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This subject has been raised on another forum.. EMI released the album " Miracles from the beginning " onTamla Motown TML11031. On the album, a track listed as " Mama done told me" (a genuine Miracles recording) was somehow incorrectly replaced with a track that it is believed to be " Come on "by Herman Willis on B& C label. I cannot see any Motown connection. Does anybody know the story behind this glaring error?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/obituaries/2022/9/12/23349965/ramsey-lewis-dead-jazz-obituary-music-the-in-crowd-chicago Aplogies for my error when typing Lewis. My favourite of his many great tracks.

From there it became Tamla-Motown on adverts, promotions. Motown Publicist Al Abrams ran a publicity stunt on Tommy Good in July 1964. It refers to " Hitsville USA, offices of Tamla-Motown Recording Corporatio n". See Al Abrams book Hype& Soul. You can see the progression. Hence The Tamla- Motown Appreciation Society made perfect sense, and as a label in 1965 to combine the various USA labels. ( Which is thought to be Dave Godin's idea).

Made so many fine tunes

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unsupervised access to Studio A...sorry it's not too clear

Pat Lewis taking my Golden World shirt, and going to show it to George Clinton who passing through Detroit. Pat invited us to his (Birthday??) party, but we couln't make it.

Dr Stewart and Beans Bowles

Information on Museum Curator https://m.facebook.com/nt/screen/?params={"note_id"%3A10160687235258289}&path=%2Fnotes%2Fnote%2F&refsrc=deprecated&_rdr

Thanks for that information David. I know ,and this article mentions, that 2646 is now used for entrance. When I went in 1994, we entered 2648. I'm not sure when it changed, but I'm glad that that was the situation we found ourselves in...seemed right. From what I was told, it was Esther who looked after 2648 and the rest, with little interest from Berry. A DJ/collector of this parish, who I was in contact with, explained to me that 2648 was basically LP sleeves stapled to the wall....not much more in type of Musuem type memrobilia in a professional way. I've seen photos of memrobilia in there.....perhaps the new make over set all the artefacts into some kind of order. When I went, there had been a proper Musuem makeover, with Dr. Rowena Stewart in charge. Ron Swope who we met, was in charge of the operation ( I think that was the case). 2648/46 now had pastel shaded rooms, with various themes, pictures, 45s, LPs sleeves , costumes etc. A video show. We were invited to the opening of a Jazz Historical Society, a number of Motown related Detroiters there. DR.Stewart may have been there. Ps. I have a photograph if Bean Bowles with a lady at the Jazz event. I'm 90% certain it was Musuem Arranger Dr. Stewart

2646 then?

A museum in the adjoing buildings might have been suitable, but 2648/50 should have been left as they were. But they have gone down the tourist road. When I visited, I had a difficult time going through the Airport Border checks, with a very UNfriendly official who wanted to know why I had travelled "all this way to see that little house". I told her it was like visiting Graceland. She looked at me as though she was going to have arrested.

Our trip to Detroit came about after Martha Reeves handed ny friend her business card, saying that we should contact her if we ever made the trip to Motown. So we got it together and went, but Martha initially could not meet us as she had to fly to LA to attend the funeral of Mary Wilson's son . Martha returned to Detroit, sent her driver to pick us up, and we accompanied her ( via a drive -in hamburger joint in her limo)as she ran a local talent/amatuer night ( which ended up with both of us singing with local kids and Martha on stage) She was to take us on a tour to Hitsville but got sidetracked by a radio station, so it never happened.

When I went, my friend and I, on 3 seperate visits, were allowed into Studio A, with no official / guide present. We took 'mock' photos of ourselves sitting at the piano, behind the drum baffle, playing vibes, adjusting sound monitors etc. Nobody stopped us....let us play around for a long time, un-supervised I seriously doubt that you get anywhere near that kind of interaction now.

Last try. 1.above articles suggest that EMI used Tamla Motown , having been invented by Dave Godin for new UK label.in 1965 2. As early as 1963 , in the USA, the term " Tamla- Motown" was being used in trade magazine adverts. Somebody, possibly Godin , suggested that the term "Tamla Motown" would be suitable. I never suggested there was a USA TM label at all.

Where do I imply a label?....the term .

I never said as a label....just that the idea that the term "Tamla Motown"was invented for EMI by Godin was incorrect.

Have a look at the above post by the Yank from 2018. It shows a 1963 Billboard article saying that Tamla-Motown was going global.

Ok...I'll try again. The above articles suggest that the USA Motown labels were 'merged' into an EMI brand name, invented by Dave Godin. However, Tamla-Motown ( with hyphen), was being used in the USA BEFORE 1965 and the new UK label.

I know that...what is your point?

I think the term "Tamla-Motown" was used in the USA before EMI launched the UK label( see USA trade adverts), so not sure that the above suggestion that Dave Godin invented it is correct

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I agree. I visited in the early 90s. This new Disney Makeover will ruin the magic .