boba

i can play you 100% country and 80s heavy metal records that i have been sold as soul. i actually have a stack of them probably a foot high now. i don't even deal with returning them or say anything to the seller if they are like $10 records. They are all ungoogleable private label things. And the gamble usually works in my favor.

and just to clarify, these aren't sellers who know anything about any soul scene, they are people who know zero about soul music and put everything there because they are greedy

Well that really is a matter of subjective argument. We all know there are shed loads of records out there which are not 'soul' but which get played as such on the many 'soul' scenes around the globe. Frankly, there are many many records played on soul scenes which would never stand up to being called soul, but they are.

i can play you 100% country and 80s heavy metal records that i have been sold as soul. i actually have a stack of them probably a foot high now. i don't even deal with returning them or say anything to the seller if they are like $10 records. They are all ungoogleable private label things. And the gamble usually works in my favor.

Also, trolling or not, I wouldn't put all this out there Benji if you sell records and believe or don't believe all the things you're saying

Bob, you returned a record listed in "soul" because to you it wasn't soul? Not sure it's the seller acting like a dick. If you had tried that on me I'd block you straight away.

maybe you should pre-block me if you think it's acceptable to describe a country record as soul

edit: this thread is stupid at this point, i think you're trolling me and if not, who cares

Also, I always get burned by sellers listing garbage pop/country/heavy metal records as soul. I do due diligence with any record I don't know -- google, etc. I was pissed recently because I had to argue with a seller who had a satisfaction guarantee wanting to refuse my return because the record was "not soul" because they said my reason was totally ridiculous. They also pointed me to a popsike auction that listed it as soul. I was very angry, and I would have gotten my money back via paypal anyways, but eventually I got them to refund on return. To them a popsike auction "proved" that it was a soul record. In the end they didn't benefit from acting like a dick.

The Listing Says " Return if Not Satisfied" Rods Not Satisfied , So i Can't see what Seller Gripe is?? ... Paul

exactly. it should say "returns accepted only if seller deems buyer to have an acceptable reason and that they did not misunderstand my description" if that's the actual return policy. if that's your attitude as a seller, put it out there.

Bob, that's just bullshit (excuse the pun). You're referring to description of condition. And that should be as clearly as possible of course. Rod made a wrong assumption, period.

I was giving an extreme example to make the point that there is a less extreme gray ground. I actually have a less extreme example from another message board -- the seller had like a 2 line auction with a photo that had a grade of the cover and record. The buyer was mad that the stock inner sleeve had writing on it and the seller said they never guaranteed or stated the condition of the inner sleeve (you could see it in the background of the photo, that there was an inner sleeve though). How clear is that case?

Also, if someone has a satisfaction guarantee, it shouldn't be a lie, otherwise make your actual guarantee (with crazy restocking fees, etc.) explicit. When you sell, put some bold text at the bottom about how you won't take items back for things you deem to be buyers mistakes (instead of "100% satisfaction guarantee") and see how excited people are to buy from you.

Do you also not state that the b-side is covered in feces? What is the dividing line where something has to be disclosed vs. not disclosed? Clearly the seller wasn't trying to misrepresent the item but rod also did reasonable due diligence as a buyer, he wasn't some idiot who bought a record he didn't like and decided to return it. It's a blurry line where the buyer should be able to return the item.

Any reasonable seller should take a record for almost any reason. I always take records back (happened a few times) and never felt a buyer was trying to get over on me. I treat people with the same respect I would expect as a buyer. If I learn a buyer is shady it's on them and I can eventually decide to deal or not deal with them. I haven't sold as many records as many people on here so maybe something changes when you sell many more records, but I believe reasonable customer service leads to good customers. If you take a record back, it's not like you're really out that much as a seller, you're (mostly) back to the same position you started with. If the customer can't return a record they're left in a position where they paid for something they didn't want and have a negative opinion of the seller.

Additionally, if the seller had a "100% satisfaction policy", that should be more than just words. I think if a seller made their return policy more explicit and wanted to not take items back in cases like these, they would have much fewer customers and people would think their auctions look super anti-customer. You would look like this guy, who I have never dealt with for obvious reasons:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LAMONT-DOZIER-CANT-GET-OFF-UNTIL-THE-FEELING-STOPS-1976-ORIGINAL-WB-DJ-45-/251217117436?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3a7db500fc

I gotta say, I respect him for being honest with all his policies at least.

Are the misspelling of Barbara Lynn's name, the publishing company, and the claim that that record kicks owns the song copyright intentional? What about the name of the flipside artist, "Susan Cadogan & the Crabs Corporation"?

i agree it clearly doesn't matter and i buy a lot of records on ebay, i also eat so much seller BS and misgraded records, poorly packed broken records, etc. At this point if the record is under $15 and arrives cracked due to poor packaging i throw it away and don't leave feedback or contact the seller. i don't want the seller to block me because if they do the next day they're going to have my holy grail 45 up. i'm actually not sure why rod posted actually, it did seem like a fairly minor thing.

i was just making a specific comment about flaunting 100% feedback to an unsatisfied buyer.

Extremely harsh view given that the seller has acted honourably and (IMHO) beyond what they were obliged to do. Far from being stupid, I think this seller should be thanked for being so flexible and accomodating.

am I misreading the thread? rod said he had to argue with him to get him to take a return despite his 100% satisfaction return guarantee. That doesn't sound honorable to me. Either way, I don't care or know this seller, but my statement is true -- it is stupid to constantly point out your 100% feedback (not that that even means much) to someone who has the power to ruin that. How is that not stupid? That's like telling someone with a gun in front of you to not shoot you because you've never been shot before.

if someone has a problem with something i send them i refund their money and shipping when they send it back and don't argue with them. maybe every seller doesn't have to do that but they also shouldn't put anything about a 100% satisfaction return guarantee if they don't intend to.

I hope you sent it back with a tracking number so that you can use that for a paypal claim if you have to resort to that.

It's pretty stupid of the seller to keep bragging about having 100% positive, it's an invitation for you to leave him a negative an low DSRs.

the reason the stock was warped as that down to earth abandoned it when it shut down and left everything outside, and it was "rescued" by OOTP

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but i think johnny mae matthews kids were in black nasty

Monday was Martin Luther King day. I can think of some more topical records for that...

Mother was JMM, Black nasty was I believe a son and daughter

it was more than a son and daughter but the band contained a son and daughter of JMM. what was funny was that the last name that the group had throughout its career was the "General Assistance and the ADC Band". Apparently ADC stood for "Aid for Dependent Children".

Hi, welcome to my latest Sitting in the Park Show. Yesterday I did a show attempting to honor Martin Luther King and recently deceased Chicago / Atlanta singer Liz Lands. I also played some nice 60s female sweet soul and late 70s male group sweet soul. You can listen to the show online at:

https://www.sittinginthepark.com/1-20-2013.mp3

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Playlist follows and thanks for your interest.

Martin Luther King - I have a dream (excerpt) - Gordy

Liz Lands - Midnight Johnny - Gordy

Daylighters - Sweeter - Tip Top

Confessions - Things are not the same - Down

Micky Wood - Please Mr. Kennedy - Tamla

Adorables - Ooh boy - Golden World

Maxine Brown - Let me give you my lovin’ - Wand

Lollipops - Cheating is telling on you - VIP

Tambi Garrett - Leave a little love - Ascot

Ramona King - Oriental Garden - Eden

Liz Lands - Don’t shut me out - One-Der-Ful

Vickie Baines - Sweeter than sweet things - Loma

Linda Foreman - Let’s get it together - Public

Gina Hill - Let me solve this problem - Jill

Village Callers - When you’re gone - Rampart

Septimus - We want a piece of the pie - The Chosen Few

The Reason Why - So long letter (in a picture frame) - Polydor

Sweet Charles - Give the woman a chance - People

Infernal Blues Machine - Ain’t that love - London

Charlie Mitchell - After hours - Janus

Controllers - Distant Lover - CMP

New York City - Don’t rush me now - Br-roma

thanks,

Bob

I haven't seen one for sale for years so it's hard to tell what it would sell for now. You might do okay putting it on ebay, this month stuff has started to go really high for some reason.

so you posted asking about a totally random record fishing for a high price without a buyer so you could get a post quoting a high price for sales? or someone is asking you about it and you're fishing for a high price to sell to them? without an interested party it's kind of weird.

hard to say, this is a rare record but not really in demand

I deleted your post. Please post any sales posts in the Sales section. Thank you.

just don't buy from shuga

i would have been able to get a box of these a long time ago but at the time i wouldn't have been able to do anything with it... this is a Gary, IN record

I can definitely fix any skip without screwing up your record, even a gouge parallel to the grooves. re: pete's comment you could use a scalpel to fix a skip but it's much bigger than the width of a groove and it's hit or miss and the fix will be visible. you also can't see the groove with an eye, you can see sort of where the skip is, but you need a microscope or high power magnifier to actually see the grooves. pm me.