighter and their was a cover band instead of the dj's, playing the tunes, would that suit you? If so, we are from two different planets and have had very different 'soul' up bringings. Your comparisons are tenuous, so not really worth conversing with.....its not down to my "poor conversive view", I simply need an informed conversation. Finally, " a bit emotional" ? Im glad to say I am, in life generally, an emotional and visceral person...THATS WHY I LIKE SOUL! You probably need to listen to Johnny McCall - I Need You or something like that and have a go at really listening and maybe, dare I say it, 'feeling' it. Then, you too can develop some emotion. It makes life a 'fully engaged' experience....Top!

Great points mate. I agree. I did it originally as a 1 off. It grew over two years in popularity and at the point when the audience (some had seen it 3 times) started saying the lines along with the actors, I decided it was time to move on. I had a meeting with west end producers who wanted to do it with live musicians and the actors singing. I said NO! There is no way I would do something like that. It was done as a tribute to people and music that changed my life...it was my experience of a time long gone...cheers Paul-s

=============== It's a long time since I saw the play, but I don't remember the emphasis being on vinyl, more on the lives of the characters with the casino being a release. This is how I honestly remember it, I'm not trying to fan the flames Winnie :-) You didn't notice an almost continuous narrative soundtrack of some 48 tunes? Sung by the original artists and chosen for their emotive qualities to engage the audience and remind them (in an immediate sensory way) along with the large scale original film footage of Wigan, how visceral an experience it was for those characters?!wow Nowt to say to that. Everyone else seemed to feel it and notice it........

HA! hard on Fridays from Cambridge...work and traffic! Heard great stuff about it though!

I dont care what they do with it. What Im saying is THIS ISNT ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY PLAY. If someone was doing it with the original music I wouldn't be commenting. I am shocked that so many people dont give a s--t about the music....you ALL pretend to love soul and talk endlessly about singers, records. You youself say it wasn't accurate for you. Does that mean a cover band playing the tunes is nearer your experience then? etc. When push comes to shove, your paying good money to go and see a Sh-t- cover band playing the tunes you supposedly love. GO AND SEE IT, you probably deserve to....cheers Paul p.s Of course people like Toss Winstanley wanted to make t shirts and beer towels etc. I could have cashed in on that. BUT, I resisted the temptation to turn my experience into a 'tacky' commercial one! The choice to maintain my dignity and soul was an easy one for me. I think some of you would struggle!

The British Theatre Guide reckoned the music got in the way of developing the characters and storylines. If a regular (arty farty) theatre goer possibly it did. Tho as it seemed more aimed to getting Northern Soulies attend a play "we" would see the original tracks as essential ingredients. Yes, the guy was a 50 year old who wasn't used to listening to music as a narrative. BUT, ALL soulies got it or even music lovers got it in general. I used 48 tracks and sometimes just one line of them (as a comment). My aim was to be true to those who went , not to the mainstream press! I for my part see nothing wrong in people doing a musical or even an opera based on Northern Soul. Obviously it would be the storylines and characters that would take prominence over the music. A play/film involving football needn't have an actual game for instance. NOT really able to answer this. If you want to hear a dodgy white, west end band play 'soul' music, we are not really coming from the same scene! Go to your local Karaoke on a Friday night if thats your bag. cheers PAUL

Post it special tmrow Paul, be with you Friday.

Had to give this a seperate thread (from octagons site), as its sooooo exciting. Heres me slagging off Boltons new 'musical' take on Wigan Casino....then I see the tremendous musical talent they have enlisted! And the cast, well, what can I say Corrie stars! Its going to be so 'real', hairs on the back of my neck are standing up already. Pure class. The octagon have billed them as one of the finest 'soul' bands. They are that good, that, I heard, they are only going into rehearsal for the last week! Get ready to be moved... Russ Winstanley has to be involved in this somewhere? Its got ALL his trademarks The cast includes Rupert Hill, Coronation Street's much-loved Jamie Baldwin, Rokhsaneh Ghawam-Shahidi, fresh from Meet the Mukherjees at the Octagon and who also appeared in Rafta, Rafta in the recent National Theatre tour, Richard Oldham last appeared at the Octagon in Early One Morning and The Daughter-in-law, and Laura Bonnah appears at the Octagon for the first time. Musicians for the production include Adam Keast and Francis Tucker, both of whom have appeared in Eight Miles High at the Octagon, Rebekha Hughes who last appeared in Lisa's Sex Strike at the Octagon. Paul Mannion, Paul Kissaun, and Shirley Darroch complete the line-up. So, which one of these is the singer?

Here is the Great 'soul band' (a bunch of actors playing instuments)line up and cast for Bolton Octagons Panto/play. See, im even advertising for them...What a tremendous line up! Bet you cant wait to hear those tunes you have cherished for decades re worked by this lot! ENJOY Jamie Baldwin...top Im feeling its 'soul' already. The cast includes Rupert Hill, Coronation Street's much-loved Jamie Baldwin, Rokhsaneh Ghawam-Shahidi, fresh from Meet the Mukherjees at the Octagon and who also appeared in Rafta, Rafta in the recent National Theatre tour, Richard Oldham last appeared at the Octagon in Early One Morning and The Daughter-in-law, and Laura Bonnah appears at the Octagon for the first time. Musicians for the production include Adam Keast and Francis Tucker, both of whom have appeared in Eight Miles High at the Octagon, Rebekha Hughes who last appeared in Lisa's Sex Strike at the Octagon. Paul Mannion, Paul Kissaun, and Shirley Darroch complete the line-up. Book early! Its gonna be a 'real' thing

I read the replys and they didn't seem to be censoring debate, just saying come and see it and then comment? Saw the original, thought it was good, if I was in the area would go and see it just to compare. Winnie :-)

Good idea Pete, we may talk! Im only angry at the fact that they deliberately used the same images to advertise it, in a deliberate campaign to confuse the two events and, until I complained, used positive newspaper quotes from MY production to advertise theirs! NAUGHTY!. Also censoring an open debate is very out of order!