Tommy1

Does anyone know anything about this band? Band memebers? pictures?

7 hours ago, The Yank said:

I would go with 1968 but I'm not 100% positive.

  If you look at the bottom of the label of the E.J. release (Dec. 1967) it says "Riley Productions-12328 Dexter, Detroit, Michigan 48206. A later release from August, 1968 also has the Riley Productions..... info. "This Generation" just uses  the Dexter Street address. There may be another reason why this info is on some late '67/ early '68 releases. This coupled with a random release numbering system makes it very hard to be sure. 

 

I see. Thanks a lot for your help!

1 hour ago, The Yank said:

I think 1967 or 1968 is more likely.

Diamond Jim's release #'s are erratic to say the least. While #1000 is from 1966 -it''s got the Linwood address at the bottom. By the time of E.J. and the Echoes release (late 1967) the company was using the Dexter street address which is what "This Generation" uses.  So late 1967 or 1968 seems make more sense.

 

 

Thanks! That's what I though too cos of the lyrics. His worries of the generation: “Lord, help this generation/ Help them love one another, Lord, and understand/ You know this generation, is getting out of hand”, could of course refer to the riots in Watts, but if it's late 1967 it could be Detroit, or if it's late 1968, it could be riots after the killing of Martin Luther King.  
I'm gonna use this in a book. Is there a way to be 100% sure? 

33 minutes ago, Geoff B said:

According to Dave Rimmer's website  (Soulfulkindamusic) 1966

I saw that, 45cat.com also says 1966, so maybe it is? 

Does anyone have the correct release year for this? 

Can someone help me with a readable picture of the info-side (the cover) of Final Decisions “I Feel No Pain” on Hayley records?

Can't find any info on this obscure band. Seems like just this 45 (plus UK release). Does anyone know anything about them? All info appreciated!

On 11/06/2023 at 15:28, Kesalocasoul said:

You might like to read this article about Moses Dillard, which appeared in Blues and Soul #160 (May 1975).  Moses was also politically active, so it runs in the family. (I'd forgotten that Joshua Dillard was a fictional brother; he was actually a Mr James Moore.)

 

Thanks a lot mate!

8 minutes ago, Kesalocasoul said:

Why not contact daughter Chandra Dillard, who is a South Carolina State Representative.  A busy lady I'm sure, but she will be pleased to read of your (our) interest in her father's work (see link).

https://www.localmusicscenesc.com/moses-dillard

By the way what an interesting album "Now!" is.  Way ahead of its time when released in 1969.

 

Thanks a lot for the tip, I will do that!

Anyone up for the first part? 
I'm gonna use the lyrics in a book I'm writing. 

16 minutes ago, Roburt said:

From my above posting, I'd add a comment. . . $4000 for working on the Getto Kitty session seems a lot, even if Weldon was paid the whole sum to cover both him & his band members playing on the session, him arranging & producing it too. $4000 would seem to me to cover a long studio session -- much longer than would be needed to just cut 2 tracks. Weldon & his guys were accomplished live / studio guys & experienced in studio work. So they would have come prepared & would have glided through each track quite quickly (IMO). Now Getto Kitty was probably in the studio for the 1st time, so might have had nerves, maybe not being a great singer anyway -- so maybe she needed 4 / 5 attempts at each song to get a usable take. My GUESS would be though that more than 2 tracks were laid down at the session & that Andy Stroud would have been provided with a master tape containing 4 (or more) finished cuts.

What would have happened to that master tape after 72/73 is anyone's guess. 

I agree, it seems a lot! And your guess on more tracks is exciting. 

1 hour ago, Kesalocasoul said:

Is the second part " Let us not get too convivial"?

Yes! 👍
But the first part is really hard!

40 minutes ago, Roburt said:

Coz Weldon Irvine was a famous jazz keyboard player & coz he'd written "Young, Gifted & Black" for Nina, they've made a documentary about him. This goes into all aspects of his life (which it seems was quite tragic) and the show uses lots of old clips & old paperwork ... this seems pretty conclusive to me ...   Weldon's earnings in 1972 ... 

It IMPLIES (to me at least) that Getto Kitty was (MAYBE) a singer who Andy Stroud signed to STROUD and who Weldon & his band were paid $4000 to work with.

Musicians were always paid for their studio work (playing, arranging, producing) even if the artist themselves was often not. So it seems Weldon (& his guys) were paid $4000 to play on the Getto Kitty session. The $1100 from 'Nina Simone' was probably royalties for past songwriting / performance duties paid out on Nina's RCA tracks that were still selling.

 

Impressive, thanks again Roburt!

Did Getto Kitty ever release anything else under that name? 

10 minutes ago, The Yank said:

"Stand Up And Be Counted" did get some airplay on WLIB in New York. This survey is from Feb.9- Feb. 15 of 1973. See #10 under Boss Bubblers- 

 

What do you think is the correct release year for this? It was copyrighted December 29, 1972, but Cash Box, and this survey don't mentioned it before early 1973.

This is what I've found on the Stroud label in music magazines: 

Cash Box, Dec, 23, 1972: "Andy Stroud has formed a new record company and announced that his first release on Stroud Records is an LP, "Nina Simone Sings Billie Holiday". The LP features Holiday classics from the Motown film, "The Lady Sings The Blues""
 

Cash Box , Jan, 27, 1973: "Andy (Andrew) Stroud has entered the R & B' field with the formation of his own label, "Stroud". The first single release is, "Stand Up And Be Counted" performed by "Getto Kitty"."

Also Cash Box, Dec, 30, 1972:
 

Thanks a lot Roburt  👍 I really appreciate it!

This is what I love with Soul-Source!

Has anyone got some info on this band? I know it’s the first single release on the label started by Andy (Andrew) Stroud in 1972. Could it be session musicians used just for this record, named after “Getto kitty productions”?

13 hours ago, Simon T said:

no idea

hope this helps (left the silences to help with reverence points)

 

 

 

Thanks a lot Simon!
That made it much clearer, but still hard to get the first part. 

Hoping "Feebasing" is the right place for this question. 

I need some help with the lyrics of Moses Dillard & The Text Town Dispaly "We Gotta Come Together". What is he singing here (from 1:32). 
“Talking bout some of us…??...??..??/ Let us not..??.., we got a long way to go”
All help is appreciated! 🙏

6 hours ago, The Yank said:

I would think the Diamond Jim single came out around the same time this came out. The article is from the January 28,1967 issue of Record World- 

Thanks a lot!

Both Discogs and 45cat has "Shuffle with Ali" as a 1966 release. But you might be right that it came out early 1967. Muhammad Ali introduced the "Ali shuffle" against Cleveland Williams  in November 14. 1966. It is possible to get it out before 1967, but it bit short time? 

4 hours ago, Kenb said:

@Tommy1

I can tell you a bit about the Shuffle with Ali 45.

Jim Riley visited Ali at his hotel suite after the fight with Ernie Terrell in 1967...and took with him the pressing of "Shuffle with Ali". Tucker is Jimmy Tucker. Ali made no money (his religion didn't/doesn't allow it) so it went into the collection plate.

So not only was it a fist fight, it was a song writer fight too, with Terrell's "A Hammer & a Nail" (with the Heavyweights).

And, if you know: When was the "Shuffle with Ali" 45 made, and did Ali go to the studio to record the intro and outro? 
 

2 hours ago, Kenb said:

@Tommy1

I can tell you a bit about the Shuffle with Ali 45.

Jim Riley visited Ali at his hotel suite after the fight with Ernie Terrell in 1967...and took with him the pressing of "Shuffle with Ali". Tucker is Jimmy Tucker. Ali made no money (his religion didn't/doesn't allow it) so it went into the collection plate.

So not only was it a fist fight, it was a song writer fight too, with Terrell's "A Hammer & a Nail" (with the Heavyweights).

Thanks a lot Kenb! Where did you find/ get this story? 

All help appreciated! 
1. Who was Laytonya Ali? And did she ever release the upcoming album "Ali's Greatest Return"?

2. What is the story behind this Detroit 45? It is credited both Ali and Tucker. Was it released just after Muhammad Ali introduced the "Ali shuffle" against Cleveland Williams  in November 1966? 

20 minutes ago, The Yank said:

I'd say "Right On, Right On" came out first on Double Soul and then got picked up by Westbound. It's hard to see but on this survey from April 12th the single is at #12 which means it had to be out for awhile and the title of the song has no mention of "... (Sex Machine)"

 

 

 

That's what I thought too. Thanks for info!