Dave Thorley
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I had the same response from her when I posted it on Youtube a few years ago. If she says she didn't record it then I tend to believe her. But there is always the other possibility, that it was the sisters recording, but they didn't realise it had been released at the time, never got paid and now days they are just very pissed off with the level of interest in it.
The murky world of 60's soul recordings. !!!!
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When I spoke with the
Yes Dave, "How Big Is Big" "Please Take Me Back" "I Ain't Got To Love Nobody Else" etc. were all recorded at American in Memphis.
Sean
When I meet the guys in Memphis, they told me that they went to American Group in Memphis after being introduced by Bobby Womack. Bobby was working there at the time and had heard about their mis-adventure in Detroit.
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As a "mature student" in the "art" of collecting strictly Detroit produced 45's, which in itself apart from the obvious, sometimes proves to be a bit of a "minefield".....particularly with regard to the labels outside of the Motor City, containing Detroit produced material within their portfolio! Now whilst I'd love to have such total knowledge, sometimes even written material throws up some anomalies, and furthermore adds to confusing me somewhat?
I have over the years picked up several items believing them to be produced in Detroit but have been proved to be a bit off the mark so to speak! I therefore having been going through my collection slowly, have the following such anomalies I'd really like to address, so if anyone could be so kind as to reiterate their production whereabouts, I'd be very grateful
Here's a few for starters, and whilst I have sought advice on some of them them would respectfully seek second opinions!
Masqueraders-How big is big-Bell, Memphis recording
Luther Ingram-Run for your life-Hurdy-Gurdy Believe this was a Detroit recording, was written while he was there anyway
Roger Hatcher-Sweetest girl in the world-Excello Nashville
We the people-Making my daydream real-Lion As it has Bert DeCoteaux on arrangements, think it's unlikely to be Detroit
Thanks in anticipation
Kind Regards wilxy.....
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Hi All
www.topdogrecords.co.uk
Another bunch of great tunes gone up on the site, over 300 new titles across the site, Northern, Modern, Funk, Boogie, R&B & Gospel 45's, all with sound files. Including these..........
- David People - Get my broom out - Saru £180
- Don Hannah - I've got your number - Ar'nett £75
- Eric Lomax - Seven the loser Columbia £175
- Voices - Falling in love - Penny £55
- Zulema - Wanna be where you are - Rca £30
- Dusty Wilson & The Corals - It's going to be a tragedy - Mutt £800
- Major Burkes - Break these chains - Gulf £400
- Midnight Express - Danger zone - Tri-Fire £250
- Jr Wells - I've got a stomach ache - Vanguard £75
- Melvin Carter - One too many - Cat £75
- Barbara McNair - Your gonna love my baby - Motown £140
- Bill Coday - A man can't be a man - Epic £250
- Jesse Davis - Hollywood gypies - Essence £175
- Lee Oslar - Back to Ypsilanti - Mustach £75
Plus loads more, thanks for looking
Dave & Malayka
- David People - Get my broom out - Saru £180
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Record Graveyard, Hamtramck, always worth a route around
Record Collector, Ferndale, found the odd thing in there, but a fair few years ago now
Shantique Music, Harper Avenue, Tough area and never found anything there
Damons Record Center, Plymouth Road, Not sure if he's still open, but mainly Lp's 12" and CD's and it's tough area
Also try Famous Flame, not far from Brad's shop
Street Corner Music (Brad can give you the address of them also)
Lastly, the legendary Bob Maze, he works from his house, but it's pretty much open door, Brad can give you his address
In order of time best spent
- Brads Peoples Records
- Record Graveyard
- Bob Maze
- Street Corner Music
- Brads Peoples Records
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Sound clips for all on Youtube
Peace On Earth - Love foundation/I don't know why girl - Chat Town £75 +P&P (Mint)
Hard to find killa sweet group soul, modern soul flip
Bill Wright - You can't let your left hand know - Smoke City £35 +P&P (Mint)
Cool midtempo indemand modern soul dancer from the southern master
The Bottle Tops featuring Little Jackie - Ain't love trouble - Pink Bird £45 +P&P (Mint)
Little Jackie Moore on this cool modern soul winner
Al Kent - The way you been acting lately - Ric Tic £25 +P&P (Mint)
Detroit gets no better, stunning midtempo 60's classic
Darrow Fletcher - What have I got now - Jacklyn £75 +P&P (VG+)
Another killa 60's winner from the man
California Rock Choir - Whoever you are - Cyclone £35 +P&P (VG+)
Oh so soulful indemand crossover winner
Willie G - Meet me halfway - Ric Tic £15 +P&P (Mint)
Cool midtempo 60's dancer, William Garrett production
Perfect Touch - What goes around - Celebrity £15 +P&P (Mint)
Pretty slice of Detroit sweet soul, killa boogie flip
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Last Night's Radio show on GFM.......... for those that would like to hear it you can go to the stations site and listen again now, go to https://listen-again.gloucesterfm.com/index.php?id=8782 click on 27th and then on, Remember This…. Thursday 27 December
or it's on my Mixcloud page https://www.mixcloud.com/dave-thorley/
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Hi All
As it's a live show happy to get feed back through the show on my Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/dave.thorley.7
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One Off Christmas Special Radio Show 2Nite !!!!!! GFM Radio
I'm doing a three hour live show to nite on GFM Radio, called 'My Tunes'. The guys at the station have ask me do a show playing 3 hours of of my own choices, hope you can listen in.
11pm-1am GMT, for friends in the U.S. 1pm-4pm Eastern, 2pm-5pm Central & 4pm-7pm Pacific. Just follow the link and click on listen live button https://www.gloucesterfm.com/
Apart from things, group, crossover, funky, jazzy, but always soulful, gonna play some killa un-released tracks by The Notations, some of the new previously un-issue Arctic material and some other un-issued gems. Plus a whole bunch of stuff to make you smile, hope you can join me........
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What a waste of a decent backing track. The Gino Johnson recording was quite nice.
Brings to mind Dora Hall, and her Calamo, Cozy and Reinbeau labels funded by her multi-millionaire husband, owner of the Solo Cup Company.
Hi Robb
I always though there might be an interesting story here though. Even though she covered many Pop standards, she also covered a fair more obscure soul/R&B titles. Why, where did she hear them etc, etc
As informative as always Robb
Dave
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What's really frightening is that when deals are done to secure catalogues, the physical masters are often the last thing to get mentioned in case they skewer the deal. A friend of mine has over 300 multi-tracks of classics from the 70's and 80's most of which are on major labels, which makes me think that previous reissues of these tunes have probably come from mixed-down 1/4 inch production masters. Many multi-tracks were disposed of in the late 80's when companies started digitising their catalogues and before the companies knew that there would be a boom in re-issues. Also it's amazing how many companies simply didn't want to retrieve their masters from studios when the studio closed down so often the studios would just dump 'em because they were too expensive to ship or store! Philadelphia International kept all their masters but they're one of the few!
Ian D
Here's a shocking story for ya Ian. Met Bobby Massey a few years ago, he had just moved back to Cleveland from Atlanta.He had moved some of his stuff down there which was stored in a basement. The basement got flooded and everything destroyed and throw in dumpsters. So he thought lets make a clean start, sell up and head home and get to work on some of his old Cleveland material Way Out, Saru, O'Jays, Daywood etc recordings. When he gets back to Cleveland the studio has changed hands, where he had all his masters stored and the new owners had thrown them all in a dumpster. He was heart broken, when I meet him he was in the process of setting up a new community studio.
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Master tapes are becoming increasingly more difficult and more expensive to work with. Most U.S. companies view master tape retreival as a pain in the ass and a low profit centre, so they try and charge you the earth. Also there's no money in deep catalogue releases unless you're a specialist like Ace/Kent or Numero, so most companies don't have access to original master tapes as no one wants to spend the money on retreiving them and baking them (most 70's master tapes now need to be baked in an oven in order to use them).
It drives me mad as I would make access to master tapes a condition of the deal, but often the repertoire owners just can't be arsed to deal with digging the masters out of a storage facility in Encino or New Jersey. Nuts I know but that's how it is these days.
There is actually a sort-of underground network of people who get access to some masters and this is one of the areas which is interesting at the moment. Some of the greatest masters ever recorded are in private collections and not even available to the companies who actually own them.
Ian D
Hi Ian
The number of times I've gone into an old out building, barn etc and found master tapes under piles of dried leaves, dead rats or the roof has been leaking in on them for over 30 years, shocking. But as you say owners don't care.
Dave
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Not sure how you link to previous theads...
from Rob Moss 19.02.10
"Popcorn told me that a guy came to him with a singer he wanted recording. Thought he was a barber and seemed to think the guy's name was Geneboro"
and from Dave Thorley also 19.02.10
"Popcorn told me that it was a contract job. She came in wanting to put a record out, paid Richard whatever, he recorded her, arranged pressing and handed them over to her. As far as he was concerned that was the end of the story.
Took him a while to remember the record when he was first asked about it. Producers like him would work on their own material for their own labels or the label they were signed to at the time and also do contract jobs. So Richards name does pop up on a few Detroit things where his involvement may have been little.
Normally when you see executive producer on a label, the chances of them being at the studio when the track was cut is only 50/50"
Yep was his barber who was called Greenbro or a version of that. Andy Rix spoke to Margret a while back don't think she had a copy of the record. I spent a number of years trying to find the barber in question, but after Richard has passed. So asked his daughters and friends who this could have been, but with no luck. All I found out was he was based somewhere on the west side of the city, but that's a mighty big area...
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Anthony White - Hey baby - PIR Demo £80 +P&P (Mint)
All time classic, grab yourself an original white demo
Kenny Hamber - Never found a girl - Pes £45 +P&P (Mint)
Great modern version of this soul classic, hard to find 45
Eric Lomax - Seven The Loser - Columbia Demo £175 +P&P (Stone Mint)
Massive re-activated tune
Na Allen - Love don't come easy/Hard to do without you - Pedestal £15 +P&P (Mint)
Denise LaSalle's brother on this oh so soulful crossover 2 sider, recorded in Detroit when he was married to Vee Allen
Nathan Bartell - I want your love - Eureka £30 +P&P (Mint)
Hard to find modern soul winner from the man
Odds & Ends Yesterday my love - Today Demo £15 +P&P (Mint-)
Oh so pretty Bobby Martin & Thom Bell produced female group crossover
Non-Stop - Say you love me - Frank Vincent £75 +P&P (Mint-)
Oh so soulful modern soul duet
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Andrew Brown - If we try - 4 Brothers £20 +P&P (Mint)
Nice midtempo 60's R&B dancer
https://youtu.be/eMzvL9sghuw
Jackie Beavers - Hold on - Sound Stage 7 £15 +P&P (Mint)
Drivin' classic 60's dancer
https://youtu.be/2lL5rpUHRnk
Antonio - Don't you want my love - Waylo £25 +P&P (Mint)
One of the hardest to find on the label, sweet modern soul winner
https://youtu.be/aha0c7cfzyQ
Ann Perry - That's the way he is - Theoda (884) £25 +P&P (mint)
Now hard to find Legal second pressing on later number, pressed by Theoda Moore. Classic dancer written by Melvin Davis. As pictured below !!!!
https://youtu.be/ujX29eFml4s